Hero or Dick
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Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick, Ep. 5 - Cartoon Duos
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Join Kate and KJ for Episode 5 of HERO or DICK as they discuss cartoon favorites! The dynamic duos of Fred and Barney, Bugs and Elmer, and Garfield and Odie are discussed. They also get off on a tangent about flags, Idiocracy, and try to land a few sponsors. Thanks for tuning in and enjoy!
Okay. Welcome to Hero or Dick. This is episode five. This is KJ.
SPEAKER_01Wait, Kate. Is it five already? Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it looks like it's five. Last one, yeah, was King Charles.
SPEAKER_01Oh, the king, yeah. Doing a good job, Chuck.
SPEAKER_00Chuck. Chuck Bock.
SPEAKER_01Don't do his name. I won't.
SPEAKER_00Crowd out there watching today.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, yeah.
SPEAKER_00We've got fans. So anyway. Everything else good?
SPEAKER_01Everything's yeah, wonderful.
SPEAKER_00That's good.
SPEAKER_01Because today is cartoon day. I love cartoons.
SPEAKER_00Me too.
SPEAKER_01And the cartoons, though, that I love aren't kitty cartoons. They, you know, they they build them as such, but they weren't.
SPEAKER_00What do you mean? The ones we watched?
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, I shouldn't say that because the first Hero were dick people, Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble, that was a prime time show. It wasn't for kids.
SPEAKER_00It was No, it was pretty adult.
SPEAKER_01It was very adult themed. And it was kind of based on the honeymooners.
SPEAKER_00Yep, sure was.
SPEAKER_01Um, let's see, what year was it on? It was on ABC from 1960 to 66. That's why you get so many reruns on it.
SPEAKER_00And I think it was the longest running cartoon show aside from The Simpsons.
SPEAKER_01Until The Simpsons, which I love them too. We're going. Um, and so yeah, it was uh based on the honeymooners. Um, well, Fred. Oh, Fred. You know, he's just a short-tempered, know-it-all, blowhard. And I don't think this is gonna come as a surprise to anyone when I call him a dick.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, I would I went into it thinking he was just a dick. But then I started thinking he's a lot like man, I got toothpaste on my shirt. But anyway, he's a lot like um the male figures in my life when I was younger.
SPEAKER_01In the 60s? Well, you were you know, like just short views, get mad at everything, manipulate their wives. Is he a product of his society?
SPEAKER_00Well, it's a cartoon. So but the guys making it, were they poking fun at those guys, or was it like a real depiction of a family?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no. I mean, he was loving when he wanted to be to his wife and kid. Um, but and he was based on Jackie Gleason from the honeymooners who was a dick.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wilma said there was an episode called Little Bam Bam.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00And uh, did you research that at all about Barney and what's her name? Betty.
SPEAKER_01Barney and Betty.
SPEAKER_00And how they couldn't have children. And have a baby. And so little bam bam episode. And it was a big thing about how Barney. I remembered it now too. They were having trouble going through with the adoption, and so he was going to a bridge or a mountain. He was gonna commit suicide because it was pretty dark. Oh my god, yeah. And so there was that's pretty dark. Yes, it was very dark. And guess who saved him?
SPEAKER_01Fred.
SPEAKER_00Fred.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00So anyway, but uh Wilma did say in that episode to Fred, you're jealous, thoughtless, loudmouth, overbearing, quick-tempered, possessive, but not a heel.
SPEAKER_01So but he did save Barney, so he's got some redeeming qualities, but I'm still gonna say overall he's a dick. I remember the first time we we had the we had a video tape of it, and we're like, Jenna, come and watch this with us. This is what we watched when we were kids. And Jenna's maybe like, I don't know, eight or ten. And we watch it, and she goes, That guy's an asshole. Yeah, he's so mean to his best friend. Why would he be so mean to his best friend? Barney, Barney's just so loyal to Fred. Yeah, you know, he giggles everything off, he's always optimistic, happy go lucky.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Fred's kind of talk him into stuff, and Barney would be like, I don't know, Fred, and then he'd be like, Okay, what are we gonna say, buddy? Okay.
