SPEAKER_00 0:00

Okay, this is um what number is it? Episode four of Hero or Dick. This is KJ and Kate.

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And the date is May 17th, 18th. 18th. Okay.

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Uh what's the subject today?

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This week it is King Charles.

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Yep.

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Not Prince of Wales Charles any longer.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Can we talk about him too?

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Or just the king. I think we're gonna have to. Because he has only been king for well, what the queen's been gone, I don't know, not quite a year. I think she died in September of 22.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Well, at least nothing about his reign has been controversial.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Not yet. Well, yeah, he did kind of well, he's got those kids. And the one that was. Yeah, what's that?

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Harry and Andrew?

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Uh no, uh, William. William is is the next in secession.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

But the he's not the one that was buddies with Epstein.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

No, no, that was his brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

His brother.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

That was Charles's brother, Andrew.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

And he had to take out a big loan to cover him. Yeah. But it was his brother. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

It's his brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

And he said summarizing, my brother's a fuck up. I feel bad. I'm just trying to help him out. Just helping him out. Nine million dollars of help. My parents always told me if you get into jail and get yourself out, you're not paying for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

No. Yeah. No parents aren't sympathetic to that. And when a parent said, I've seen neither was the queen. No. Because his brother had to help him, not the queen. And supposedly, it's kind of off topic, but not really, because it's his brother. Um, supposedly Andrew was the Queen's favorite kid, too. So she must have been really devastated. She's old to begin with, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

And then to have your kid be, you know, defamed.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Like that. Of his own accord, too. Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Well, yeah, but I guess before we get too far ahead, so what? He was uh born in 1948.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Yes. Yeah, so he's 70, what, three years so he's old. And you know, you're born into royalty. You don't know anything else.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

He didn't choose it.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

He didn't choose it. Um, he was only three years old when his mom became the queen. So that that's all he knows.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

You know, and he he did know eventually he was gonna have to be king, you know, like it or not. I guess he could abdicate like other kings have done, but why would you do that? Oh, well, because you're in love with a divorcee and they won't let you uh marry her, is what his uncle did, would be his great uncle.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Yeah. So people do it, they give it up. But he knew he was gonna be king. And just took a long time. It did take a long time. I think they said he was the oldest person ever to become king or queen. Um and I think then, I mean, previously people just didn't live that long. Or people beheaded him.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Sure. Off with his head.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Yeah, they had more of that going in.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

You think that they would maybe do that to him back in the day? Because he does have some outspoken views on things. He try he melds some politics in with the crown, and usually that's not something you do.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Well, there's people um who would agree with that. And there are many people who think that uh Great Britain doesn't need royalty any longer. Um, those days are gone, we don't need that. There's lots of people who think that they do. I think, you know, when they had that coronation, there was a poll, and maybe it was like 25% of uh the people polled, so we always gotta take that into consideration in England said we don't need royalty. And you know, that's just uh use not uh useful way for to use taxpayers' money. But there's lots of people who would like to continue it, and um you know it's kinda neat. Yeah, it it it's um there's a lot of pop and circumstance with that, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yeah, I think is it more of a show than anything?

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Kind of, yeah. Yeah, because they don't really get a say in anything political. In fact, they're encouraged to be kind of apolitical. I guess that's what even though the prime minister always met with the queen, she went through a lot of prime ministers and then Charles meets with the prime minister once a week to get the you know feel of the country. So it's not like they don't know what's going on, it's just that they don't really get a say in it. And um, so going back to when he was young too, you know, he's got this queen for a mom, and his dad is his dad's kind of a dick.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Um, I would say he's a real dick no kind of he is a dick.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah. Well, like he sorry to interrupt, but he was like a sensitive kid, and he didn't like that. No. He was trying to like set up. Be a man, yeah, toughen you up.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Uh-huh. So they made him go to that boarding school when he was young.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Very young. And I think that was hard for him to do. And you know, you know, there's this gawky, awkward guy who's gonna be king. Well, he's seven or eight or however old. I mean, really young going to this boarding school. And gee, I bet those kids just embraced him.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

They did it. I mean, they're probably just picked at him relentlessly.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

So it had that factor too. And then you go home to what, you know, your mom might be home. She might be in Canada, you know, she might be, you know, probably had a I hope he at least had a nanny that he was close with when he was young. So, but he did go to school and he did go to college.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

