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Is it number six?

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Alright. Welcome to uh what's that?

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I didn't do this break.

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I forgot to do my five again.

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Oh, okay. Well think about it while you're going.

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Welcome to uh our unprepared podcast. It's episode six. We're still in our first season.

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No, I have a hard time believing that you you don't like I I mean like the past five is my favorite. I probably come up with this.

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In fact, I did come up with And I forgot to do my list of people that I did before.

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Oh, okay. Well we'll get it. We'll have to somebody'll have to listen to the actually listen to the podcast and get it. I can do that.

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So today's topic, kind of still um hanging on the cartoon theme, yeah, is Walt Disney. Walt Disney. Some people might not have heard of him. Maybe you can explain who it is.

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That's the thing about him, right? Who hasn't heard of Disney?

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Yeah.

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I mean, people who don't speak English, who don't even have TV or or any anything, they know what Disney is because of Walt Disney. Because he had a vision. Well, he had a lot of visions, too. He had a lot of ideas, and I think that you know, the more ideas you have, the more you have crash, too. Which he did have that.

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Yeah. He really did. It was interesting because it was really, really driven. And it's easy, you know, you can find bad things about anybody, especially somebody that high profile. But it's like when somebody's that driven, you're gonna have things that are gonna rub people the wrong way. Yes. Because you have, like you said, a vision, the way you want things to do. And I know some people said that he would bring down the hammer sometimes, hard meetings and stuff. I'm like, well, that's why they're successful.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's like but it didn't always work for him either. I mean, it it um he had a lot of failures too. But like Paul McCartney, he you know, he's written hundreds of songs. Not everyone is is for every single person, you know. It's they're not all yesterday. There's gonna be some that are just I forgot to bring that book back.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

I didn't read it yet, but Brooke read it. Oh Beetlebone.

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The Beetle Bone. Yeah, yeah. That's fine. You can keep it or pass it on.

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But yeah, too, if he didn't have failures, you need failures because you don't get better.

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And he said, in fact, the one quote that I wrote down, he said, All the adversity I've had in my life, all the troubles and obstacles have strengthened me. Yeah. You may not realize it when it happens, but a kick in the teeth may be the best thing in the world for you.

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That is perfect.

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And I think everybody can kind of relate to that. If you think of something that at the time you thought was tragic and horrible, and then in the end it was it be it ended up being a good thing, like losing a job is what I'm thinking about.

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Yeah.

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Um, I can remember a couple times losing a job and thinking, well, this is this is horrible, and then the end it was like, no, it wasn't horrible, it worked out great. Yep. So also I think that era that he um was born in, because he was born in 1901 in Chicago, raised in Missouri, fourth son of five. And plus her father was domineering, kind of abusive. And how did Walt escape by drawing?

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Cartoons. Did he I was thinking about the job thing?

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He did lie about his age too, to become an ambulance driver in World War I.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Yes. Which good for you. Well, now what is the thing there? He drew like he would draw things and they put them on the side of the ambulances.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Yeah. Yeah. Or planes. But did they do that on the planes, or is that World War II? Maybe it was just the ambulances.

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Was it now for his jobs? Let's go back. Did he ever yeah, he got fired from a job, a newspaper job, that's what it was, because he lacked creativity. Imagine that. Disney. Have you ever been fired?

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Uh not fired. I've been laid off plenty of times. But I've never went to a job and they went, you gotta leave right now. Yeah, you suck leave. But they probably should've. Oh but they never did. Like, did you ever have you ever gotten fired? No. No.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Never never got laid off either. We're pretty lucky.

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Wow, you are lucky. Have you lived in Alpina ever?

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No.

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Um, yeah, because that's the only place I ever got laid off when I lived here in Alpina. And you just it it it's when I was growing up and got a job, that was just part of it. You just planned for it. Because when downtime speaks because so many of our um yeah, be but so many of our industries here then relied on the auto industry and the auto industry went up and down. And when that went up and down, then the housing industry went up and down too, and so building materials or whatever, if you're you know, wherever you're working. But yeah, you just kind of planned on it.

