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All right.

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All right. So the date is it is March 9th.

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March 9th.

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2023.

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And this is called Hero or Dick. Broadcasting live from Horse Frother Studio.

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That's right. That's right. In beautiful Alpina, Michigan.

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With Kate and Kick.

unknown 0:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

If we had one more, we'd be KKK. Yeah. I'd be wrong. So 2Ks could be good.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Well, who knows? KKK, we might get better ratings. Some listenings.

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So, hero or dick, the first person we're going to talk about is Ben Franklin.

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Well, you better explain your uh reasoning behind this game.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Well, hero or dick, I think is I think it's pretty self-explanatory, and I think most people are or are not either a hero or dick. I think some stuff they do is heroic or good, and some stuff everybody does dick moves from time to time. I mean, we're human. Yeah. However, overall, when you look at people from history, and uh mostly a lot of people who get the good press and the get the the you know, you only hear the good about them. So can they really be that good? You're gonna tell me they never did anything bad. No. I mean, there's so many instances where people who got a good reputation are really awful people, right? And vice versa, too. Vice versa. And and so the first person, Ben Franklin, that we decided to talk about, I think I found out. Well, I won't tell you overall until we're all done. Well, you could, but well, I gotta leave you hanging.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Yeah, I don't know. I like when I was reading about him and watching videos and all that, and I I should have rushed up more before we did this, but I get I'm skeptical when you always hear all good stuff. You know what I mean? Like exactly it's like, oh, Ben Franklin. He's gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Oh yeah, Ben Franklin. Everybody loves him. Uh huh. He's the best. And he's a great person in that his mind is very inventive. I mean, that's the least you could very say about him. This guy thought up some of our best inventions.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Did he? That's what see that's what I kept thinking. Or did he rip them off the people? Oh, I don't know. I don't know either. I'm just saying, it's just like, how does a fucking guy have that much time? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Well, it was before cable, before internet, before you know, they're just sitting around at night. You don't even have, you might have a candle, you might not.

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So when it's dark in his house, he's inventing electricity.

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It's just like, how can I make it light in here?

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Complaining because we can't get on the internet in two seconds.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Yeah. Um and and there is something to be said for people who maybe it isn't your idea, but you heard of an idea and you know how to make it work. Because there's plenty of instances like that too.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Oh yeah. Companies do that now, right? Ripping off people's ideas or taking it to the next level.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Right. Or saying they're well, we're paying you to work and you're using your brain while you're working, so it's kind of our idea.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Yeah. So we what do they do? They patent someone's idea if you are in the past.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

I don't know. Does that still happen a lot? I mean, I know it did in local companies, you know. Right. Um I'm assuming and larger ones too. I don't even know. I don't know if it still happens or not. I don't know. Nobody has any ideas anymore.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Ben Franklin liked it. No, but I was talking to Brooke about that. And listener, my the Brooke lady is my wife. I'm sure you'll learn more about her and her sainthood. I'm surprised Ben Franklin wasn't a saint. Was he?

SPEAKER_00 3:55

I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

What is it? France. They could have made him a saint. They loved him.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

Well, they did love him in France. He's big overseas.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Yeah. I was telling her, I'm like, man, I feel kind of guilty that I'm not doing enough in my life after reading about this guy.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Um, yeah, I agree. Um he did do a lot.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

He did. He did a lot. I mean, just my short list is he was a writer, a scientist, inventor, a statesman, a diplomat, a printer, a publisher, uh ambassador. He was ambassador to France to France.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

So, you know, that checks a lot.

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He uh, the writing thing, um, did you know? Did you come across the part where he pretended to be a widow and was writing letters to his brothers, uh, the New England current.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

And so he was pretty young when he was doing that. But even that, that's kind of that's using your brain.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

15 years old. Yep. Um, I thought that was neat. He was called what Silence Doogood was the name.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Oh, fate and identity when his brother rejected him as a writer.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

He wrote as the widow named, yeah, Silence Doogood. Okay, he wasn't very inventive in that name.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

But that's funny.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

I'm gonna write under the name of Widow Ben Franklin.