He was the first one that got a degree.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Yeah, about all those royals. So take that. And even from a young age, he was very outspoken, like you said. He, you know, was always uh concerned about the ecology ecology related stuff.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Got um there was some interview in 2010, and he was talking about how he talks to the plants and the trees and that they listen to him, and he said it's crucial. And he got kind of uh you know ridiculed for that. But I think that's cool. You know, you got a guy who's in the upper echelon, but he's still connected to the earth in a very intimate way.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Yeah, he did do a lot for like organic farming, and I know the wool industry. He had a big um campaign for them and brought back a lot of that. So he he did um he did do some good before he was king, um, you know, being green before it was cool.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

The Princess Rainforest Project, that was one of them. Uh protected rainforests around the world. That was in 2007. Um, and then another thing was in 2009, the Princess Trust International, to help young people in developing countries. So, yeah, a lot of good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Yeah. I think all his good stuff um kind of got overshadowed by his first marriage. Um, you know, he he was in love with Camilla, there's no doubt about that. Right. And then she wasn't acceptable for him to marry because she wa, I don't know why, she wasn't the right, you know, bloodline, I think. Um, but they didn't want him to marry her, they being his parents and and probably just his parents, really.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

And he was dating Diana's older sister when they met, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Yeah, he dated a lot of people. It's kind of a playa. Um yeah, and so then, you know, he meets Diana, and I think he was just at a time in his life where he's like, sh I guess it's time for me to get married, you're fine, whatever. You know, she really campaigned herself to him.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

Diana did?

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Yeah, I think so. She wanted to be a princess. I don't think she wanted to be his wife, uh uh his wife, but she wanted to be a princess. And I I she has done a lot of good in the world. Um, and I'm sorry that she had to die young. I, you know, I think everybody feels bad about that. But I also think that she wasn't, you know, um, I guess the angel that that everybody makes her out to be. I, you know, if you die young, you you get that accolade automatically.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

You know.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Or if you're on dateline. Everybody that dies and is on dateline was a great person, wonderful child, perfect mother, great father. You never say, well, this person is her too.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

This guy's kind of a dick.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Kind of had it coming. But no.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

I mean, she did do a lot of good. Like everybody, you know, she had but uh she had dickish moves to her, too. She um, you know, complained about Camilla, but come on, man, you didn't know that going in.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Yeah. And she said um they were virtually strangers when they got married. They went, they dated, uh, met 13 times and then they got married.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Yeah. Yeah. And I did read a couple places where she said she had supposedly told close friends she wanted to back out of the marriage, but by then it was too late. Uh it's never too late until you're walking down the aisle, by the way, but um, I think she thought she was too far into it. So, and I think you know, they must have had at least a couple happy times because they got two kids.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah. Or at least drunken times.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Um I don't know, there was some cool stuff like he's a qualified pilot and diver, um, watercolor painter. I'd like to see some of those.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

I would too. I did not know that one. Um well, and his in school he studied archaeology, anthropology, and history.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

And that was in Cambridge. I mean, it's not like he's going to ACC. You gotta do you gotta be kind of smart to do that.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Kinda.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

Kinda.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Um.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

So uh then he divorces Diana, and you know, a lot of people say that he was rude to her and whatever. I I think they in the end, before she passed away, they were uh friendly enough that you know they they could talk to each other. They probably weren't the best of friends, no, but they're divorced from each other, so I wouldn't expect them to be.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Well, that's interesting when people are in the public eye, everything is amplified, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and look at even Harry and Megan last night on the news, it's they were chased through New York uh by the paparazzi. It was a two-hour chase. A two-hour chase. I really got a problem with it because if you've ever driven in New York City, you I mean it's a city, you're not going anywhere quick for two hours. No, so I don't know. I'm sure there's more to the story, but um uh chased. You know, that's what that's what they know and Megan, like Diana, should have known if she didn't know, she's an idiot.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

You if you want to marry this prince, you're getting into something, you become uh like you said, an amplified celebrity. And that's not always cool. No, you get some perks, yeah, you do get perks, but I don't think the perks outweigh the the the privacy loss for one thing, right? And and for them to be chased by paparazzi like his mother was, you know, that that's gotta be tough.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

And I'm sure that Charles and Camilla know that too, because their total, their whole relationship has been amplified for good or bad.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