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So Walt avoided all that because he was gonna take up the manufacturing job in Chicago, and then he went to Kansas City, right? And then that's when he started. But yeah, I envy those people who are like, no, I'm not gonna do that. I know what I want to do, and I'm gonna do it.

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Well, that that he didn't have a family yet either, so he was just a guy then. I mean, just a single guy, I think. That was before his family came along. Because then didn't he and his brother, or his brother was already in California because of health reasons, so he went out there. He really wanted to go to New York. He thought there was more opportunity, but Roy, he was loyal to him, and and that's good. I'm glad he had a family member that he liked because it didn't sound like their parents were no, when his dad kicked the bucket, he didn't even come home from he didn't.

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Yeah, he's like, nah. Yeah, yeah. Actually, during that time was when he was avoiding the whole, he had his mental breakdown. He was crying all the time, he said, because you know it was bothering him to strike. His brother Roy is the one that ironed that all out.

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Mm-hmm. So he did rely on Roy a lot. And actually, when in the end, when he died, I think Roy became, you know, the new Walt. He can't became the CEO, and he was always involved in that too. But maybe we should be talking about Roy Disney. Yeah, you know, that would be he's like the B side of Walt.

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He is, yeah. B side.

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Huh.

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You know, and then um he well, I know I'm jumping ahead. But you know, he kicked the bucket from lung cancer there.

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Well, again, the time he was born, everybody smoked. Yeah, and he smoked. I'm sure he smoked a lot.

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Oh, yeah, they say chain smoke through media.

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I mean, I can see him and every man or almost every man in the and woman in the 50s, uh, you just smoke.

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It was cool, man.

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Yeah. Well, it wasn't bad for you then. Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Well, no, some of it was healthy, you know. Yeah, you could get B vitamins and those things.

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Yeah. You have doctors, you know, saying how healthy it was.

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Doctors were smoking.

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Doctors were smoking, oh yeah. So, I mean, again, he was kind of a sign of his time.

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Well, that's what I was saying. That he uh he he he I liked what he said about I'm Walt Disney, but I'm not Walt Disney because there are things I do that Walt Disney doesn't do. You know what I mean? Like he had that dual life almost. Yeah, so that was pretty fascinating.

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Like Walt Disney as an image and Walt Disney as a human.

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The guy drinking, smoking, drinking.

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He was a great family guy too. He was very good to his family, and he was multi-talented. I mean, he was the animator, a writer, and ended up being the CEO and founder of the the the cartoons, yes, then the theme parks, then the movies, then the TV show. So he had a lot going on. And when I looked back at some of the movies, I mean there you we all know the classics, Lion King Robin, uh Aladdin, Robin Hood, BMB, Winnie the Pooh, the what the latest one, and then there's the newest one out as a remake of uh The Little Mermaid, but he goes so far back too to you know, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves was the first one, the first success. And then what was the first that was the first success, and then he had um a rush of duds like Pinocchio, that was a dud, Fantasia, and Bambi all bombed at the box office.

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But they're great.

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Yeah. There's certainly classics. Um not all of them I love, but I I do like watching them just for the nostalgia of it. I remember um Jenna watching Pinocchio, and she's like, this is just scary. I don't want to watch this.

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It's pretty freaky. It is freaky when you watch boys turning into donkeys and um speaking of Pinocchio and Figaro, the cat, uh-huh, and then um the Cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland, he had a fear of cats.

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Oh, no kidding.

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So that kind of uh filtered into the portrayal of cats in his um movies.

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Okay, Sheshire is a little freaky, but I mean Figaro, he just little cat. I I think there's a song about him.

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His favorite song. Did you get that?

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What was it?

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Waltz, Feed the Birds. Oh, Feed the Birds from Mary Poppins.

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Oh, I don't even know that song. I did read that, but yeah, I don't know. Like every Friday he would come in and I bet it had some whistling in it.

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It did. I believe it did. I thought that was funny. Anyway.