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Yeah. 14 essays, supposedly.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

And he did become very popular, popular enough that uh Ms. Doogood started getting some marriage proposals. I think that freaked him out and he stopped doing it.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

That's really freaked out. I mean, I guess you love the person inside. And they didn't even know what he or she looked like, and so and that's when you could have a pen pal and sure and and get to know them that way through their writing.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

People don't do that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

No, no. Well, it's like that show I was telling you about about a while back, Love is Blind, where they stick those people in the pods they don't see each other. And they don't see each other, and then they fall in love with a person and they never see them until the end when they after they propose to him. So Ben Franklin was kind of in that situation.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Except he was not seeking it, though. Yeah, he didn't sign up for it.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

But that's when people did write and write to each other, and he did write a lot of letters to people he probably should have, to his wife and his well, sometimes his kids, and to many a widow. He's kind of horror, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_01 6:26

He was a whore. Um that's something well and a lot of those fellows were were.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

You know, he was like rock star popular.

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Right.

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And you look at the pictures of him, even the pictures that even if they're wrong, even if they're not um exactly right.

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He's not an attractive man.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

He's not an attractive man. So his writing is very attractive. He his words must be very attractive because it's not like he's hot like Thomas Jefferson or somebody.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Was Thomas Jefferson hot?

SPEAKER_00 6:59

I don't know. I was just thinking of people on money. He's hotter than Abraham Lincoln.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yeah. Big guy though.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

He was well, he was tall, but yeah. You know, that'll be another that's all he's got. Yeah, he he would be a great, great subject.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Did you know uh the writing thing? His autobiography was published in France first, in French, before it was uh translated to English.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Really?

SPEAKER_01 7:29

That's what they say.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

And so I guess I didn't get all my sources. Did I didn't cite any. I cited one just because I yeah, if we need it, I can go back. Um so did people snap it up? Did they buy it?

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Oh yeah. It was a big deal. But uh there was a different one that made me chuckle because it was something I think my dad would write. It was an essay called Fart Proudly.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

It was kind of like he liked the fart humor. Dad humor. Dad humor, he did. So and he was a dad, but um sometimes not very good one, it sounds like. But yeah, he did like the dad humor.

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Yep.

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So is that a guy thing or what?

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The fart stuff?

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Well, I think that the maybe it's just a dad thing. Once you become a dad, you you know you like those farty jokes. Uh no, no. See, I've gotta say no. Damn, I thought so. Not always, no, not always.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Oh, no wonder my wife doesn't always laugh. She's not real happy with the belching lately either. Something going on, man. Burping a lot. Okay. Off topic there. Off topic, which I promise that. I'm sure Ben Franklin burped.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

If he was drinking beer, which he did love the beer. Did he invent beer? No. I mean, somebody else invented. Something about beer, though, wasn't it? But he did something with beer, and I I didn't glasses for sure.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

The singing glasses.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Yeah, he actually invented a machine. Yeah, uh, like uh that played the glasses, right?

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Like uh, yeah, what was it called? Uh um I chatted it down somewhere.

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But I just thought that was pretty fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

Me, they said he may, well, my source said he may be invented, but definitely perfected. So, okay. Taking an idea and perfecting the glass harmonica. That's what it was. And his design was so unique that Beethoven, Strauss, and Mozart composed pieces for it. It's like calling, here's this instrument and the Rolling Stones and the Beatles and you know, you two say, Oh my god, I love your new equipment. I'm gonna write a song.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Yeah. No wonder he was that's why he got a lot of tail, I guess, eh? He was kind of musical. How many kids? 15 kids, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Holy sh- No, I didn't write that down.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Yeah, I have here my notes says he was a man whore. He's a man whore. 15 kids. Love the casual sex, lots of mistresses, and he wrote an essay on it about how to go for older women.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

He loved the older women, which that makes me love him. There you go. The older I am, the older, you know. The more you are to Ben Franklin. Yes. I'm probably still younger than him. He was pretty old when he died, too.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Was he? I didn't even get that.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Um, I don't know exactly. We'd have to Google that. But I didn't realize he had 15 kids. What I did my takeaway from his kids was after uh so his son William, will which was a legitimate kid with his wife, um after American Revolution stuff was, you know, kind of done, at least the declaration and constitution and treaty um of alliance with France, which he signed all those, the biggies, he got his signature and on those. I can't tell you what his signature looks like though. You know, some of them are so famous you you know, but I don't know his. Anyway, he kind of disowned his son because his son didn't believe what he did.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Really?