Yeah, it's fascinating. I think too, there's it was interesting because some of the stuff I was reading talked about how he's an outspoken guy and he has some they say radical views. It doesn't seem radical to me, but again, it's amplified, you know, in that he was aware that once he became king, he would have to change and not publicly say vocal.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Yeah, which is kind of and I think in now maybe, you know, maybe even when um the queen was around when she first became queen, that was very true. I think now you get a little more leeway, although probably not as much as you would like, yeah, or not as much as a commoner would have. But again, that's part of the that's the price of being royal, of being a celebrity, really. And um and I think that his relationship with Harry has um not benefited from him, you know, being married and moving away. No. Um, you know, it seems like he's close with William and Kate and their kids, and I hope that they are, but Harry and Megan, you know, decided not to be uh royals anymore and moved away, and um, you know, he was Harry at the at the coronation was barely around. And he did write in his book, Harry's Book Spared, that um after the funeral of Prince Philip, which is their grandfather, Charles' dad, they were arguing, the two brothers were, and uh Charles said, Please boys, don't make my final years of misery. Yeah, no. And I think they are.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Yeah. Oh, and then they stir up some shit too about racism and oh yeah, we don't know who said that.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Is the baby gonna be black? Yeah, something like that. I was telling somebody that story and they went, Oh my god, Megan, Megan Merkel, what's that her name? Megan Markle, she's black. Yeah, she she's her dad is, her mom is, I don't know, one of her parents are.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

And again, it's a I think it's I'm not excusing it. It's a generational thing, too, you know what I mean? I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Yeah, was it Prince Philip who's 90 years old who never had, you know, he didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Yeah. It's like talking to your uncles or your grandparents, you know. There's some things you're hearing, you're like, what the f you can't say that. But they just say whatever. And I'm not saying it's acceptable. No, it's not, but I think it is generational.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

So it's like he probably didn't he probably didn't even say black, he probably said colored.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Yeah, colored. I hear that once in a while. I can't believe it. But it's people who that's to them, that's a step up from saying the other words. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 16:25

They're like, well, I didn't say that word, but but it's interesting because we jump on people.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

That's what I mean. We kind of jump on these folks. Oh, the whole racism. Come on. Really? What's going on in your grandma's living room on a Sunday evening, you know, with your relatives around? Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Nobody ever said that. Yeah. No, come on.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

But not excusing it, but I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Um yeah, I agree. Um so I think um uh for policy and procedure, I I guess we'll see, you know, how he acts as king. I think he comes off as kind of poshy and spoiled. But, you know, that's all he knows.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Well, yeah, he's coming into the old being a king pretty late.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Uh yeah, and there well, and there were some uh articles about how nitpicky he was and how he was rude to the butler or something. I'm like, you know, again, not excusable, but if that's all you know, that's all you know.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

You know, if your butler always brings you your slippers and then he doesn't today, can do can you yell at him?

SPEAKER_00 17:30

I don't know. Yeah. I mean, again, anything you do is probably magnified. You can't have a bad day.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

No, you can't have a bad day because it's all public. Although I bet you have to sign a tremendously large or long uh non-disclosure agreement.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Oprah's people.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Wasn't that who we talked about before? And everybody in the world had to sign something.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Mm-hmm. Oh, I bet they do for this. Although there's been books that you that are written, so yeah. And he is committed to the environment, so we'll uh give him that.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

He's done a lot. I mean, foundations. I when you have money though, it's easy to do that. Yeah, it's hard because, and then, you know, uh, let's see here, the sovereign grant. 99 million bucks he got, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:23

A grant.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

He said uh the sovereign grant covers the cost of his official duties and amounts to 99.2 million dollars for the 2021-22 financial year.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Isn't that nuts? That's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

I mean, I knew it was gonna be a big number, but I didn't think it'd be that big.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

He also takes care of the Royal Collection, which is uh one of the most valuable art collections in the world.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

You got the jewelry, you got the art, you got furniture, you got houses and castles and 40 square miles of land, prime London real estate, yeah, portfolio of investments. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Well, good for him.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Yeah. So he's born into it. Yeah, there's nothing. And that's the good part of being born into it. Yeah, you know, there is some bad parts of being born into it, too. And the quote that I found that he said that I thought summed it up was all the time I feel like I must justify my existence. Yeah. All the time.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

And that's kind of, I mean, everybody kind of does, but it's kind of sad too to hear it. If it's a bird's like, yeah, you know, you can just be. No, not me.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

I gotta prove. Sometimes you gotta yell at your butler.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Yeah, I guess so. I don't know yet.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

You'll have a butler one day.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

One day. A butler. So overall, I think uh, you know, he's a little dickish because he's poshy, but I think he's still got lots of time to be a hero.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Yeah, I I think he just does dickish things like everybody.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

I don't know I mean if nothing else we found out. Everybody has a dick side to them.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

Um, but you can still be a hero and have a dick side. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Safe dick. That's a new term I learned. Not in the same thing, but it's kind of he's just you know, he's a dick, but it's safe. Not like a dangerous dick.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Oh, I'm gonna write that down.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Safe dick. It's when you you are having sex with someone. And it's safe because there'll be no attachments, which never really happens.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

That would never happen.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

It's on that show uh shrinking. Uh you have Apple TV?