SPEAKER_01Go ahead, you can so I say Barney's a hero because he puts up with that. Maybe he's the dummy, but he's pretty smart.
SPEAKER_00Um, one thing that they also brought up about Fred is he was one of the first characters to be body shamed because of his weight over and over again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they did always make fun of him for being fat. And by today's standards, he's not even a good thing.
SPEAKER_00But it was interesting because they promoted Winston cigarettes. Oh, you know, that was the 60s. Yeah, they advertised. I just thought it was fascinating the stuff uh uh that took place in TV back then, you know, kind of like in life, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Well, and it was made for adults, sixties adults, and they did have a lot of uh kind of sly jokes that were thrown in that would go over the kids' heads. Because in one episode I know that Fred and Barney were talking about the waitress's tomatoes.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I mean, you know, not PC today, but then it was fine.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01And overall, I do like the show. Yeah, they jumped the shark when they got that little what was the little guy who sat he was like a the alien dude? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and only Fred and Barney could see him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The heck was his name. Maybe they were doing C B D C B D oil, THCs, Delta 8.
SPEAKER_01They had some gummies.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, they were drinking cac, what was it called? Cact Cactus Cactus juice. Yeah. Yep. Uh and it actually went on to inspire an orange pineapple flavored soda in the 60s. Did you know?
SPEAKER_01Oh. You could get a hold of a can of that. You can settle it on eBay.
SPEAKER_00They uh like to hit the hard stuff at the water buffalo lodge.
SPEAKER_01At the lodge, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's interesting.
SPEAKER_01I mean, it was fun to watch how they made all the uh inventions, Stone Age, you know, the car, of course, and in the drive-in and just everything and how they had like all their kitchen stuff where like birds and well yeah, and I read some stuff, of course, now because people look back with their woke wokeness.
SPEAKER_00Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm glad people are mindful and aware and all that jazz, but how they um abused animals. And I'm like, oh my god. It's a fucking cartoon.
SPEAKER_01It was a stone age, they were told they were not worried about PC. And they yeah, they didn't have anything else. They had to use that bird for a can opener because they didn't have a real can opener.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00I mean what was interesting is doing the research on Fred and Barney and Wilma and Betty and all that, it was really cool. Um, but you you really like I was hoping to find like some scholarly article on the relationship between Barney and Fred and somebody did a thesis on the case. You would think someone has, you know. I'm sure not yet. It's a college course somewhere, probably, you know, the fine stuff.
SPEAKER_01Probably.
SPEAKER_00But uh, so you kind of have to go on what you remember from watching it, and you know, yeah, Fred is a dick. Yeah, he has some glimmers in there of goodness, but most of the time he's out for himself. He is very selfish, and Barney, poor Barney.
SPEAKER_01Barney is hanging out with him because he's his neighbor, yeah, next door neighbor, best friend.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so Fred, hero. No, Fred, Dick, Barney, hero. Okay. Alright. Okay, the next cartoon is one of my favorites. Bugs Bunny.
SPEAKER_00Never watched it.
SPEAKER_01Bugs Bunny slash. He has a few that you could go with because he Bugs? Bugs has been around a while, but um Bugs Bunny Elmer Fudd.
SPEAKER_00When I was a kid, I went through some different stages with Bugs. I thought he was kind of a dick sometimes, the way he treated he was kind of a jerk, you know what I mean? But when it comes up against Elmer Fudd, the Nimrod.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Um He's a hero.
SPEAKER_01I mean, look at Well, he's trying to kill him, Elmer.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, and he actually he he does it in one episode, right? When they switch roles, it's like this role reversal thing.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I don't remember that anymore.
SPEAKER_00He actually kills Bugs and is really sad about it. But then Bugs somehow comes back to life. It's a cartoon.