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Um, and then it I when I was surprised when I went back and looked at all the Academy Awards that he won, which in a couple some places said 22, some said 29. Maybe it was just a variance of years. But most of them were for their, and I'm gonna use air quotes here, documentaries. And so, you know, you wonder how much they're staged, but still they were, you know, the living desert, the Alaskan Eskimo. That's what they won for. And there wasn't anybody else making anything like that, so that probably helped them too.

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Song of the South didn't win anything.

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No. No, but you know.

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I'm sorry to bring that up, but it was it was of the time.

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It was of the time. And yes, we know now that it's politically incorrect, but you know, at the time it wasn't, and so that's what it was. It was what it was. Exactly.

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20, 30, 40 years from now, people are gonna look back at the stuff we're creating now as artists or people in general, and something's gonna be wrong with that. It's called evolution, yeah.

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Yes, yes. And he did, I really think that Disney whitewashed everything because but I think that's what he knew. I don't think he really had um okay, we'll get into the to the anti-Semitism. I mean, that's you hear that rumor about him, and when I went back and looked for actual facts, I didn't find that many. No. He gave um where's that woman's name? Lenny um Lenny Reifenstahl, who was Hitler's filmmaker. She made his propaganda films. And he did give her a tour of his studio just a month after uh the night of broken glass, which is a pretty important night in a Jewish person's life. But he later said, I didn't really know who she was, I should have looked it up at her. Couldn't go. And um he did have a lot of Jewish people working for him and never had an employee accuse him of being anti-Semitic to them at all. So I I I think, you know, it's just um again a small thing that's kind of snowballed, and when people say Disney, they go, oh, he didn't like Jews because they watched I think it's on Family Guy, where they portray him. Um I remember I wish I I should have wrote down the episode. Brian and um uh Stewie go back to Germany and they they're like in this, you know, frolicking in the in the nice um Germany, and then the Jews come out, or then they show Walt Disney version of it, and it's like Snow White killing these Jews or something.

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Oh my god.

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So it's just uh I think it's just perpetuated like that, you know. I don't think there's any real basis of it. However, I do think he whitewashed stuff l because uh, like I said, that's what he knew.

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Yeah, and he um Walt Disney was a member of the Motion Picture Alliance for Preservation of American Ideals that was openly against communism.

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Yes. And he did rat some people out to the House of American Activities Committee. Yeah, he was an FBI the second time around.

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Inform it, wasn't he?

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Um, oh I don't know that one.

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Yeah, he was an undercover cover FBI informer. He provided the bureau with names and information about Hollywood personalities he believed to be involved with comedy.

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And then it was a big, you know, again, it wasn't we know now it's not so what, but um then it was a big deal.

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Well, now you're concerned with the baby eaters, you know. Oh all those actors and actresses are eating babies.

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They are eating babies. Delicious. Um sorry. It's just so crazy to think that anybody would really believe that, but people believe it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay, so uh I just want to touch on the wonderful theme parks too. Because I don't know what they're like now. I only see the feeds where the bad news of you know the Disney World and Disneyland. But we lived in California in the late 60s, and I was young, and we went to Disneyland, and I still remember it, and I was you know, like four or five. Yeah, and it was it was magical. I mean, it was truly magical, and I can remember going there as a family and talking, you know, still talking about it years later. My mom liked to tell us how we went on this one ride and they shrink you into an atom, you know, like on this ride. Yeah, and they shrink you down, and we were convinced that it really happened, yeah. Yeah, and she never told us otherwise.

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Did you shrink?

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Well, it felt like it. So maybe you did. So it was magical, and then we were on um the roller coaster there and the matterhorn. I don't even know what rides are there anymore, and I can remember uh so and then Disney World, my grandparents lived near there, so I went there four or five times, and I didn't take yeah, because they were only an hour away, so we drive, do Disney, take a day off, drive, do Disney. And um, the last time I was there was Cassidy was you know, like five, so she was able to go too. And Jonah got to go with her dear grandparents too. But um, it was magical there too, even if you have to stand in line for an hour to get on a ride. You know, a lot of the rides that I remember are now long gone. Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. That was like the best ride ever. It was terrifying in a good way.

