Hero or Dick
Welcome to Hero or Dick!
We started this podcast with a blunt question about people: Hero or Dick?
Then we found ourselves asking it about places, traditions, entertainment, and the ordinary stuff we’d never thought to question before. Who gets praised? What gets overlooked? Why are we so sure we know the story?
We pick something that interests us, do our homework, and sit down to talk. We bring facts, opinions, and stories from our own lives, and follow the occasional tangent.
Sometimes we reach a verdict. Sometimes the question gets more interesting.
If that sounds like a conversation you’d want to be part of, join us.
~ Kate & KJ
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Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick, Ep. 2: Oprah
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In this episode, Kate and KJ discuss one of the most well-known people in the world, Oprah Winfrey.
Is she a true potato sack to Promised Land story of heroic proportions?
Or is she a dick?
Listeners, tune in to Hero or Dick and decide for yourselves!
Thanks for your support!
~ K&K
Okay. So this is Hero or Dick Episode 2. And the date today is March 23rd, 2023. So 032323. A good day to buy a lottery ticket.
SPEAKER_02Yes. It is. And we're broadcasting once again from Horse Brothers Studio. Who do we have today?
SPEAKER_00Today, our hero dick subject is Oprah. Oprah Winfrey? That Oprah.
SPEAKER_02You mean what's it really called? What was her real name? Orpah. Orpah. Orpah.
SPEAKER_00O-R-P-A-H is a biblical.
SPEAKER_02After the biblical book about Ruth, apparently.
SPEAKER_00I don't know either. I would say, okay, but that was too hard to pronounce, so they called her Oprah because that's much easier. I mean, now it is because you know it.
SPEAKER_02But did you try typing her name? Because when you go to type it, you I automatically type ORPA.
SPEAKER_00Oh. Interesting. Oh, I just didn't know.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because it's Oprah.
SPEAKER_02It is Oprah.
SPEAKER_00And who doesn't know? I mean, you could do an intro on Oprah, we could tell you all about Oprah, but everybody kind of knows Oprah. What was your one surprising fact about Oprah?
SPEAKER_02That she had a child when she was 14.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And that's I mean, there's a whole bunch of things.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she didn't have it easy growing up.
SPEAKER_02Potato sacks. She wore potato sacks for clothes. They called her sack girl.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Oprah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I know it's terrible.
SPEAKER_00But I think all of that hardship, and she went through some hardship even when she was older. Uh even when she had money, you know. Right. Just because you have money doesn't mean you don't have problems. And even through all that, I think she always adapted. And she always adapted specifically to her circumstances, whatever it is, whether it's having a baby at 14. I mean, that didn't stop her. That could have she could've went on, you know, uh public assistance and lived her life in Mississippi as a poor black woman. Yep. But she didn't.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00And maybe it made her stronger.
SPEAKER_02Maybe. It seems to have. I don't know. It opens up a whole different discussion about people who run into obstacles in life and they give up. Or people who run into obstacles and they don't. So it's gotta make you wonder. You know, how how does it happen? We know people. They hit a wall and they're that's it, they're fucked. They don't do anything the rest of their life, and they blame everything on something that happened to them. Oh, my parents.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, my parents got divorced. It's like, yeah, so did half the world.
SPEAKER_02And the molestation thing is horrible. It is, but you know, it happens too.
SPEAKER_00And that's it's uh yeah, it's not only scary, but it does happen. And so not all of those people end up like Oprah, but not all those people end up on Skid Row either. Right, right. So the difference. Yeah, that's a different podcast.
SPEAKER_02Um, but yeah, but yeah, so she was uh with her parents. Her parents, what, were 18 and 20. They had her and things didn't work out, and then she ended up living with her grandma, right? Uh until she was sick. Six and sick. Grandma got sick.
SPEAKER_00Grandma got sick, Overlax.
SPEAKER_02And then she moved to Milwaukee, right?