SPEAKER_01So um I like Bugs. He's just so iconic. He's uh he was originally called Happy Rabbit, and he was white and didn't have teeth. But I'm glad they changed him to what he looks like now. And maybe that's just because that's the picture that I have in my mind, you know. He is smart and funny and sexy as a male or female bunny. He can go either way, and everybody either wants to be Bugs Bunny or be with Bugs Bunny. Yeah, sometimes he does dickish moves, like a lot of people, but like I said, he has to outsmart that guy with a gun. So I give him that. Um you know he has some other quote-unquote enemies. Daffy Duck, he and Daffy Duck didn't get along well. Uh, Yosemite Sam. Did anyone get along with him?
SPEAKER_00No. I bet you Fred Flintstone would have.
SPEAKER_01Probably. Um, and Marvin Martian. Another one that he yeah, he had to 6'8 modulator or whatever it was. Yeah, I like Marvin Martian, but you know, Bugs and he were and the only character to outsmart Bugs was do you know what it was? The turtle.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01A couple of times they'd throw that turtle in there. Specifically, you know, they take on the um rabbit versus a hare, or tortoise vs. a hare, fairy tale, or maybe it's an Aesop fable, I'm not sure. But um, he is the only one who really got the best of Bunny or Bugs Bunny.
SPEAKER_00Um, some interesting things that I learned uh Mel Blank, you know, he was the voice of Bugs forever. Um and then he actually ate carrots while recording the lines. You know what I mean? And then uh he got into an accident um in the 60s or 70s, 60s I guess it was, and he was in coma, and he wasn't responsive. And then they asked, they talked to him in the voice like his characters, and he talked back like he was Bugs Bunny. No shit.
SPEAKER_01Really? Yes, oh well, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was pretty cool. Um, they asked him, How are you feeling today, Bugs Bunny? And he answered, Eh, just fine, Doc. How are you? So it kind of helped him get out of his coma. Which is a good thing.
SPEAKER_01So Bugs Bunny saved life.
SPEAKER_00He's a goddamn hero. Um he was the first character to be on a stamp.
SPEAKER_01Bugs.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh. Okay. Um that's pretty monumental.
SPEAKER_00And he was on TB Guide's list of greatest cartoon characters of all time.
SPEAKER_01I believe that.
SPEAKER_00The big competition was between Mickey and Bugs, Mickey Mouse and Bugs, who was the most popular during that time.
SPEAKER_01I'm a Bugs. Would you rather Bugs or Mickey? Yeah. I say Bugs, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And did you know that uh Elmer Fudd was based on an earlier career called character called Egghead, and he turned up in Daffy Duck cartoons. Um and then he kind of uh metamorphosized over time and became Elmer.
SPEAKER_01And it was interesting to see how they did uh how Bugs morphed into Bugs Bunny, Porky Pig too. Porky was the first one to hunt Bugs Bunny. That's kind of weird. You got a pig hunting a bunny? I don't know. Okay.
SPEAKER_00That's cool.
SPEAKER_01Um and Elmer, you know, he's kind of just a dummy with a gun. And he's almost too stupid to be a dick, but yet Yeah, I don't even know if he, you know.
SPEAKER_00There was there were episodes too, at least one of them, where he uh said that he he doesn't hunt rabbits for the meat, he hunts them for the sport because he's a vegetarian or something like that.
SPEAKER_01So he's just doing it to Bug Bug Bugs Bunny.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, my favorite, favorite Bugs Bunny is the rabbit of Seville.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_01Where he has a salad on his head, uh on Almer's head, and he's the clippers as a snake and the barber chair, race to the top, they're like racing, and then they get um then he mows his beard too. I love when he gets the little mower out. And then they I don't know how it turns into this. Then he's giving them gifts, all of a sudden they're engaged, and then they get married. Yeah, sure. Why not end it like that? At least they loved each other in the end, maybe pretty progressive if you think about it.
SPEAKER_00The whole sexual themes there with bugs.