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Why didn't he believe it?

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Uh, I don't know. That would be a good question for William, not Benjamin.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

We have to look into that, but he stayed true to England, and Ben was like, no, that's not what I believe, and William was like, hey, I'm my own guy. And so he stayed in England.

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I did not know.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

But that was only one of his kids, that was William.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Yeah. Who knows what the other four team was?

SPEAKER_00 11:36

Well, yeah, so he must have a ton of descendants.

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I better better do that. We better chat.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Yeah, which one of us could be a descendant of that channel, Franklin.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

23andme? Which one is it? I don't remember. I don't know. I keep two things. I get 23andMe, and then that one where you poop in a box.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

But I don't think that's asking me.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Okay. That's not to do with my deal. Never mind. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Ancestry.com is not gonna like it if you send him a box of poop. Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Oh, I do I do see where I rule uh Ben Franklin has at least one illegitimate son, maybe more, up to 15.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

See, look at that. What I want to know is who are all these women?

SPEAKER_00 12:25

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

And but you know what? They're fame junkies probably chasing them. Like they do rock stuff.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

No, they're groupies. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So in France alone, you know, he got invited to the higher the higher-ups parties. So, you know, he probably those people were all deprived. Who do we have now that's a Ben Franklin?

SPEAKER_01 12:44

Probably like a Elon Musk.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Uh oh God, I don't like him though.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

You don't like him?

SPEAKER_00 12:49

I don't.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Um, but I don't know that I like Ben Franklin either, so.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

I mean, I got nothing against him, especially not if I'm an ancestor of his.

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Right.

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But um, I think uh, you know, he was definitely smart and inventive, I mean, in all senses of the word. And I think he was a good diplomat. Um, you know, not just to the ladies, but to the dudes too. Um, I think that, you know, he um for his time he knew how to rack a crowd.

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Sure, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

And and that worked for him. I think he had some dick moves, but um, or I'm gonna give it away. Overall, I think he's a hero. I don't think he's a dick.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Do you have many dick moves? I didn't find any dick.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

I didn't. I had to really look for it. And one was that he's a man whore. Well, is that a dick move or is that just you know, a move that you can do? Right. Because you, you know, you're popular. And you're popular. I mean, who's to say that you so what if you like to have sex? Is that wrong?

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Right. But you know, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Some people would say so. Wait, who's his wife? Well, he did have a wife, but you know, his wife must have known.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

And and the dick move the dick is to move, is that a term now? Uh, is that he tried to sleep with his friends, uh um, well, not even his wife. The one I showed was his mistress. And um also, this is kind of a is this is creepy to me. He seduced mother and daughter duos. I don't like that. That doesn't sit well with me.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

That's a whole that's a whole channel, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 14:42

But that seem like that seems too that's stepping too far there, Ben Franklin Horror.

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Deviant.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

Yeah. And who's he who's he meeting up with first? You know, is he using the mother to get to the daughter, or the daughter to get to the mother?

SPEAKER_01 14:56

See, that stuff I'm sure was there, but nobody reported it.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

And nobody wanted to know that. And that's that's okay. I mean, that kind of stuff we don't need to. What's the term now? The um the you know where you history is different, so people say you're changing it. Oh my gosh, I can't think of the term.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Oh, where we're rewriting.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Yes, we're rewriting history because now we read have learned we've learned it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

I can't think of the term.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

I can't think of it either.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

It'll come to me.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Wait. Wait, a term or a movement?

SPEAKER_00 15:34

It's uh both.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Like the critical race theory stuff? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

Yes, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

People don't like that.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

No, um, and I I think I mean some people like it. But some people like want to keep it as they know it.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Well, because you learned it that way, that doesn't make it true. That means you learned it one way. Right. Since then, you know, uh we've learned that the world is round, not flat. Right. When people learned about the world, it was flat until we knew otherwise. So you can't. I think you can change history. You're not changing history.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

No, you're changing your knowledge, you're changing what you know about it.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

But there's a whole level of fear that's people don't like to feel uncomfortable or that maybe they don't know everything that they thought they knew, I guess. It's kind of like when you're a kid and you loved your parents so much and you don't see any of their and then their dick moves. You're like, are they a hero or dick? Yeah, they're still your heroes, but man, they were dicks. They did some things they shouldn't have. They're human. They're human. Yeah. And that makes you love them even more.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

I think so. It depends on the parent, though. Not everybody agrees.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

No. But um like the ones that won't go to the parent teacher conferences tonight.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Well, that's you, though.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Yeah, that's true.

