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All right. Welcome everybody.

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To Hero and Dick. Or Hero or Dick.

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Hero and a dick.

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That's a different podcast.

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We're uh broadcasting from Horse Feather Studio. And we're pretty excited because we actually have equipment now.

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And we sound much more professional. Yeah.

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So even if the content's horrible, it'll sum better.

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Okay. Let's go with that. Um and this is episode eight.

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Eight.

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And today's topic is Republicanism. No, let's not ever do that.

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I'm sorry. Um I apologize.

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But today we will do share.

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Will we? As in. What's one of my dreams when I was younger? Doing share.

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Doing share? Yeah. She's a little old for you. She's probably like your grandmother? But you probably caught up to her in age, really.

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What you can't catch up.

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You can with share.

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That's true. Well, maybe it's all the plastic surgery.

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And I think um she's had boyfriends younger than you.

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So yeah, me too. Oh, you just kidding. Girlfriends. My wife's a young pup, right? I think she's like 30. She's at the cottage today.

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Oh, the cottage.

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By herself. She left. She really likes that. She does. She's been giving me updates. The geese, um, a snapping turtle.

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Uh-huh.

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And lions. She texted it wrong, it was loons.

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Oh. So there are you for a loop.

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I was excited.

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There's some lions at the garage. I was pretty jealous. Oh.

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And then she's you know, mowing the lawn and doing all that good stuff.

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Oh, she's a good girl.

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Yeah. She's pretty cool.

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She knows Cher, but whatever.

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She does. They spend a one night together.

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Her and Cher.

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At an art fair.

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Mm-hmm. I can see. Yeah. You know, I was kind of surprised that Cher didn't swing both ways.

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Well, we don't know that.

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Well, I think we do know that. No, I think we do know that.

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Yeah. Yeah. She actually well, we'll probably talk about that. Her son.

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Her son. Yeah, let's let's start with Cher.

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Let's start with it.

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First of all, she's born in 1943 and it's 2023. 43? I thought it was 43. What do you have?

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46.

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Okay. Well day. Uh yeah, I didn't write that down.

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Okay, well, I'm just trying to check it out. What's her birthday? Your information's usually right. May 20th.

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Okay.

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Do you have that? She was born in El Central, California. She is Californian, born and bred. John and Georgia Holt. John Sarkis State Sarkisian.

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And she was very close to her mom forever. And I don't even know if her mom is still alive, but she is always very close to her mom. Georgina or Georgia? Georgia.

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Georgia. Holt. You don't hear that last name very often.

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You hear it in Alpina. I've heard it in Alpina, I should say. Yeah. And no relation to them, I'm sure.

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Probably not.

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So Cher, because she's Cher and she's always been Cher, she didn't have an easy childhood, let's say, because she didn't conform. So that's what people love about her and what they don't love about her, I think.

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She's kind of a trailblazer.

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She is. She just did what she thought was good for Cher, and you know, it worked out well for her in the end. But it didn't, it wasn't always an easy road. Especially, I think, when she was young and in school, you know, she wasn't such a great student. And um, she was always a bit different from the other kids, be it her background or her looks or whatever. Um, but she persevered. She did marry Sonny very young, Sonny Bono. She was maybe 18, I think. I don't know if you wrote down how old, but I know she was very young.

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They met when in 1962.

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I think she was still a teenager when they met, and then they didn't marry right away, but oh Sonny was he was kind of robbing the cradle.

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He was the assistant to Phil Specter.

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Oh, yeah, really? Yeah. Huh. Perhaps. He's yeah, he's uh he's got an interesting story to tell.

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So wait, when did they get married? Uh must have been shortly after that, right?

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I think in 64.

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Okay, and then that's when they released um their debut album in 64.

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Okay, so they they got married and and started making music right away.

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Yeah, why waste time? When you know what you know.

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Okay, so what is your favorite share song?

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I don't know. You don't want to actually you know what that you know what one's been stuck in my head for a third time.

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You have to sing it.

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Uh the believe one. I don't want to sing that. No, I can't. No way was it.