SPEAKER_01Well, you did like to dress up like a woman. He was not afraid to.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I don't know. I really did like I not too long ago I got like some subscription Cartoon Network and was watching all those again. Man, that's are great. What's the one where his rabbit hole gets flooded? Remember? And I couldn't tell if it really got flooded or if it was a dream and he's floating along the river. Remember he's sleeping on his bed, snoring?
SPEAKER_01Maybe it was dream. He dropped the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00Maybe.
SPEAKER_01So I say Bugs is a hero. Oh yeah. And Elmer, you know, I can't quite call him a dick.
SPEAKER_02No, he's not either a hero or a dick.
SPEAKER_01He's he's too stupid to be a dick.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Man, there's a lot of those people, and I still call them a dick.
SPEAKER_00So you're kind of dick if you're that dumb, I guess.
SPEAKER_01I guess.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01Well, better be careful. Sometimes he has good intentions. He did marry the rabbit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But he also wanted to kill the rabbit.
SPEAKER_00Kill the rabbit. Was that one that you're talking about where Bugs is the orchestra conductor too?
SPEAKER_01And he keeps It's different. That's a different one, but that's a great one too.
SPEAKER_00He leaves the column.
SPEAKER_01And he leaves him just hanging. That is a good one. He gets his revenge. Pull a gun on me. We'll see what I can do with you.
SPEAKER_02Alright.
SPEAKER_01Alright, so our last cartoon characters are Garfield and Odie. And you, being a child of the 80s, must know a lot about Garfield, I'm guessing.
SPEAKER_00I don't know as much as my brother Kevin would. He loved Garfield.
SPEAKER_01Cassidy was a huge Garfield fan. It was on Saturday mornings, I know, when you were a kid.
SPEAKER_00I you know, I never was a big Garfield fan. I don't know why. I liked Odie more than I liked Garfield. I kind of felt bad for Odie.
SPEAKER_01Odie's, yeah, kind of derived but stupid. But he was happy about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, lovable but stupid, but happy, but stupid. So I say a hero. Unless you would have to deal with Odie every day, which Garfield did, so Garfield probably thinks he's a dick. And Garfield, you know, I don't know. He's smart but cynical. Sometimes knows it all. And sometimes all that smart just comes off as dickish. To be fair, he is the smartest living thing in his house. You know, uh John, his owner is not not the brainiest guy. No. Um and then he's got Odie, and then uh there's a kit in there too. Normal?
SPEAKER_00Normal.
SPEAKER_01Normal. And then uh the only one he can really talk to, Garfield can really talk to is Pookie, is Teddy Bear.
SPEAKER_00That's right. Oh god. Um there Garfield did care a lot for Odie. Um when Odie was captured by the dog catch dog catcher in one episode, um, and Garfield was getting all teary remembering Odie and whatnot.
SPEAKER_01Well, and if you get to the later ones, not and certainly not the printed comics, or not the printed comics I've seen, you know, like with the Christmas specials and all that, then they make Garfield, you know, be kind of cynical, cynical, and then oh, and then, you know, uh, then they turn them into being, you know, um I don't know what the word is for it. Well, like there's a big character change at you know yeah, so he kind of regrets it and then he feels remorseful, I guess. And you know, but that's the that's the that's the TV version. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Not the regular TV show, but like the the Hollywood, uh, you know, not Hollywood ones, but uh like Christmas and I'm sure he has a Halloween one.
SPEAKER_00Yep. I did like the books. You know, you get the like the eight and a half by eleven landscape size flip through them. Those are pretty cool. And I guess you think about it, they did depict Garfield correctly, like a cat. A cat just doesn't give a shit, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And uh just kind of like eh, eat, sleep. He always was knocking Odie off the table or whatever. That was pretty funny. There was good stuff.
SPEAKER_01I think he is depicted as a cat, a true cat, because cats are basically like that. Yeah. Although Normal then was all this cute little kitten, you know. And sometimes you do get a cat like that who wants to be cuddled and loved and attention when whenever.
SPEAKER_00Male cats are like that. A lot of them. They like the love.
SPEAKER_01Hmm.