SPEAKER_00Uh with an aunt. I see I I don't know that specifically. I think um I just I do remember she um.
SPEAKER_02Oh, she actually she moved to I think she went to live with her mom after that. Yeah, her living.
SPEAKER_00She switched to her mom. And then after when she was a teen, she went to live with dad.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, and she said that in Tennessee. Yeah. Dad, they were all of them were kind of strict with her. She did say that, even though her grandma was really strict, you know, when she was little, that um that's the reason she credits for being successful, part of it because her grandma was like an old bullshit kind of lady, and you know. Um but then when she moved to live with her mom during those teenage years, that's when things got dicey. She was rebellious, she said that she was promiscuous, all that jazz.
SPEAKER_00Um Well, and if you you know no guidance, basically.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. And if you're molested and then promiscuous, I mean you don't you might not know the difference. You may you may you know not the difference, but the you might think it's okay or it's acceptable, if not okay.
SPEAKER_02Well, none that we're quite we're assuming things, but you would think that that because she had weight struggles and everything else, like the whole body image thing tied to that event, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_00As a teenager, oh yeah, that probably comes into play for sure. And uh she has said herself, you know, I was never a beauty queen, although she was a beauty queen.
SPEAKER_02Miss Tennessee or something else.
SPEAKER_00Miss Black Tennessee. Not just Miss Tennessee. Yep, just oops. Miss Black Tennessee, and I don't know.
SPEAKER_02She also won a local beauty contest, too.
SPEAKER_00So she did. Now I think that then, and I don't know about now, but then they kind of did um beauty pageants.
SPEAKER_01That's what, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh they weren't all beauty. You had to have some talent too. Uh no, it helps if you're beautiful. I mean, that'll get you in right away. Yeah, that's why. But if you have some talent, like she did, which I don't know what her talent was. Did she say what's in it? Communications like she read something or yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um I know that one of the contests she knew she was like looking forward to when they asked what she wanted to be because she wanted to be like a television host or whatnot. I don't know if that ever happened in her life, but a television host?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, too bad that thing didn't work out for her.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it didn't. No luck on that one. Um What else do we have about old?
SPEAKER_00So then she moved to Tennessee or she okay, so she's in Tennessee, and uh she's living with dad, and then she does go to college, she does um. You know, before what was her Go ahead.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say the dad thing. I read something where did I already say this? Like he made her memorize five vocabulary words a day before she would get her supper.
SPEAKER_00No. Yep. So is that strict and mean, or is that trying to better your child?
SPEAKER_02And she said was a little of both, apparently. Um and he did it because he wanted her to continue to move up. Um and I imagine, you know, there's all kinds of things you deal with being a woman and black anyway. And so, you know, trying to be You know, really, is that the worst thing?
SPEAKER_00I mean, five vocabulary words a day. Yeah, that seems I mean everybody would be like up in arms now. What? I can't believe you're making your kid do that. But why wouldn't you?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, do families even have supper together anymore?
SPEAKER_00I hope so.
SPEAKER_02We do.
SPEAKER_00Good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, good. No vocabulary words.
SPEAKER_00Well now there's gonna be Joey.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_00And Julie and the book abs.
SPEAKER_02They're screwed.
SPEAKER_00So then she went to college, and then what was her first job?
SPEAKER_02Wasn't she an anchor? No, she worked at a grocery store when she was a teenager. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um I guess I'm on her first communication job.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, when she was 19, I thought she was on a She was very young, I do remember that. TV show as a host. And she worked with this dude that was really popular and he was a dick to her. And put her down all the time on the air, and she got tired of him.
SPEAKER_00Was that where was that? Baltimore? Oh, here in Baltimore. Okay. Yep, yep. So she's in Baltimore, and but it's still like uh like everything, like every job. It's good experience, even though you don't have a great partner. I mean, think if she did have a great partner, maybe it wouldn't have uh spurred her to move.