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Okay, here is my favorite uh share song. I'm going to sing it. Gypsies, triumphs and thieves. You hear it from the people of the town. They call us gypsies, triumphs and thieves. I wish I could do a sugar impression. And if not, all the men would come around and lay the money down.

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That's pretty good.

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Oh many a drag queen has done way better.

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Yeah.

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But that was her, that was her song. That was on Sonny and Cher. Sonny and Cher, what are they famous for?

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I got you, babe. Yeah. Yeah.

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It was a time for it was a song for the time for sure.

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Yeah, that's in everything.

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I think they sang it every time in their TV show.

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Yeah. At the end, right?

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Oh, I think so when they were holding that little baby Chastity.

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Oh, yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Chastity.

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Chastity. Okay, we'll get into chastity in a minute. Um what oh I I had another Sonny and Cher song, and I can't remember.

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I don't know, but their TV show started in 1971, right? But then they got divorced only four years later, and Cher was knocking boots with Greg Ullman.

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Yeah, she was. Hot diggity. He is a hot diggity.

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Why wouldn't you?

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Um but then they got a divorce nine days later. They did, but they had a long relationship. I mean, marriage only less than ten days, but relationship-wise, I mean probably five years at least.

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The smack. Because they have a kid out of it too. Heroin addiction.

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Yeah, that'll do it.

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That messes things up.

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Yeah. Yeah. On his part, not hers. I don't think she was a drug addict.

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But then they're like you said, they remarried, right?

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Well, and they always stay close because I remember when he passed away kind of recently, within the past couple years, a few years, um, she went to his funeral, and you know, she was very um kind, had a lot of kind words about him, you know. Said, you know, our marriage wasn't great, but he was a great guy named we stayed friends throughout the years.

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So there's a lot of that, you know.

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And we'll see, did she stay friends with all the other people that she messed around with? That messed around with, had relationships with, because she had I listed them. Ron Zimmerman, who was a comedian, uh Richie Sambora. What? Really? Yeah, guitar player for JVJ. Um Rod Camaletti, who was a much younger guy.

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Oh, that was a scandal.

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That was that was her scandal. That was a scandal. Tom Cruise.

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Fucking Tom Cruise.

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Tom Cruise, who we all know is really gay.

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You can't be gay in Scientology.

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Oh, you can if you own Scientology.

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That's true. Maybe that's why he wants to own it.

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Maybe. Eric Stoltz, another great actor. Uh Val Kilmer. Oh Kilmer. Gene Simmons. Well, she was with him for a while.

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Can't imagine why.

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David Geffen, who, you know, is a big uh music guy. Eric Clapton. Um Anthony Keatis was on her list of conquests? Yes. Not a relationship so much as a you know, weekend.

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Well, he's running around without a shirt all the time. Well, yeah. He's an attractive man.

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Uh, yeah, he he's a good looking guy. He's got the Michigan hair, though, you know, nice it's flat, like humidity has always gotten to it. Yeah, I can relate to that. So she had many, many a boyfriend, uh, including also now how big of a realm of difference is this? Tommy Lee, Michael Bolton.

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You know, that's kind of cool though. She just covered all the bases. She wasn't she likes those musicians.

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Yeah, well, it's probably who she met.

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You know, who you meet at meet at work.

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Are these guys?

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You know, here we are, like, wow, she was with so-and-so, but maybe the guys are like, Man, I hooked up with Cher.

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Yeah, I think I was. I think it was, and you know how it goes. A woman who sleeps around is a whore and a man who does as a conquester. So you know what? Changing. I think it's changed. I think Cher, every one of them. I think Cher helped change that in a bit, in a way. You know, she made it like screw you, I'm just gonna screw who I want to, or be with who I want to. If you don't like it, look the other way, or don't buy my album. I don't care. So she had lots of relationships, and I don't know if she's in one now, but um, you know, she had enough to cover, so that's good.

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Quite the career.

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Yeah, she so she started out as a singer-songwriter.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then was with Sonny, and then was on her own. She had more hits than Sonny and Cher ever did.

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Right. And an actress.

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And then an actress. And a pretty good one, too. Not pretty good, really good.