SPEAKER_00The ones we've had anyway. Where the females are like, eh.
SPEAKER_01I guess I haven't noticed in between the two sexes so much, it's just cats are they'll give you what they got when they feel like it. And if you're if you're ready, cool. And if you're not, well, they're not going on your schedule.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. You kind of just have to do what they want when they want. Especially if they want food at 532 in the morning every morning, which I experience over and over again. 532? 532.
SPEAKER_01Time to eat.
SPEAKER_00One on my feet, and the other one, you know, parkour where people jump off walls and stuff while we have a cat that does that to me. She jumps up on my body, smacks me, gets down, then she smacks me in the head.
SPEAKER_01Time to eat.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. She's old.
SPEAKER_01So what if you leave food out? Oh, well, they just eat it. It's already out. They just need fresh stuff.
SPEAKER_00And she insists that she has to have soft food. Oh. And she's like, she may have died already, and it's just her body walking around the house.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00She's sticky on the floor. She would do that to you. She would just keep eating, and that's all she does is eat and eat and eat.
SPEAKER_01Um, I know my sister-in-law had uh uh the auto feeder for her cat because if you put down, you know, a pound of food, it would eat a pound of food. I'll just sit here and eat it till it's gone.
SPEAKER_00It's impressive.
SPEAKER_01And so it would learn it learned the sound though.
SPEAKER_00You know, when it was so go running.
SPEAKER_01And it would go running. Yay, time to eat.
SPEAKER_00We got this little one. We put food out for him, and he's not a pig. He doesn't eat much, just eats what he needs and off he goes.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I guess every cat's different.
SPEAKER_00And Odie. I think he nails the dog. You know, dogs kind of get that, like doo-doo doo doo. Yeah. But I don't know, is Odie a dick though?
SPEAKER_01Uh no, I don't think so. I think he is You're kind of a hero. Um, I don't know. Like I said, if you had to live with him every day, he might. Yeah. You you might change your mind on it. But I think he's just kind of, you know, happy to be there. Happy to do whatever, like a lot of dogs are.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They're just happy. Tell me what to do, I'll do it.
SPEAKER_00What was the wonder what what was the deal with the lasagna?
SPEAKER_01I just love lasagna.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01But you're right, that was a that's a fact.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. And then he was always making fun of John when he was going on his dates. Remember John would be like, give him some self-copy. Oh, good stuff. But I don't know, overall.
SPEAKER_01I'd say, you know, yeah, he's fat and lazy. Yes. But he's not a dick because he's too lazy to try that hard to be a dick.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_01Right. So that's how I feel about Garfield.
SPEAKER_00Who do you like the most out of all the
SPEAKER_01Of all the favorite cartoon, yeah. The three um that is tough.
SPEAKER_00You're Flintston's.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna say I well, just for the nostalgia value, um, but I really like Bugs Bunny cartoons.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think that whole um Hannah not Hannah Barbera, that's uh that's Fred and Barney. Um Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers. I think that era of cartoons is probably the best era of cartoons. I don't like like the old ones, and I'm not really nuts about Mickey Mouse cartoons or any any of those Disney characters. Um, you know, they're they get a little too schmalzy for me, they're too sentimental. And that Mickey's voice just creeps on you for a while, you know. And I think Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fodd, and you know, those characters are more real to people.
SPEAKER_00They dealt with some issues like war.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Was a really big deal.
SPEAKER_01Um Yeah, because then they probably had the shorts that were at theaters, you know, for war bonds.
SPEAKER_00I saw the there was one talking about the propaganda film that you use Bugs Bunny and about the Japanese and yeah, they get pretty racist. Yeah, that was pretty bad.
SPEAKER_01But because then you could.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, was after the bomb.
SPEAKER_01And that was, yeah, that was how they got people to be more American.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Now you just put an American flag on the back of your allowed pickup truck and drive around.