SPEAKER_02True.
SPEAKER_00Then she would have been stuck in Baltimore. Instead, she went back to the room.
SPEAKER_02You ever been to Baltimore?
SPEAKER_00I have not.
SPEAKER_02Uh I don't hear good things about it.
SPEAKER_00Um I remember Cassidy had a job offer there, and she went there, and um she said it's it's prettier than you think it is, because it's right on the harbor town.
SPEAKER_02Oh, is it?
SPEAKER_00But yeah, it does not have a good rep, does it?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_02Baltimore Ravens are there.
SPEAKER_00But then you go to Chicago. I mean, parts of Chicago are great, but most of Chicago's fat scary, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It is scary.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I like Chicago.
SPEAKER_00I do, but it's got a lot scary. They have, you know, a lot of uh shootings.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they do.
SPEAKER_00But they have embraced Oprah. Oprah's made it good. Oprah's probably uh given helped Chicago get a little bit of a better reputation, if not right now, certainly in her heyday in the I guess it'd be 90s and you think her 90s?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, her show ran from September 8th and 86 to May 25th of 2011.
SPEAKER_00That's amazing right there.
SPEAKER_02That's when she actually revealed uh the blastation and all that um that happened to her on the show.
SPEAKER_00On the show.
SPEAKER_02A lot of firsts on that show.
SPEAKER_00A lot of firsts on that show, and she does credit Phil Donahue for you know setting up because he really did do the um the base or the the core. This is you know how you do a talk show, and people kind of copied that. And she did too, but then she really took it to another level. Um you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. That's different. That's what everybody remembers. And and why wouldn't you? She gave everyone a car.
SPEAKER_02That's pretty they're Pontiacs, but well, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Still a car.
SPEAKER_02Nice vehicle at the time. Was it were they used?
SPEAKER_00No, they were new.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, somewhere in there. I don't know, they were decent cars.
SPEAKER_00So I remember that show and being so impressed that what wow, she gave everyone in the audience a car. But then I heard she kind of handpicked the audience and it was people who really needed them, which I thought, well, that's really nice, but still, shouldn't random people who go to her show shouldn't why didn't they get a car?
SPEAKER_02True. Oh yeah. There are some other things, but we'll get into that later. Um but yeah, the show obviously was very successful.
SPEAKER_00Um she had so many famous uh episodes too, like the one where she uh she had been on that bariatric diet, and she lost like a hundred and some pounds. Oh, yeah, the protein shakes are yeah, and she walked out with a um a wagon behind her of fat. This is how much weight I lost. I mean, I can remember watching that or seeing it and just going, wow, that's that's a lot of fat. That's a lot of fat. And you know, you hear, oh, I lost a hundred pounds, but until you see a hundred pounds of fat in a wagon or anywhere, it's that's a lot. A wagon of fat. A wagon of fat is a lot.
SPEAKER_02That would have been a better name for the podcast.
SPEAKER_00A wagon of fat.
SPEAKER_02We're chewing the fat, we're talking about well anyway. But she uh that's funny. It was interesting too because uh later on in her life, well, because she when she went through that, she was saying, All you gotta do is diet and exercise. That's all you have to do, and then she gained the weight back. Yeah, and then she was like, Oh, I fucked up. It's actually not that easy, it can, you know.
SPEAKER_00And so because of that, um, I think she's so relatable to so many people. Human because she's human, and who hasn't, you know, been skinny fat, skinny fat, skinny fat. Not even skinny, but you lose some weight, you gain it back. I mean, everybody that happens to almost everybody in the human population, at least in America, where we are fat.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00And it's not just easy to lose it, and she has proved it. Yeah, and now she's skinny again, though. Have you seen a picture of her lately? She's not skinny, but she looks good. She bought Weight Watchers. So you and I would just do Weight Watchers, you know, or go on Weight Watchers. She just bought it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Do you think she had a breast implant? I'm just asking because some pictures oh, I don't know either.