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Mr.

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Toad's Wild Ride.

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So those theme parks, I know, you know, it's on every family's bucket list, and well, not probably not every family, but most families. I mean, you you know, it's um a lot of people have had a really good time there. A lot of people have had a really crappy time there too, probably on the same day.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Yeah, but a lot of those people that probably have good times there have good times everywhere, and the people that were crappy times there have crappy times wherever they are.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

That's true too. But yeah, yeah, that's true too. But still, I mean to give people a whole destination, and then you have Disney World China, which Jenna went to when she was in China and said that was a big deal for people. And then there's one in France, and I think there's one other, and I can't remember what.

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That's amazing.

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That the that culture, and it truly is a culture. And can we just say this guy is a genius about marketing?

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Yep.

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And I don't know who started it for him, if he thought of it, but there is a Disney character on everything in this world. Everything in this world. And I'm hoping that he, I'm thinking they get a percentage of it, unless they're bootlegged, of course, but I mean that is that alone must make billions of dollars for them.

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Oh god, yeah. That they're set, and it's nice because they're they keep perpetuating it, you know. It's not perfect, but the movies and the feel-good stuff. Right. But a lot of those movies weren't feel-good.

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No, B and B.

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Yeah.

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It's nothing feeling good about that.

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No. And I think I mentioned this before, not in this podcast, probably last season's podcast. Maybe not, but the Dumbo movie. That was a bit traumatizing. Because you see, in the I think it was the mom is getting.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, big tears coming from Dumbo.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah. Yeah, there was a lot of uh sadness, but then you know, pro usually the hero prevailed in that movie or in that story.

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There's some speculation about why he um had such an affinity and featured animals so much because it was a young boy and he I think he was out in their garden or something like that. He was about eight, and he found an owl that he thought was either injured or sleeping or whatever it was. This is the way the story goes, is that he went to pick the owl up, he was gonna take it back home, and the owl freaked out and started attacking him, and he chucked the owl out of the ground and stomped it to death. Oh wow. Yeah. And then he said I think he was eight or somewhere in between in that he he felt horrible because he was scared.

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You're right, he was scared.

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Then he just had a switch in his head go off and loved animals, except for cats, apparently.

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But well, it's cats.

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Come on, I like cats.

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I got nothing against them, just don't want one. Uh I've owned them before. But can you really own a cat?

SPEAKER_00 19:34

No, they own you. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Maybe that's why I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah. I'm waiting for ours to die. Just the one so far. Because she, again, this morning, starting at about 4:35 o'clock, she's old. I think I told you. She's we think she's dead, and that she might just be walking around.

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That's just a ghost of a cat.

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Oh, she's bad.

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Yeah.

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And she walks up and down my body, and I keep chucking her off in the morning, and then she just sits right in my face and meows over and over with her rotten breath.

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Her ghostly breath.

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So when I make my animated movies, I might be the demonized cats.

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Okay, it's gonna be the demon, not the hero.

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No.

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But anyway, back to Walt.

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Um the other big thing he did was he um did a TV show that you were probably too young for it to be on, but I mean Sunday night when Walt Disney World.

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Walt Disney World, yeah.

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It is sit down in front of the TV. It's kind of it was bittersweet because it was Sunday night, and after that you had to go to bed.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Didn't they open with a short, like a cartoon or no?

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It depended on the week. And and um what I remember is if you were lucky, you get this cartoon, you know, or you get a documentary, uh, which is still fine, but not as good as a cartoon.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Yeah, I remember that. I remember the wall there was like the one thing about summer vacation or something, and Goofy was going on vacation and driving like an a-hole down the freeway. I just for some pulling a camper for some reason that sticks in my head.