SPEAKER_01Does that mean you're more American? I think it does. It does it? Oh, okay. Sadly, it makes it I think it takes away from the American flag when you do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, and it's like I know I live in America. I'm thankful every day I wake up in it. I you don't need to run your big truck along around with your flag in the back. Spitting your chewing tobacco out the window, throwing your cigarette butts out the window.
SPEAKER_01Well, usually there's some other flags with that American flag. Yeah. That's not American. No, it's a Merkin.
SPEAKER_00Merkin.
SPEAKER_01Merkin. Um, there's probably a don't tread on me.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_01Or uh the ever-popular Confederate flag. Oh my god, yeah. Which has really changed.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that should be a whole other episode. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, I guess it would be a different episode. But it's just interesting because I don't think people don't think about other people. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00They think, I'm gonna do this because who I am.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I want everyone to know who I am.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna show who I am.
SPEAKER_01I am who I don't care who you are.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't give a shit who you are.
SPEAKER_01I did notice that you guys had a pride flag out. Good for you.
SPEAKER_00Love wins. That's Brook and Jag.
SPEAKER_01Is that what it says on it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Brooke and Jovi's flag. I don't I could carry either way if there was a flag out.
SPEAKER_01Um I just think they're pretty, the pride flags.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, being an artist too, there's a lot of color in the flag. Every color. Yeah. And why not? We have friends.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I like American flags too. I love the British flag, of course, too. I like the big boss in it. When um Jenna went to China, we bought a Chinese flag on that for a while. That probably wasn't popular with people either. But you know what? That was, you know.
SPEAKER_00Well, sometimes I do get that aspect of it. The people with their Trumper flags and all that stuff. Let them fly your flag. I don't give a shit. As long as you're not gonna get mad at other people for flying theirs. True. Right? And we have a whole basket of different flags. There's some pride flags, I think there's some other holidays. Got the Christmas, got the east, all that crap, but we got this really cool Halloween one with like Freddie Krueger and Jason on it for Halloween. It's really not like a family-friendly flag, but I love putting that one out.
SPEAKER_01Does that mean you want trick-or-treaters, or should trick-or-treaters stay away from you?
SPEAKER_00I like them. It was fun when we moved into the house right before Halloween, and I dressed up like a werewolf, and I was in the top window, and as kids came up, I was running back and forth in the window. They were loving it out there. So it was fun.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And I don't think that happens as much as it should.
SPEAKER_00What's that? Trick-or-treating?
SPEAKER_01Well, traditional trick-or-treating like that. I have another friend who dresses up and hands out candy, dresses up scary. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know. It's I don't know, it's kind of fun.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
unknownGood.
SPEAKER_01Well, I'm glad you live in town and can do it. Now, one more thing about cartoons. The one cartoon that we decided not to talk about, so just everybody think about it on your own. Smurfs.
SPEAKER_00Smurfs, yes.
SPEAKER_01What is up with them?
SPEAKER_00You know, I don't know. I've been watching some stuff on the Duggar family. Colts.
SPEAKER_01Oh, do you think it's a good one?
SPEAKER_00So I'm wondering if they're a cult.
SPEAKER_01Well, they're definitely interbred because they're all blue, right? Right, right.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_01So, yeah, just talk amongst yourself.
SPEAKER_00They live in mushrooms.
SPEAKER_01We had a video game of them. The fucker was hard. Oh my gosh. It was like it was a Sega game, and it should have been so easy. Sometimes you just had to jump over this log, and every time that log, boom, would knock you down.
SPEAKER_00Was it like Mario or something? But Smurfs?
SPEAKER_01But Smurfs. Yeah. Plus it was Sega, so it's like do do do do do. And I mean it was so simplistic, and it's like, you just jump over this log and no, die every time.
SPEAKER_00No kidding.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, maybe that's why I'm better against the Smurfs.
SPEAKER_00I liked we watched the Smurfs a lot. That dude was scary.
SPEAKER_01That Gargamoyle? Gargamoyle. What's that cat? And he had the cat, uh Dell. Um Ezrael?
SPEAKER_00Ezmerelda. No.