SPEAKER_00I'm just because I don't think so.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I'm not trying to be crass, but I looked at some pictures and I looked at other pictures, I'm like, those don't look like the same books.
SPEAKER_00If anything, she probably got it read reduction. And that might have been during the fat, you know, when you have your all boobs, and then when you go down, you know, she'll probably lost it in her boobs.
SPEAKER_02Right. I mean, it's not like I was searching you know what I mean. Anyway, we better move on. Sorry. Pissed people off with that one. Um oh, the book club. That was huge. You know, kind of propelled publishing and reading again. And you know, my mom actually sent Oprah a letter and stuff about a book I had written. Talk about embarrassing. I know it was nice. That's sweet. It was sweet. And you know, I'm gonna write back.
SPEAKER_00The fact she might have.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I we're still waiting.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. Yeah, she might still write back.
SPEAKER_02She might.
SPEAKER_00I'm sure she got a couple letters from people who wrote books or people's mothers who wrote books.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00Love you, Mom. Uh what I remember most about that era was what was the author that she said, oh, we're gonna do your book, and he's like, uh no, I don't want you to.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I don't remember that one, but I remember the guy that she brought on A Million Little Pieces.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he lied.
SPEAKER_02James Fry.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You know, though.
SPEAKER_02I got I'll have to look up who he wrote, it was a memoir, right? And so he embellished.
SPEAKER_00So he embellished. And isn't it his story to tell if it's a memoir? Now, if he would have had novel written there, then it would have been okay. His memoir.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I always a little weird about that. She had him on, praised him all this shit, and then find out that he embellished some stuff and then brought him on to run him through the ringer.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and she did. Yeah. And he was just kind of hanging his head low.
SPEAKER_02Too bad Letterman wasn't there. Oh, you know the Oprah and Letterman?
SPEAKER_00Supposedly their feud, and then they both kind of said, you know, we weren't best of friends or anything, and it really got out of hand. We were never mortal enemies.
SPEAKER_02I guess it stemmed from Letterman had her on, and she was unhappy because there was some drunk guys in the front row, the Letterman show, go figure, you know, and then um Letterman was baiting the audience. Well, that's what he does, you know, or did. Do you ever see his podcast? Or his show? That's good. But anyway, um, so I think that's where that stemmed from. But they made it.
SPEAKER_00Well, and he hosted the Oscars and he did the Uma Oprah Uma Oprah Oprah Uma. And it wasn't funny.
SPEAKER_02I don't remember it.
SPEAKER_00Uh see? And it wasn't memorable. Uh-huh. But I think that played into it too.
SPEAKER_02But Letterman would say things like that weren't funny all the time.
SPEAKER_00He can be hero or dick, too.
SPEAKER_02That's yeah. Yeah. I'd love to. Like the hero or dick that guy. Well, no, I don't.
SPEAKER_00No, no. That sounds bad. We will put him on the list.
SPEAKER_02Next. Sorry. Okay.
SPEAKER_00So we got her background. Uh, and you know, everybody knows about Oprah. Just and then the only other thing I wanted to mention about Oprah was uh Oprah's favorite things list. See, you probably don't even know about it, but she I have Google too, goddammit. She has this list, and my mom used to get her magazine and she put it in her magazine.
SPEAKER_02Oh every year. She has a magazine?
SPEAKER_00Come on.
SPEAKER_02Wait, she also has frozen pizza. She did. She has everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00What do you got? Grown avocado farming? Got it. Um, so every year though, she comes out with her favorite list her favorites on a list before Christmas. And I would just like to see their their you know sales line before Oprah and then after Oprah, because I bet it just jacks.
SPEAKER_02Do you think she has stock in those companies?
SPEAKER_00Uh if not now, some of them she probably did. Because some of them she really and I think they're really her favorite things. I don't think people I don't think people are paying her off to say, hey, put my water bottle on your list. She doesn't need the money. No. But I think she's trying out all these products. Now people probably send her products.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So it is products. It's not like products, or it could be like chasing butterflies.