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Fucking.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

But no, I'm going tonight. I'm gonna ask about Ben Franklin.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Maybe they're maybe they'll ask that in the ask about quiz me? Quiz you, yeah, when you go to it.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

Um I fear he was a storm chaser.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Well, he did love a storm.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

He did land spouts, tornadoes.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

And so that's uh how he came up with uh the electricity, what he is so known for, you know, the kite experiment. And there is some question whether he really did a kite experiment.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Right. He got electrocuted a lot, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Well, then he probably was doing the kite experiment.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

He probably was electrocuted a lot. Yeah, or hanging around with the wives and the daughters and the husbands finding out.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Maybe that's why he was so attractive. He was electric.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

He could have been. Because he did coin the words battery charge and conductor. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_00 17:45

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Yep, that ties in with that, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

I really couldn't find oh, yeah, I have here. He was a fashion icon.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

He was very uh fashionable.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

People wore the white hats and the wigs. And the wigs pretend to be old Benny.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

And his little old glasses, too. I like the glasses. Which he did invent those too.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

That pair?

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Well glasses and I don't know if he invented wire frames.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

How could he invent all this shit?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

I don't know. But you know, you have to remember then, not a lot of stuff was invented. I guess. You know, it's not like today or even 50 years ago where it's like, I don't know, have we thought of everything? Not quite, but we still you know, wasn't that the the era of invention?

SPEAKER_01 18:31

No, yeah, I guess. It just seems I I'm giving a skeptic and I shouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

And even things that were known weren't documented. So he knows you could say you didn't. You could say you uh patented and more blocking. They needed one.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Blockchain. Oh so you can document every step. It's immutable proof that you can do that. Yes, and then you have proof. Or is it? No, you're the only person that put it on the blockchain. That doesn't mean you invented it. Same thing. That's true. Son of a bitch. There's no way. There's none. Just gotta do the poop test or put it. Send it in the box. I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

The other um thing that I did not know about him was um, well, a couple things. I did know this, I guess. He was self-taught in almost everything he knew, which I have to give a person credit for that, um, for being that curious, for being that um, um, for having the gumption to, you know, work on that curiosity. You know, a lot of people wonder about things and then they just that's where it ends. You know, they don't invent electricity to prove it. Well, you didn't invent electricity. I mean, it was always there.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Um you know, the post office, the thank you for this one. If nothing else, he invented the lending library.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

And I thank you, Ben Franklin. That right there gets you off the dick list for me. Because if we didn't have libraries, I wouldn't be a child. Right. True. Um, uh, but here's one I didn't know about him. Did you know this one? He was a very uh good, well, that's putting it lightly, chess player.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Yes, he was in the chess hall of fame.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Yes, okay. We must have looked at the same website for that one. Yeah, I took the first one that came up. He wrote he wrote the essay The Morals of Chess. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 20:37

I didn't see a chance.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Which helped popularize the sporting quote in the US. Really? So are kids overall or just Julia?

SPEAKER_01 20:48

I don't know, it might be just him.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

I think kid I think it ebbs and flows. I think, you know, there was a time when everybody I knew knew how to play chess and then nobody even knew.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Maybe he's not really into chess. He says he's into chess, and he's sitting in front of his computer when I go up there. I see a chess. I see the chessboard on the screen. But I wonder what's on the other screen.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Uh-huh. Here he comes.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

He's doing it.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

Oh, look at me playing chess.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

Some strategic moves, alright.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Look at me. Look playing chess.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

I hope he's playing chess. I hope he's playing chess. That would be something. No, I think he is. I forgot. I think one of his buddies.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

So is he playing against a person or something?

SPEAKER_01 21:26

And they were playing chess, and then now he's playing on the computer.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Which is a good way to learn, really.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

That's what he says.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

It is. It is, because you're not you're not dependent on somebody sitting on the other side. Although, with those chess games, along with um, I had a euchre one because I couldn't remember how to play Euchre, so I downloaded a game just so I, you know, I kind of got addicted to it too. It's like, yeah, I'm playing Euchre, look at me. And I'm not, I'm just, you know, it's telling me put the Nine of Hearts down.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

I like Euchre.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Uh well, Wednesday afternoons at Joe's. Or they play Euchre.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Do they?