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And Goofy, is he a dog or a person? Or yeah, what is he? He's kind of he's got a kid, where's the mom? We don't know. Yeah, I don't know. He's got he's a whole world. He's a whole podcast. Maybe she was locked in the camper, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:40

We don't locked in there, but well, because Walt Disney, you know, he didn't allow women to do animation.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

No, he didn't.

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He said that women don't do the creative work, and they probably did, but he just didn't know it. Yeah, and again, the gender roles were different, uh yeah, but I mean in here.

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Employ employed women, women who were working there.

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His I don't know what's the correct word. Housekeeper.

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Okay, then it was.

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He left her ultimately 10 million bucks again.

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Yeah, he gave her stacks and she never cashed them in. She just stockpiled them, as probably where it came from. And uh bazillionaire, millionaire. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen to us. Well, I'm not a housekeeper.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

Oh, I have been. Nobody ever left me that. Somebody left me a ten dollar tip one time. Did they really cleaning the room at Holiday Inn? That was like winning the line.

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And look at you remembered it.

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Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

That's fun to do, isn't it? Tip people well if they deserve it.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

If they deserve it, I am not, I will tip well no matter what.

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There was a guy, the Coney Island, you know. I like going there once in a while. I like that. One of Brooks' favorite Brooks, my wife, by the way. I don't know if you knew that.

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Do you get the breakfast or the lunch?

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I always get breakfast.

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Okay.

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Usually Western. I've tried a branch out. I used to get the big breakfast, you know, you get 14 different meats and some eggs, but now I usually get an omelet, hash browns, maybe a side of bacon or whatever. Anyway, so the guy back there is usually just busting his A. Trying to make all this food for all these old coders that are in there. And the one day I gave him a $20 tip and he got teary-eyed. He was like, you know, he was like, I can't believe it. Thank you so much. And I'm like, yeah, thank you, man. I'm not saying that because what, but it's just like if you do little things like that, the appreciation, you don't know what someone's going through during the day. Right. You know, he's sitting there slinging hash thinking, I hate my fucking life. What am I doing?

SPEAKER_02 23:45

And then we get a $20 dip.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

Yeah, then go spend it on crack or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

But just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Coney's one of our sponsors. I don't want to talk bad about it.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

I wish then we can get free food. I like to go at lunch. In fact, I'm going to lunch. I don't know if they're open on Mondays. But if you go at lunch at breakfast, I always get a veggie omelet side of hash browns.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

At Coney?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

That's where you're going today?

SPEAKER_02 24:09

Maybe. I don't know yet. And then, but sometimes for lunch you can get hamburger and a hot dog. Like you're at a graduation party. I can't decide which to get. I'll take both, but you get fries too. Yeah. I like that. A hamburger and a hot dog. It's not like a hamburger's a big giganto thing, but it's good. Get hamburger and a hot dog. You don't have to decide.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

You ever eat a Chi Cheese in Roger City?

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Yes. We were just talking about them.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

You and I were?

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Uh no, yesterday I was talking about them with somebody.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

So we were out at the cottage and we decided to go out for lunch. And we went to Chi Chi's. I'd never been there. And uh the the waitress, the lady was, I mean, it was just it was nice, a great experience. And I had the Chi Chi burger. First of all, I should read. I just read the title. I'm like, the place is called Chi Chi's. You gotta get the Chi Chi burger. They wouldn't name the burger after the place. It was giant. It was like two huge patties, but man, that was one of the best burgers I think I've ever had.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

That was the first place they had the Hawaiian burger where they put pineapple and I think they have bacon on theirs. Shit, that sounds good. So one time Mike and I were in there and he said, Well, what's Chi Chi's? Is it somebody's name? And the the uh girl who was it was a woman who was waiting on us, she said, Yes, my grandma is what we call my grandma. And he goes, Oh, Chi Chi, what is that? Is that Polish or no? She said, Well, it's Polish for um, she got a little flustered and she said it's Polish for large breasts. And that's what we called grandma. I don't know if that's true or not. I never I didn't double check her.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

See, you had the big boob hamburger.

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Yeah, that's awesome. Well, it was a double.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

It was.