SPEAKER_01Ezreal or something. Ezreal. Ezrael. Scary too.
SPEAKER_00I remember my neighbors loved that. That live next door. Boy and girl next door. Man, we talk about it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What a weird concept, dog. It's really weird. Yeah. Papa Smurf is 543 years old.
SPEAKER_00Seems accurate. Huh. It's biblical.
SPEAKER_01I guess. I don't know. I I just let's not talk about that.
SPEAKER_00No, why 543? 345. 543.
SPEAKER_01Maybe it's maybe it is something biblical. 543.
SPEAKER_00Add them up as what? 12? 1 and 2 is 3.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. You could you could make something out of it. Whatever we wanted to.
SPEAKER_00So is that what we're we're gonna do next?
SPEAKER_01Uh I don't know yet. No, I don't think so. Space out the cartridge. I don't think so. I think yeah. I I those smirks just freak me out. Do you have a fast five? Oh shit. I forgot. Well, I have one for us for sure. So let me just throw some at you while you're writing down yours. Yeah, I don't even know who. How about Clint Eastwood?
SPEAKER_00Hero.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I overall I think a hero, but um man, he's he's got some real. Movie-wise, professionally hero. Personally dick. Um how about Chevy Chase? You know what? I just said this. I think that goes for him too. Movie-wise hero. But personally dick. Um, and remember uh when uh we kind of put this one off, but um one uh is a that is a total hero is somebody who just passed away. It's Tina Turner.
SPEAKER_00Oh yes.
SPEAKER_01Um what that lady went through and persevered and came back more than one time, uh, I say hero all around.
SPEAKER_00I say he's she's a hero too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, I did hear that King Charles uh right after she passed away, he must have thought so too, because he let the band of the Welsh Guards play Simply the Best. Are you serious? During the changing of the guard in front of the palace. Really? On the Friday that after she passed away. That's pretty cool. So man, if you aren't a hero to that, come on. Alright, here's another one. How about uh I have two more George Washington? It's kind of deep, but George Washington. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Number number one?
SPEAKER_01Number one.
SPEAKER_00Well, he's a hero.
SPEAKER_01Probably. I don't I guess I don't. I'm sure he's done some dick moves. Well, yeah, don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER_00When I look, I try to find the dick stuff on people because that's you know. Yeah. I mean, we have probably four people that listen to this, and that's why they listen.
SPEAKER_01That's why.
SPEAKER_00Gotta keep giving them the dirt. Oh, that reminds me. Oh, do you have another one? I have one more. Do it.
SPEAKER_01Uh, and then I got all my five oh uh Christopher Columbus. Dead silence.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he's I'll just say hero.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I'm not gonna do it.
SPEAKER_01I think he gets a lot of credit for stuff he really didn't do. Well, you know what? But does that mean you're a dick? No, it probably just means history is inaccurate.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So you ever drink these?
SPEAKER_01Stari.
SPEAKER_00Sugar-free? Oh, I like sugar free. Caffeine-free. It's got all kinds of things in it, probably will give me a few.
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SPEAKER_00Yeah, they're one of our sponsors, starry. Caffeine-free, sugar-free, lemon lime-flavored soda.
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unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00What we were just talking about, you said something, and I said, Oh, it reminds me. Oh, the dirt. Finding the dirt on it.
SPEAKER_01The dirt, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Algorithms and how whatever you're looking at on your phone, that's what just, you know, keeps popping up. It was interesting because my mom was reading some headlines on her phone, and Julian went over there with me, and uh, my mom was reading some of the headlines on there, and Julian's like, I said something like algorithms. He's like, Yeah, grandma. Something like, we can tell what kind of news you're seeing because it's popping up on your phone, you know. But that's everything we do now is just tracked and regurgitated to us. Did you see Idiocracy?
SPEAKER_01Oh yes, I did.
SPEAKER_00God, I didn't like that movie the first two times I watched it.