SPEAKER_00No, it could be an experience, I guess, like a hotel, but it no, it's it's like pet things or pillows or spa things or whatever. And some are cheap and some are super expensive. And all of them, I'm sure, get a huge boost at that Christmas season whenever she says she loves them.
SPEAKER_02So is the magazine still out?
SPEAKER_00Uh I don't think they publish the magazine anymore, but it was big in its day. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_02I think I just burped it.
SPEAKER_00And it was I'm sorry. And it was uh it was uh good magazine. I mean, you know, she had a book.
SPEAKER_02She was on every cover, correct?
SPEAKER_00She was. Yeah, she was on every cover.
SPEAKER_02What about the book?
SPEAKER_00She had uh lots of book recommendations in it. Okay. In the magazine. And maybe that's where it's I don't know how it's the book club actually started.
SPEAKER_02Did you get the book? I mean the magazine?
SPEAKER_00Oh my mom.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I think my mom did too.
SPEAKER_00So I read it from her, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Sorry.
SPEAKER_00Um so uh the oh uh one other a con. I don't know if this is a con or not. She's just so um influential that if she happened to say something negative about your product, like the beef, I don't know that I'm ever gonna eat a hamburger again or something like that, and and hamburger sales plummeted. Right. Plummeted enough that Texas rancher, beef cattle ranchers sued her. And that seems a bit extreme, and she won the case. When did that happen? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02That's okay, because one thing one thing I do remember about watching an episode of Oprah, maybe it wasn't, now I'm wondering, but she would talk about how she only fed her dogs premium cuts of steak and beef, like raw beef and steak. So I don't know. That must have been before she bashed it.
SPEAKER_00It was okay to fit. That was a long time ago. Like I'm in a say late 90s.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00We'd have to Google that too, but uh it's um but how influential is she to go, yeah, I don't like hamburgers, everybody. Uh, we don't like hamburgers either. Oprah does Oprah says don't eat hamburgers. Yeah, what does that say?
SPEAKER_02People though.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's kind of a cult following, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02It's kind of weird. I don't care who would say, I don't think you should drink coffee, I'd be like, fuck off, I'm gonna have a cup of coffee. I don't care. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_00If though somebody showed you, like in the beef one, it was on a TV show, they were talking about health benefits or disbenefits or non-benefits, and and she was talking about how it was meat plant process, meat processing plants, and how they were unsanitary and that's that's kind of what it was about. Okay, and so she somebody is giving her this information about how gross it is, basically, and she said, I don't know that I'm ever gonna eat a hamburger again. So, you know, she's I get it.
SPEAKER_02So she's trying to educate the public.
SPEAKER_00She wasn't just saying, I like avocados, you should like avocados. Not that everybody wouldn't.
SPEAKER_02Products in the magazine. Um so I like Edward Vetter, the lead singer Pearl Jam. And so if he came out and he said that he went to visit a coffee factory in Columbia and he noticed that all the workers were stirring the beans with their dicks, maybe I would stop drinking that coffee. I couldn't. Maybe, just maybe. Maybe. Got it.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02Makes sense now.
SPEAKER_00I don't know, it's quite an analogy, but the tag teaming we have going here.
SPEAKER_02It's nice.
SPEAKER_00So what do we think is a determination? Wait, I'm not done. Oh, okay. Give me what you got.
SPEAKER_02Well, her pet peeve, one of them is chewing gum.
SPEAKER_00Oh, really?
SPEAKER_02Yes, apparently.
SPEAKER_00Wow, have you met Oprah? You know so much about her.
SPEAKER_02Well, you know, there was this night down in Mississippi. You found a speakeasy.
SPEAKER_00Maybe you're the love child of Oprah. She did find out she had a long lost sister. How weird would that be to go.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you're my sister.