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Yeah. But yeah, there's your plug, Chi Cheese.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Chi Chi's, future sponsor.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

They're delicious. They have really good pie, too. They make it all homemade.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Oh, I saw that they had a some pie there, but we were stuffed.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Oh no, you did go.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

What kind of food do they have at Walt Disney? Everything?

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Uh they do have everything, and I have to say, the the times I was there, we always had a good meal. Yeah. Because then you go into Epcot Center and you can pick your country that you're gonna eat at, you know, it's all the countries.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

And then um you can get a meal plan, can't you?

SPEAKER_02 26:22

If you're going uh yeah, you used to be able to, you know. I haven't been there in years. You can stay right on. Yeah, you can stay right there. We always stayed near there, and I always wanted to stay on property. We never did though. But um, this is fun for adults. Uh some adults would say yes, it is. And I think that it would be cool for everybody to just experience it for a weekend, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

But shit spicy.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

It can be spendy, but there's lots of deals too. So you can do it on the cheap, uh, or you can or you can really splash out and spend a lot of money there. Especially like on the all the again, on all the marketing, on all the retail stuff, you know. You have to get one of those. You got t-shirts, you got hats, you got everything. Every single thing, you know, they're selling whatever they can. Mugs and everything. Everything approach clips.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

You think they have a Mickey mouse on a cross?

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Ooh. Maybe. Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Or goofy look would look better. You know?

SPEAKER_02 27:34

For you know, I still have uh like a beer mug that I bought when I was there, oh my gosh, so long ago. So they you can get anything, and it's expensive.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Yeah. Well, you gotta pay those housekeepers a $10 million bonus.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Yeah, just I mean, the stuffed animals alone.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Everywhere. They're everywhere, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

Well, and you can't go into Walmart without seeing a Disney character on somebody who's walking through there in their pajamas. On their, you know, everything. Yeah, on their pajamas.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

I think it's Walmart's.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Oh. Walmart's. Yes, Walmart's.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

You guys should know that by now.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

I should. What how am I even living in northern Michigan?

SPEAKER_00 28:22

What else can we say about him?

SPEAKER_02 28:24

What else do we say? I I think I've wrapped up about him. I I know that's all I know about him. And I will say, I started out thinking that he was kind of a dick. But you know what? The more that I read about him, uh, the more I thought. Yeah, he didn't do everything. I think he made every decision the best he could the time he was making that decision. Um, I don't think he's a racist. I don't think he's anti-Semitic.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

He didn't sound like he was a selfish prick.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

No, I think he was uh a fine family man, he took care of his people who were close to him, and he employed and still they still employ a lot of people. And so I think he's a hero just for the sheer joy that he is purposely and accidentally brought to the world.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Yeah. No, I think he is too. I so much want for some of these people to be dicks, but they're not.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

I know how come we can't find it. We will keep looking.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

But he I liked it because he had that. I think it's rare to be a creative person and then have saviness and intestinal fortitude to make your creativity and your passion into uh your work and not just work, a dynasty. I mean it's right, your life incredibly successful. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

I mean, holy crap, most people have a hard time getting out of bed and going to a job in a well and I think you know, the the if people got knocked down 300 times or rejected that many times, they would give up and he never did.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

No, so I kind of like the fact that he was a dick when he needed to be a dick, you know, because if he wasn't, he wouldn't have been successful. And I think it was important that he went through the whole issue with the strike and learning about that because you know that was a wake-up call for him to be, you know what, there there are some things we need to compromise on. And a lot of people their business would have totally took a crap after that because he could have stuck.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

He could have just said no to everything.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

But but I think too.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

But he didn't.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

That's another good point. The brother Roy. It'd be interesting to see how much he actually was involved and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Yeah, I wish I would have looked at him a little closer because I wonder if he, you know, whenever Walt was trying to be a dick or going to be a dick, Roy went, hey hey, don't be a dick.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

You know, you got that time down pretty good. You must sense the 30 minutes coming.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

You do internally.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

Alright, so here's my five. Okay. Number one, grumpy.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Hero.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Number two, sneezy.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Who?