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Oh man. It's pretty good. Harrison Ford's in it.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

I like Harrison Ford.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

He could play the time.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Uh he could play anybody. He could probably do it, yeah. Do you have five?

SPEAKER_00 20:53

No, I'll I'll wing it though.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Okay. Here's uh some fast five. I think we should call it fast five.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Fast five. Don't go to the five. I don't know what we're calling it before.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Um, you write down one and then I'll say one.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

We'll see if it's the same thing. How about Fred Flintstone? Think about it.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Dick. Um I'm gonna do some cartoons too, if that's all right.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Um but Rosie O'Donnell.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Uh she probably does some good, but man, she comes off as a dick. You know what I mean? I wish to be hero.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Oh, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Uh how about uh Taylor Swift?

SPEAKER_00 21:42

I don't know. The only word that comes to mind is vanilla. I'll say she's a hero. There's a lot of people that like her.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

A lot of people like her. I I don't I really couldn't tell you any songs anyway.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

My turn?

SPEAKER_01 21:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Um, this we talked about. AI.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Well, the more I hear about it, the the more frightened I get. Um I just don't know enough about it. And that's kind of what I hear everybody say.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

That it and also the thing that scares me the most is that it's moving so fast.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

And I feel like I'm not catching up. I'm not catching up. Nobody, I mean, there's people who should be caught up.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Right. Well, you're probably already in the AI, the matrix, the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

You know? It's slowly letting us know that it's a aware and around. You know what I mean? It could be.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

It could be. It could be.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

How about uh television? Hero. Overall, I'd say hero. I mean, there's a lot of dick stuff on there, but yeah, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Scooby-Doo!

SPEAKER_01 22:53

You know, uh I like Scooby-Doo. I think he hangs out with some very diverse friends. Um, he's always up for a snack. I like him for that. He's got kind of a creepy van. Yeah. So I'm gonna say Scooby himself, hero. Okay. Yeah. And actually everybody lady things out.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

How about he's a hero.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Do you?

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Yeah. We'll find out though, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Maybe. Maybe how about Elizabeth Taylor?

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Fucking hero.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

I think so. She did a lot of uh stuff for AIDS and uh she was married like 400 times? Uh like seven, which is 400 and anybody else's years.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Uh um John Malkovich.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Um, I personally like him. I don't know if he's a hero, but I think he's a a weird guy that I like to watch on movies.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

He's always interesting on the movies.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

He seems like he could be a dick.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

That's why I was like uh yeah, I guess he well, I don't know. I mean, I I guess we need to ask somebody who's worked with him.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Yeah. You think we could maybe get someone on the next podcast interview?

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Let's work on that.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Who's he worked with? Jim Carrey. Wasn't he in eternal sunshine of a spotless one?

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

No, wait, he wasn't in that, was he?

SPEAKER_01 24:34

I don't know. Well, we should talk to Jim Carrey anyway. He'd be interesting. He'd probably do the dick. So let's use him for our last one. And I used to think he was kind of a dick.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Who, Jim Carrey?

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Yeah, because his movies are stupid, but not all of them are stupid. Pet detective. I'm talking cable guy. Yeah, cable guy.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Bruce Almighty. Liar liars kind of tough.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yeah, even those are I mean, yeah, I get a couple laughs out of it, but um, and then he was in that uh movie about uh Andy Kaufman.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Oh yeah, yeah, that was good. What about I'm in love with Philip Morris?

SPEAKER_01 25:16

I don't think I've seen that.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Okay. So yeah, he used to be a dick, and now he's a hero.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

I think he's a heroic dick.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

I think he hasn't done a movie in long time.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Is that him coming right now?

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Well, coming. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

I think it's going.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

It probably is, and I'm illegally parked.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Maybe they're bringing the donuts across the street. My last one is Susan Sarandon.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Uh, I like Susan. I think that um she says what she wants and what she means. She's not gonna bullshit you. And she owns ping pong clubs. How can you not like a person who owns a ping pong club?

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Oh, I think she's a hero. I like Tim too. Tim Robbins.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Well, they're not married anymore.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

I know, but they're like peanut butter and jelly. Okay. They go together. Is that how it goes? Well it doesn't matter. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Alright.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Oh, yeah, 2010. Okay. Shit, that's pretty good. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Alright. Next time. Bye-bye.