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Got a Golden Globe nomination for her role in the film Silkwood.

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I think she got an Emmy for that one. She got an Emmy for something.

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Maybe for just being Cher.

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She got a Grammy, Emmy, Oscar, three Golden Globes.

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And the Academy Award, did you mention that? I did. What movie was that?

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Uh was it? Moonstruck. Moonstruck, yeah, that was a good movie. Yeah, for its time. It's kind of not aged well, I don't think. But you know.

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What do I know? I was 14 when that came out.

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Uh Silkwood is a great movie and still a great movie. And um, which is of Eastwick, yeah. But Mask was a very good movie. Oh my god, that was one of my favorite.

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Eric Stoltz was then he was wait a minute now. Maybe that's when they hooked up. He was the kid, right? Yeah.

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Uh-huh.

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Well, that's I'm gonna have to rewatch that one. Hugs and kisses.

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Oh no.

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That was a great movie. I remember watching it as a kid, and that really profoundly affected me. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I I mean it must have affected me because years later I still remember it and remember the pertinent parts and and remember the conflict and the the acceptance and how did the kid's face get like that?

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He was just born like that in some kind of deformity.

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I think so.

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Based on a true story?

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I believe so.

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Mm-hmm. Everything's got a true story sometimes.

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And isn't it like the elephant man syndrome? But I I I think he was just born like that. I'm not sure I'd have to rewatch the stuff. Stoltz did a good job of it. He did a good job.

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And then what was that the the dude?

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Um Sam Allen?

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Yeah, wasn't it? Mustache Man.

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I bet he she hooked up on him. Why wouldn't you? Oh, I hope that's a good one.

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The mustache. Yeah.

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Was he on our mustache list? Oh, kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's right, because he was in Tombstone. Yes. One of the best movies of all time.

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Yes. Well, if you like mustaches.

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And in uh cowboy movies.

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And cowboy movies. It is a good movie, actually. So singer, actress, TV personality. She was a host. Um after the divorce, she had lots of pop hits by herself. Some, you know, they called it rock, but it was really pop. And then she did some disco because it was the time, you know, you gotta adapt with the times. And um they still use them, you know.

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She was one of the first to really embrace music videos in that uh career quite a bit. Her video 1980, Hell on Wheels. It was uh one of the earliest examples of the modern music video.

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That when she that sounds very official. Was that when she used the auto, what is it called? The auto song. Auto tune.

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No, that was I love it.

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And that's the one that caused, for some reason, caused controversy.

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Well, that's where she was on that navy plane with all the naval guys and she had not a lot.

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It was just like a strap, right?

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Like and the navy after they saw it, I was like, we can't do that. It's done.

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It's out there, it's done, it's there. Imagine if they had TikTok back then.

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Oh, well, she didn't need it, she had MTV, so you couldn't turn on MTV without seeing that. I don't even really like the song, but for you guys.

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Well, her and then that one with the lady on the car, white snake. Oh Tony Katang, son of a bitch.

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The white snake tramp video vamp.

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Cherry pie warrant. Okay, never mind. Okay, that's going on. Sorry, you know, she had her her own perfume line. Did she? What did she call it? It was called uninhibited. Imagine that.

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Oh, okay. I wonder what it smelled like.

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Probably smelled like Sam Elliott's mustache. Sorry. Next.

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Yeah.

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Oh, her did you skip over the fact that she had dyslexia?

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We did, because when she was a yeah, when she was a child, that was another way that she was kind of an outcast. Because then it wasn't, you know, even looked at as well. I don't even think they tested people then for it, you know, in school. It was just like, come on, read, kid.

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Yeah, and then they stick you in the resource room.

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Yeah.

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You know, and didn't get the guidance you needed.

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And even though she's super smart, i if you have dyslexia, you can't, you know, that's tough. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Poor Cher. Oh, she I think she turned out okay though.

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She she did okay for herself, yes.

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She ended up directing a movie. She a television movie, sorry. It was about abortion.

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Yes, if these walls could talk. Yeah.

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Now wait a minute. It was about abortion, as if these walls could talk.