SPEAKER_02 31:12

Sneezy. You're gonna you see a theme?

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Uh dick.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

I see dick because he sneezes over everything. He doesn't really. Does he carry a handkerchief?

SPEAKER_00 31:23

I don't know. But he should. And he should figure out what's making him sneeze.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

Yeah. Do you have allergies? Do you have COVID? What's up? Figured out. What's up?

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Don't make people suffer. How about sleepy?

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Because he just sleeps wherever the hell.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

And I heard this morning, listening to that horrible, horrible, biased radio station NPR, that the somebody did read there's always someone doing research, that if you nap short naps in the day, a couple, that it keeps your brain the right size. Because if you don't nap or sleep enough and overage, your brain shrinks. So if you nap I believe that, yeah. And I'm thinking, man, I napped three times yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

Oh, see, really smart.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Um, I think you have to the the key is you have to keep it short.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Right.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

You can't sleep for two hours, 20 minutes tops.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Yeah, I can't do 20. Wake up like I'm in a coma. I do 10 to 12 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Okay. Well.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

I can write it down for you if you want.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

All right. Do your own sleep study. Uh uh. Number four is happy.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Christ hero.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

See, I don't know. Or insane. We don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

He's not hanging around with Sneezy, that's why.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

How about Dopey? Oh my god.

unknown 32:39

Well, I think.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

I know, but I can't see he's a dick.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Why? Because he's Dopey?

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Yeah. Maybe he had something. Hero.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

The other two that weren't named were Doc and Bashful.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Uh oh, Bashful. Bashful. He can't be a dick. Unless he's hiding something. And was Doc really a Doc?

SPEAKER_02 33:06

I would like to see his credentials.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

He had glasses.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

That makes you a doctor in the 30s.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

They were round. Right?

SPEAKER_02 33:13

That means you're a PhD. Yes. So we don't know about Doc. I'm bashful.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

You stuck to the cartoon theme.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

I did. Damn it.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

I should have done that. But I've got some ones that we probably mentioned.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Is it going to be Jason Bateman?

SPEAKER_00 33:33

Oh. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

That was number one.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Well, he's not on this list, but we'll have to do him.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Is he yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Because he's been through some stuff.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Well, we'll keep him in mind. We'll put him on the list.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

I remember him talking about a ski trip he went on with some friends. Like when he was younger and, you know, really famous or whatever. And he basically doesn't remember going. They went to like the Swiss Alps and whatever, and he was talking about how strung out they were. But he probably doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Imagine not even remembering a trip.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

I went to Dallas for a week, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Really? Yeah, that's not cool. That's not cool. I always am amazed, you know, you go to a concert and these people who are wasted, it's like you're not gonna remember anything. Right. And you have vomit all over you, too.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

So stinky. Um we were at a wedding this past weekend, and uh that one didn't get too crazy, but I've been at weddings that it's like, what how you people aren't even gonna remember this? Right. A bride and groom, let alone wedding party, everybody else don't.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Was it here?

SPEAKER_02 34:36

No, the wedding was downstate, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Alcoholism's a thing. We can talk about it. It is, it is.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

It's not it's a dick.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Man. I wrote a book about that, if anybody wants to read it.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

What's the name of it?

SPEAKER_00 34:49

Well, it was called It should be called Alcohol's a Dick. It was called Pilgrim's Bay, but then a publisher picked it up and they made me change a few things and they renamed it called Black.

unknown 35:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Available on Amazon.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

And through Red Raw Publishing.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Who is what's your author's name on that one?

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Is it KJ Stevens? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Alright, so who's your five?