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Mm-hmm. I haven't gone yet. So I thought I was gonna go this winter, but I haven't done it yet.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Winter's almost over.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

I know. I know. Yay.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Um swimming. The whole swimming thing.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Alright, I missed that one.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

He was like, yeah, he loves swimming. And he um supposedly created hand paddles for swimming. Um, so you could skim across the water and on if you float on something else. And he was also an honorary member of the swimming hall of fame. And I believe he invented some type of swim finance. I had that here somewhere. But yeah, that I guess swimming was one of his favorite things to do, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Well, he wasn't ashamed.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

He looked buoyant.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

He I was just gonna say he wasn't ashamed of his body at all.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

I mean naked in front of the window.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Good for you, Ben Frank. Did you know that? I did not know that. I don't know if that's something we need to see, but no. You know, that was good for that.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Yeah. The fresh air, sit in front of the window, air yourself out hang out with your wing out.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Maybe that's how he attracted the ladies. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

That's a good idea. Just sit in your window naked. Sooner or later, someone's gonna like it.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

I think that's Amsterdam.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Oh. Isn't that Did he invent Amsterdam?

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Well, I mean, he was probably there. He probably was.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

I wonder what he did. You know, I wonder how much illicit drug use took place back in the days.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

So did he take drugs? I don't know. He liked beer. He liked to drink. That's the gateway. Sure. So the gateway. Maybe then it was the gateway. It could have been. No, I think it was the I think you had to drink at least a low um a low volume beer because the water was crap. Sure. If you drink the water, you get diarrhea. I think people still tell themselves that. You know, they they have that low percentage of um table beer or table, yeah, table beer. That the kids have before they go to school. Because you can't give them you can't give them one.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

What school do you go to?

SPEAKER_00 24:01

That's a fun one.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

I guess so. Huh. That's why they don't go to parent-teacher conferences because of that.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Well, everybody has a low buzz all day. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Probably not. Probably not.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

No. Let me be maybe that's why he was so productive.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Look at everything he did because he had a low buzz going all day.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Yeah. No, you don't have any boundaries. No.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Nothing folding you back.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

What do they call it? Inhibitions.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Yeah. Sit naked in front of the window. Wouldn't I play my glass aromatica? You betcha. Give me another beer.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Cleaning the glasses he made. Flying a kite. But then, what about the bodies?

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I thought that was fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Before we end with the bodies, let me give him one more shout out.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

The poor almanacs. Poor Richards almanac.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

I mean, yeah. That was good too.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

But you know, the whole thing, like, you know, was Shakespeare one person. You know, they say sometimes maybe it was multiple people.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Right. So he is just the CEO. Yeah, it was a CEO.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

So maybe he had assistance and those bones.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

People don't bones can't talk. Here's what I think about the bones.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Um, you know, I think at that time, if you wanted to learn about anything uh about the body, yeah, you had to have a body because you didn't have pictures, you couldn't, you didn't have reference books, you didn't, you or maybe you did, but there were limits. And I think there were enough extra bodies or unclaimed bodies, and they were easy to get to. Like now you can't just go rob a grave. I mean, it's kind of hard. But then it wasn't that hard. So you could go, you know, hey, can you get me a body? I want to check out the kidney on this. You know, where does this go to? Let me look at the heart. Well, we need a body for that.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

And the guy, his friend was um what do they call it? A doctor of some type. And he used the basement as like a lab area in his house, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Right, right. And so it wasn't to have a lab in your basement? How much? I mean, to have your work, your you got the general sort of working above.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

I guess so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

Then I think, you know, there was it wasn't like you got up and went to the lab. You went up and went to the basement because kick aside a few bodies.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Well, yeah, and it said 1,200 bone fragments were found. Six of them were from kids. They were drilled and sawed.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

And you know, again, that's yes. In our day it sounds super creepy and wrong.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Is that why he was dating the mothers?