SPEAKER_02Um, no. Um chewing gum. Yeah, her grandmother used to chew the shit out of gum, and she would want to reuse it and stick it all over on the furniture and stuff like that. And apparently, it would gross her out, which I would get.
SPEAKER_00Okay, that that would turn me up.
SPEAKER_02Another thing for the life she goes she goes from potato potato potato sacks in a rough life to 2.8 billion she's worth, or something like that. So I understand things are relative. You know, your perspective changes. Um, but her water bill, during a drought, uh, for let's see here, 125 grand during the 2014 drought because she was having tanker trucks brought in to make sure that her gardens were green.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay, that's kind of bougie of you, Oprah.
SPEAKER_02Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_00Um I think not everybody can relate to that. No, I hate to say that's probably But if that's the worst thing that we can dig up at the opening.
SPEAKER_02But you know, part of the reason I think we can't find stuff on her is because everybody she works with in Some of them she meets, they have to sign an NDA. Now, wait a minute. This is the woman that promotes freedom of speech and everybody should have a voice. But if you work with me, I don't want you talking about the shit I do. So we don't really know.
SPEAKER_00Uh I yeah, so I understand why she does it though, because do you, you know, I don't know. Do you want people do weird stuff that the they'll sell your poo on, you know, eBay if they have it. Or they'll, you know, they well, they you know what I mean? They and then who wants their intimate details of their life, you know, out there like Well, that's part of the reason that she started was because of the whole the baby that she had when she was in the molestation that came out. So she was like, probably like, you guys know enough about me. Yeah, yeah. Can I have some privacy here? But what about it? That is truly why I would never want to be famous because then they just dig up a bunch of shit out of her. You're on this podcast.
SPEAKER_02You watch people just dig up shit about me. But what about the you know, and I'm not trying to be a dick because a lot of rich people have big houses. But her place is like, I don't know, 50, 60 acres, six bedrooms, fourteen bathrooms, home theaters, wine cellar. It's all normal stuff, I guess, when you're running with the.
SPEAKER_00Well, I see if you got two billion, spend it. I guess she gives it away too. So where does she give it? She gives it to her schools and her Oh yes. No. Uh I can't think of her other Chicago.
SPEAKER_02She helps with the Chicago stuff a lot. She does. Um the schools that start she had those in Africa, right? Or one in Africa. And I couldn't find any more information, but she was trying to open some here. Do you know if she was able to?
SPEAKER_00Well, I think they were opened, and I think that was only one of the few scandally things you can find about her, and it was it was debunked that there was some um there was a school and I I don't I don't know where exactly, but in the US that she helped fund or funded her completely, and there was some uh sexual scandal they said.
SPEAKER_02Oh, well that wouldn't be her.
SPEAKER_00But um yeah, but you know, she's not even there. Her saw her name's on it, you know, she's not there. Some weird. And so it was like the yeah, it was like the teacher and the students, but then they then it was all proved, you know, that that was incorrect, and somebody was just giving her a bad PR, and I'm not even sure why. Um so I think she does give money away though.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, she is it was all over the place, yeah. She's very generous.
SPEAKER_00Um, and so if you're giving money away, why and you know she's worked hard and she went through a lot of shit to get that money. Why can't she just spend it on a big old house?
SPEAKER_02And $125,000 water bill.
SPEAKER_00That's fine. And her dogs, she very doubts on her dogs a lot. But those are she didn't have any kids, so right.
SPEAKER_02And the reason she probably didn't have kids is because of the Yeah, maybe maybe she couldn't. Well no, well, she had that first experience when she you know had the baby in the hospital, and she didn't even get to hold the baby, see the baby.
SPEAKER_01Well, she didn't have to read open.
SPEAKER_02Got it taken away and it died a week later, and that was it. So I'm that's gotta mess you up, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and 14. That's young. Yeah, uh yeah.