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Is that about walls or the room walls? Oh, I don't know. It's a good plan of words here. I haven't seen it. I don't even know. What was the year that it was made?

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96. 1996. Sorry. I guess it was.

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So it was a while ago, but yeah.

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Well, do you want to get into um well?

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I just want to say that she was also very much a fashion trendsetter. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you look at anything she puts on, and it's like Wigs. It's it's didn't she wear a lot of wigs? She did wear a lot of wigs, and sometimes she didn't wear a lot of clothes. But she had a great body for it. She was just tall and slender and no boobs, and she could put on anything, even her controversial headdress, Indian headdress from the half-breed era. And she had that song half-breed, and she would come out and sing, and she had like an Indian headdress on. And people at the time, people didn't freak out about it, but later they were like, Oh, that's so wrong. Well, you know, again, it's the time. And she wasn't doing it to make fun or mock uh Native Americans.

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No.

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Um, which I uh it turns out she was part Native American. I don't know how much, not much, like an eighth.

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Well, it's part, right?

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Enough.

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Get you some money out of college.

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So she was uh definitely a fashion trendsetter. Um she also, what I love about her is a gay icon. So I bet, and I don't have the statistic to back me up on this, but I bet she is the most imitated drag queen character ever.

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Yeah. Probably so. Ever.

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Because she has so many personas, you could go, you know, big wig that she wore to the Oscars, you could do that era, you could do the half-breed era, you could do the era where she has long hair and flipping it back all the time.

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I think the stats are nine and ten. Nine out of ten. Model after her.

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Model after her.

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That's what my records show.

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I believe it. I mean, if I was a drag queen, I'd totally do her.

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I've got the body for it.

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Well, prove it.

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I say. Here we go.

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Uh she's very active on social media in her now days and even, you know, years previous.

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Well, that's where she can really stir some stuff up, right?

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She can. And I and you, you know, she's gotten some shit for her Twitter or whatever we're calling it now. X account. But um It's called X. I think if you have a Twitter or X account, no matter what, you're you're at some point you're gonna tweet something that somebody doesn't like. Yeah.

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Well, I'm gonna I'm glad we don't do that here. We don't say anything that would offend anybody.

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Well, we might do that, but we don't tweet it.

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Well, when we get our Twitter account set up, which might be a good time right now to let folks know that we do have an email address.

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We do. We do.

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It's an official Gmail address.

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It is, and it is hero or dick22023 at gmail. So if you ever have anything you want to comment on, want to be on the show, or if you want to be on the show, or if you have some ideas of what we should cover, it's H E R O O R D I C K 2023 at gmail.com.

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If you're a negative Nelly and you want to be negative, you can send it. We're just gonna We're really good at dealing with that. So we we take critique.

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We take it either way, positive or negative. Well we'll listen. I don't know. Anti-poverty.

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Are we back?

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I think so.

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We had to take a quick commercial break because my fucking phone keeps interrupting us. So anti-poverty poverty we're talking about. Sharing her philanthropy. What was that first word you said when you were practicing? Sibbilence. Sibbilence?

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I think it's from a SNL skiff with uh Wayne and Gerth. Oh Tom Hanks is they're like their sound guy, and he he's getting them running sibilants.

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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So philanthropy of share. Uh activism. Yes. Yes, for LBGT, Q. Veterans' Rights.

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HIV.

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HIV, yes.

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Uh PETA.

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Probably. I don't know. Yeah. Animal rights. Okay, I believe that one. I believe that one.

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I wonder if she had how many pets she had. Uh I didn't find that.

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I don't know.

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That's that seems like it should be a standard thing you would find.

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From PETA. Probably on PETA's website.

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I'm gonna go put it on her Wikipedia page.

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Uh Veterans Rights, yes. Um she she gives away her money. She doesn't hang on to it like some greedy bitch. Well, she got enough.

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She gives it out, yeah.

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But she gives it out, yeah. And um, so are we gonna try to talk about chastity again? Because that seems to be where your phone like doesn't like take that.

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Yeah, I think that my phone might have some issues.