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Maybe he was dating the old ladies because he was offing them.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Yeah, and then getting the kids.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Well, I think they were grave workers.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

He was our first serial killer.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

You're billing that.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

I just thought that was fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

That is interesting, though. And I think uh, you know, in that day and age, the times were different.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

How many bones are underneath houses right now? You don't know.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Oh my gosh, there's gotta be tons of them, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Not not tons, but there's gotta be for every house that's say 50 plus years old, somebody died in it for sure. And maybe got buried in the yard. And maybe got buried in the yard.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Can't afford to go to the cemetery.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Right, right. And as far as kids go, you know, how many babies are born, still born, to people who can't afford to have them to buy a casket, to buy a plot, you know, or how many babies are semi-born, you know.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Sure. Or uh handicapped kids that they locked away.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Oh, oh, true. Very dark, but yeah. Oh, true.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

I was told that I have a very dark side. My wife just told me that. It took her 15 years to figure that out.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

It's too late now, baby.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

But it kind of wasn't she was like, you have a very dark side. Yeah. But I think it's nice to have a dark.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Well, I think it's a good balance.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Well, there's I think there's beauty in darkness, you know. This is kind of I don't know, it sounds weird.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Don't become a serial killer.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Oh no, I couldn't do that.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Unless it was like Dexter, maybe you know what? I I loved that show. However, that's a lot of work. Dexter is a full-time frickin' job.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Well, there's a lot of bad people.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

And he he loved it. He loved his job. But I mean, I'm too lazy. I would never do that.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

I'd get caught.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Yeah, oh yeah. Because there's no, I mean most people do. Yeah. Most people do. However, I was just reading about uh, because we're going to London, so I was just reading a lot of stuff, but um one was about uh Jack the Ripper. Never caught. Never caught. The only thing everybody can agree on is that he was probably, probably a man.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

And a doctor, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Uh not everybody agrees on that, but yeah. But yes, I think I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Or just so no, is he Ben Franklin's era? He might have been before him. I can't remember the exact dates. Yeah. Do you know when Ben Franklin was born? No, but if he was Well, 1776 he was signing some documents.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Yeah, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

And the other uh kind of bad thing was, I just turned the page here, was that he um, you know, he was ambassador to Great Britain, and he like had no clue that those colonists were unhappy. He's like, Ben, where you been?

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Ugh.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

That's fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

But he loved the crown, he loved the the regency of the crown. So he liked being that ambassador. I don't think he was a formal ambassador, but he didn't really pay attention to the colonists then. He was like kissing up to the crown.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

That's interesting. I think he was a fame junkie, he loved it.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Well, I think that's true. I think that's true.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

But how could you not? I mean, you're doing all this great stuff, people love you, and people were like, They're dressing like you, they're waving to you as you're sitting naked in your window.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

You get sex in the month. Yeah. But my conclusion is we'll wrap it up.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

I think yes, he was oversed, kind of an ego, needy person, uh, and probably not that great of a parent, especially if he had that many kids.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

But overall, I say he was a hero.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

Because the good that he did weighed weighed any bad, and who doesn't do bad? I mean, he was only human, and if your worst thing is, you know, having too much sex, I guess that's not bad. Yeah. The bones in the basement, well, alright, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

It could have been anybody's.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

It could have been, that's right. Could have they could have been there when he moved in. We don't know, so you know. We don't know. What do you think? What's your conclusion?

SPEAKER_01 31:20

I think he's a hero. If he was a giant dick, you would think there would be more out there about him being a dick, and then it would have got out.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Especially now.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Yeah. Because people dig.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Yes. Yes, they do.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

I mean, I don't know who you would interview from that time. Well Especially when they're all dead in that basement.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

But but there was writings then. I mean, people still wrote.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Yeah, there's gotta be some guy. There's somebody.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

That Ben Franklin is such a body asshole.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

I hate him. He didn't invent the kite shit. I saw Larry doing that last weekend at the party with the crown. You know. Uh-huh. No, but I think you we'll call him a hero.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Hero for Ben. Hero for Ben. And then I guess uh we don't know who we're gonna do for the next one.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

No, we need to determine that. But you can stop.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

So we'll figure that out. And uh, okay, that's it for uh episode one.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

Oh, and see we did pretty good. Thirty two minutes?

SPEAKER_01 32:10

All right.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

I mean, I was shooting for 15.