SPEAKER_02You spend your whole life processing that. We didn't even talk about Stedman. Maybe he'll get his own idea.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Steadman. So I say yay Stedman.
SPEAKER_02Yay Stedman.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. How hard would it be to be Oprah's dude?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I think other than that man show just.
SPEAKER_00I think it could go either way. So, yeah, you you know you got it, you got it pretty good. He's always worked, and it's not like he freeloaded. You have to be a strong man to be uh married to that strong of a woman.
SPEAKER_02And her attention, she's given attention to everybody.
SPEAKER_00Right. It's not like they're uh, you know, it's focused on him.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I say, good for you, studman. He stuck by her, they've been together 30 plus years.
SPEAKER_02They were gonna get married. Uh he proposed to her, yes, and they just proposed to her more than one of them. She said no because they like the way things are going. It's worked, you know. So they're one of those couples, they'll probably be together forever.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Not enslaved.
SPEAKER_00Not enslaved to them. Institution of marriage. Who wants to live in an institution anyway?
SPEAKER_02Only some of us.
SPEAKER_00So, determination, or do you have anything to add?
SPEAKER_02Well, you know, you could do a whole nother podcast on her, but I uh, you know, she I like it because she came from nothing. She had lots of trauma, lots of setbacks, but look at her. Very successful. People love her. She can change the world of beef cattle farming with the one swoop of a comment or whatever. No, I like her. She's a hero.
SPEAKER_00I agree. Yeah, I think she's a hero, if for nothing else, her book club, because she got people back into reading, and no matter how you have to do that, I say people read, read a book.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And I mean there were other dickish things that we wanted to say, but we're under NDA.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think too, you know, like we say uh every time, one time, that you know, people do dick moves. That doesn't mean you're a dick.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_00And she's human. No, you don't. Although I think she has had enough dick moves thrown at her and she's hurdled them and went on to become always rising above. Uh yeah, and went on to become the woman that she is. So yeah, I'd say definitely hero.
SPEAKER_02Definitely a hero.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Oprah, we love you. You're a hero. Set this mommy.
SPEAKER_02Read my book, Oprah. Don't make me sick Rita on you. Rita's my mom.
SPEAKER_00So now we're gonna do our lightning round.
SPEAKER_02Lightning round.
SPEAKER_00Where uh each of us will read five people or people, five things to you or to each other, and we'll just say, Here we're dick, off the top of our head, we can discuss maybe later, or we can decide.
SPEAKER_02I don't know her list, and she doesn't know mine.
SPEAKER_00Right, it's a surprise list. And um, we can decide if these should be added to the actual to go in depth.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So do you reading all yours, or are we doing one one?
SPEAKER_00Go one one. So I'll go. My first one is Gandhi. Hero Dick.
SPEAKER_02Hero.
SPEAKER_00Okay. What's your number one?
SPEAKER_02Well, not number one, but the first one is. Ready? Sharon Stone.
SPEAKER_00Sharon Stone. Ooh. I'm gonna say hero because of the little that I know about her.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_00But now you make me wonder too much of it.
SPEAKER_02I've just been seeing her around lately. Well, not around. She's not an Alpina.
SPEAKER_00Is she Alpina? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02I saw her at Meyer. She was getting fucking notice this morning.
SPEAKER_00Did she give you one? No, but she elbowed me.
SPEAKER_02She elbowed me in line. So she's Dick. No, go ahead. Oh, wait. Yeah, we're just doing each other's lists.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Number two, that uh the next one on my list is Hero Dick, Ted Nugent.
SPEAKER_02Dick.
SPEAKER_00Agreed. Dick, Dick.
SPEAKER_02Tom Cruise.
SPEAKER_00Uh I'm gonna have to go Dick, although I like his hero movies. Oh my god, it's like you set me up for that.
SPEAKER_02I think he would charm the fucking shit out of us. Oh, yeah. I think he's the devil.