SPEAKER_01I didn't like it either, but it's coming true now. It sucks. And that's very scary. The more you The more you and then you know, I find myself looking at my phone, it's like, God, do I really want to do I want to know that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, if I oh, I'll just Google it. Oh, maybe I don't want to. Because I don't want to continue to get shit on, you know, Christopher Columbus or whoever. Right.
SPEAKER_00Um just the fact that nobody has to do any work now.
SPEAKER_01Well, and it's this annoying too. You know, I Googled tiny houses just to look at a floor plan. Cassidy and I were talking about it every day now. Tiny house this, tiny house that, tiny house this, tiny plan. I just wanted it. Well, I don't know, they keep telling me I need one. Put it on the lot next to you. No paper.
SPEAKER_00I should well, no, it's sold. Somebody owns it. There was a lot over there we looked at a year or two ago. It was nice. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01There's some nice lots out there. There uh there's a lot of houses going up there now. Okay, go with your fast pipe. We're already at 30 minutes.
SPEAKER_00We're over we're over time here. The sponsors don't pay for the extra minutes. You said Tina. I have a Tina.
SPEAKER_01Tina Faye. Oh, I I love her, so she's a hero in my book. Johnny Cash. Love him too. Paul Inka.
SPEAKER_00I guess I don't know enough about him. You might have to learn. I like him now. I love the guy. It's Jason Bateman's father-in-law.
SPEAKER_01No way. Yeah. Oh, I did not know that.
SPEAKER_00You know Jason, he hangs out with us quite often.
unknownYes.
SPEAKER_00He comes up in conversation quite often. He does. Oh, he should. I think I could.
SPEAKER_01He does have a podcast too, so maybe he would like to visit us.
SPEAKER_00I'm starting to worry because we watched his movie last night.
SPEAKER_01Oh. I like that. Now you'll get a bunch of stuff on your phone about him. Yeah. I'll put it. Well, invite him to our podcast. You never know. He might show up. He's cool enough that he would.
SPEAKER_00We could do a screening of Teen Wolf 2.
SPEAKER_01I think there's already been a two. We would have to do three. Yeah, well. Oh, do the screening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can come on and promote it to our three people who listen. Four. Four people.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Madonna.
SPEAKER_01You know, I like Madonna. I don't love all her music. I don't love every single thing she does, but I say that woman has worked hard in her life to get where she is and to get what she wants. And she wants what she wants and she does what she wants. So I say a hero.
SPEAKER_00Longevity.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Yeah. And she still looks good. I know they were ragging on her. Oh, Madonna. You know, that lady's over 60 years old, and she looks way better than most people I know. So leave her alone.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then Oh, he's got a young boyfriend. Yeah, good for her.
SPEAKER_00This one will be this one you'll like, Tom Morello.
SPEAKER_01I love him too. You picked all my heroes, didn't you? Did you just look at my phone? I do love Tom Morello, if only for one fact that he has on his serious show, he and his 99 and a half-year-old mother do the show. Hey, it's Tom Morello. And she get I don't know her name. She gets on there though, and she's just hilarious. Oh Tom. Remember that mom when I was smoking weed in the basement? Oh Tommy.
SPEAKER_00Hopefully she's still alive and he's just not replaying the same things over and over.
SPEAKER_01I think we would hear about it from him. He's gonna be devastated when she dies. But I do love him anyway. I love his politics. I love everything about him. I loved him with long hair and no hair and short hair.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I like it because even if there's some people that even if you don't agree with their politics and stuff, the way they present it, and they're like, take it or leave it, I don't give a shit. You like that. They're not just like you have to do this, you have to do this. One thing I don't like is he likes to talk about himself a lot.
SPEAKER_01Well, I was gonna say, if anything is that uh he has a bit of an ego, but you know what? He's in show business and who can play the guitar like that? And you gotta you gotta be like that, I think. He does like to talk about himself, but you know what? I like to hear about him.
SPEAKER_00So it works for it. See? It works for me. Alright.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so you we'll wrap it up for this one, and we'll number six will be on its way soon.
SPEAKER_00Right on. All right, goodbye, everybody.
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