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Babe Ruth.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Well, I just watched a movie about him. I think he did a lot of good, but he wasn't really that seemed kind of cantankerous. He was um, I think he was an alcoholic for one thing. And um, but I think he did a lot of good because he was an orphan, I think. Wasn't he an orphan? And then he um did a lot for kids.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

And I mean, so if you can call your shot, yeah, hit the ball.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

And chubby.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Yeah. So right there, I like a fat athlete.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

A fat athlete.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

That gives me hope.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

That's a hero in my book.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Just get up there and crank it.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Fat heroes.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Sure. Um, MLK.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Uh, yeah. There's no negating his good. Right, right. But man, he was not a good husband. Right. So, you know, preach all this, but you know, to have all to be so adulterous.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Yeah. Just um flipping all over.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

I guess, you know, his wife must have known about it, so she's cool with it. I guess I am.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Well, she probably wasn't, but she's like, But what are you gonna do? It's MLK.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

Right. And plus it's the 60s, you can't just you can get a divorce, but then it's like, what am I gonna live on?

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

And then he died.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

That's weird. A lot of dudes were like that. Still are maybe, but like uh Hemingway, you know, he had women and like his wives knew it, and it's like, what the fuck? That's not right, you know.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Yeah, and you know, it's the hypocrisy of it, too. So, how do you think those men would feel if a woman did that?

SPEAKER_00 36:53

She's a whore. Yeah.

unknown 36:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

Get back in the kitchen. That's not me, that's what you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

I know.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

Okay, so James Cameron.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

Little He's cocky, but I like his movies. You most of the movies. Some of his movies are just too cocky to Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

He was on a podcast with Jason Bateman. It wasn't the Smartless Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

Oh, I like that podcast. Isn't there two other guys, Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes and Will Arnett and Will Arnett? Yeah, I like that podcast.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Our sister podcast. Someday they came on after.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Someday. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Um John Ritter.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Well, I liked him, and I think he certainly died too young.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

I mean, you can't. There's not for uh Three's company, although in his day that was funny too.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Oh man, he was a good physical movie.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

Yeah, but uh uh his movies. I mean, you watch what's the one, Blade Runner or Blade with uh Billy Bob Thornton.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

Sling Blade?

SPEAKER_02 38:01

Sling Blade.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

French Fried Tators.

unknown 38:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

First of all, it gave I never watched that because I thought I didn't like Billy Bob Thornton, and then I watched that one day. It was like, well, this opens up a whole new world. And every movie that Billy Bob's in now, it's like, I love you.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Did you see he's an ice harvest, isn't he?

SPEAKER_02 38:21

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Have you seen Ice Harvest? Holy shit, John Cusack is in that.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

Oh, I like him.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Yeah, he's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

He's like Jason Bateman to me. Is him and Jason Bateman? I thought they're BFFs.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

You don't think so?

SPEAKER_00 38:35

John Cusack is quite vocal about many issues. We have some of our fans at the door again. Hi everyone.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Bring us a donut.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Yeah. Um that's a move. Wow, that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

I thought that's really what's going on out there.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

I think they want your autograph.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

Actually, they're probably breaking into my car.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Probably. Steal your Walt Disney memorabilia. Uh and the last one. Teresa Caputo. The Long Island medium.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

I don't know if she's in the I know who she is because her hair is a force.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

And you know, I haven't seen her in a while. What's she been doing?

SPEAKER_01 39:16

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

But um, I kind of like her just for the fact that that she is who she is, and there is no telling her otherwise.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Right.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

And she is unapologetically Teresa.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

Now, I don't know the legitimacy of the Well, I I think in her mind there is a legitimacy to it. I think she sees what she sees and truly believes she's helping people. And you know what? If those people be they, you know, I I'm sure we only see the people that feel she helped them. We don't see the people who go, nah, nothing. I got nothing. Yep. But, you know, if she makes them lives better, I say, good for you.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

What's her last name?

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Caputo, I think.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

It sounds like a made-up name.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

But I like it. Caputo. Well, that's it. Oh, what are we doing next week?

SPEAKER_02 40:11

We don't reveal it right now.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Okay.

unknown 40:13

All right.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

We're not gonna tell anybody.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

All right. But that's uh for Walt Disney.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

Alright, well, thanks for uh listening, Mom.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

And Cassidy. See you. Bye, Diesel.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

Bye bye. Bye.