SPEAKER_00If he was here, I'd have to say hero because he would put the Scientology over us. He'd get you. Uh-huh. I think he's gonna be. Who's next on your list?
SPEAKER_02What? It's your list, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00Oh, is it my turn? I think so. I said Tom Cruise. Oh, okay. I will I will ask you hero or dick, uh Edgar Allan Poe. Complete silence.
SPEAKER_02God, I want him to be a hero, but I think he was probably a dick.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Well, that'll be a fun one because he was one of the messed up dude Starlight's name, and we can maybe we can explain.
SPEAKER_02You know I get sick of everybody talking about Edgar Alpo Nevermore, blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_00You had to in school, but yeah, and sometimes you wonder, eh, was he really that great? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I I don't know. I do like the Raven.
SPEAKER_02Okay. This one may be relevant because he's been in the headlines lately. Brett Favre. Brett Favre, the quarterback.
SPEAKER_00The quarterback. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02He's in a bit of a pickle these days.
SPEAKER_00I would say, again, I don't know his whole story, so I'm gonna say hero. Because I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Okay, that's fine.
SPEAKER_00Um my next thing, uh hero or dick internet.
SPEAKER_02Hero.
SPEAKER_00Overall.
SPEAKER_02You talking about the guy we met last Wednesday? Mr. Internet? Or are you talking about the internet?
SPEAKER_00I'm talking about the internet.
SPEAKER_02Oh, the internet hero. They're both heroes. Um next, Eleanor Roosevelt.
SPEAKER_00Uh, I gotta say hero. I like her.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I'll let you say that. That's fine.
SPEAKER_00She does I know, I know. She doesn't do everything. It was a different time, I think, her decisions that she made. Um, but I think overall she uh lobbied for a lot of people who needed it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I say hero. Oh. Do I have one more?
SPEAKER_02I think so.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, are you ready?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00My last one, Hero or Dick, cocaine bear.
SPEAKER_02What'd you just say?
SPEAKER_00Cocaine bear. You know the movie that's out about the cocaine bear? What? Oh my god. You're supposed to be up on everything. It's a movie. What's it on? Okay, we will re- No, it's it's an actual movie. So we'll have to uh Is Brett Favre in it? Perhaps there's a bear, I know that. So we'll revisit that. You you Google that and then we'll revisit that one. No, I didn't watch it, but it's gotten press everywhere. It's like you don't even go on the heroin or that.
SPEAKER_02No, but I'm gonna I'm gonna make an educated guess and say dick.
SPEAKER_00And say dick, okay. I think we'll revisit it and you will might change your life. What's your last one?
SPEAKER_02This one I think is going to be the most controversial that we'll ever do.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. Is it God?
SPEAKER_02Close. And I think that you're gonna want to go back and research and dig and really look at the different time frames and decades, the outfits that this individual wore. Is it share? The words that they said, the dances, the nuances. Bugs Bunny.
SPEAKER_00I love Bugs Bunny. He's always a hero to me. I don't care if he's in a dress or in a barber shop garb. I love Bugs Bunny.
SPEAKER_02It is. I'm I I that's one where I really think, man, you could dig up some stuff. I mean, lots.
SPEAKER_00He does lots of dick moves to Elmer Fog, but you know, as an Elmer kind of trying to kill him. So maybe those are required.
SPEAKER_02But man, that was pretty advanced stuff if you think about it. The things that they were saying and doing. Oh man.
SPEAKER_00The one I saw recently that sums it up of why I love Bugs Bunny is they showed him with a big saw in front of a map. Or on the map, and he was sawing off Florida.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And pushing it away from the United States. So right there.
SPEAKER_02Love it.
SPEAKER_00Hero.
SPEAKER_02Well, I guess should we say that's all, folks, for this episode?
SPEAKER_00Uh yes. All right. Yes, you're doing it.
SPEAKER_02See you guys next time. Bye.
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