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It's got the bad personality traits, yeah. Um so chastity, the cute little blondie girl, yada yada. Oh, they I said it like three times, but yeah, I'm sorry. Uh chastity, uh cute little kid, and when she grew up, then she uh came out to her mom as a lesbian. Her mom, being Cher, you know, thought said, I thought I would be cool with this, but it's not as easy when it's your own kid. So I had some difficulties with uh a little bit with that, but then when chastity transitioned into Chaz, the male, she did have some issues with that that she didn't get over. And uh, you know, I imagine she just said it it's not easy as a mom to watch your kid go through that, and and it can't be easy. Um, they never, you know, were on the outs uh or anything like that.

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So um, I think that would be difficult in general. Not I think maybe I don't know, but I'm assuming that she's she was very progressive, but maybe it was just yeah, seeing her child go through the struggles. And then as a parent, probably saying, Are you sure about this? You know.

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Um, and as a parent, you have this kid. That you you love and you get used to this kid as they are, and then they want to be something totally different.

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Right.

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It probably is difficult. Yeah, it's not like um, but you know, that kid stays the same on the inside. So and then Chaz had a girlfriend whose name was uh uh Shara Blue Mather, who was in a sitcom with Jason Bateman in 1984. What do you know what the sitcom? I never had heard of it. It's called It's Your Move.

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Oh yeah. Yep. Really? I think it was a spin-off of um wait a minute. There was the Hogan family. Yeah. The Hogan family was on It's Your Move. It was a spin off of Silverspoons because remember, Jason Bateman was Ricky Schroeder's buddy. He was.

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They're still buddies, maybe.

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I don't know. Why wouldn't you be? I mean, what happened to Ricky Schroeder?

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I don't know.

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I think he wanted to be a family man and he has a farm.

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Probably living happily ever out.

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You know, my brother, people always said Kevin looked like Ricky Schroeder.

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Oh, a little bit, yeah. Yeah. When you were a kid, he could have been a uh child star like Jason Bateman. Yeah. Who worked with Shara, Shaz's partner. So there's that connection.

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That's a good tidbit.

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Yeah. Um okay, and uh, here's a big fact about Cher. She's not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which, you know, I don't know who picks them, but a lot of people are in that shouldn't be, or out that shouldn't, that that should be. Um, but she's the only artist to reach number one in six straight decades.

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Really?

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I think that's pretty amazing.

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That's really amazing.

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So that's that's a claim to fame, too.

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She had her own magazine for a while.

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Did she really?

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Guess what it was called? Share. Good job.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

I took that to you from Oprah.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Um, she loves the beach and she's owns beachfront properties. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

She's a real estate mogul.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Kind of like you.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Well, or you.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

What about that building over there? Maybe we should do some of the podcasts in there. Kind of hot though. It's hot in there right now. Yeah. I wonder what the sound quality would be like.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

Um, have you ever watched that show? Um, Chaz, the Chaz show there, the reality show. No. Being Chaz or whatever it's called.

unknown 24:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

Is it Chastity?

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Yeah, it was about um the transition.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Oh, no kidding.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

I think an appointment.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

I mean, the Chastity trans into Chaz years ago, way before it became popular and trendy.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Called uh Being Chaz.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Oh, I didn't know that. Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Chaz.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Chaz. C-H-A-Z. I mean, if you're gonna go from Chastity, what do you what do you pick? Right. Yeah, I think that's a no, I think Chaz is the only way you can go. Okay. Because they probably already called her Chaz. Probably. So it wasn't a big stretch. Alright, what else about the goddess of Pep?

SPEAKER_02 25:13

I don't know. There's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

I mean she got a lot. Um, and she wasn't always um she did reinvent herself a lot for fans. Maybe, probably more for herself, though, I think. And I think my determination on her as hero or dick is uh diva. Sure, she is a diva. Um, but she's not a dick because she knows herself and she knows what she wants, and she doesn't give a shit if you or the church or the whoever doesn't agree with her. Yeah, she's who she is, and you can't fault a person for that, and you can't you could be a dick, it it depending on who you were, but because she's Cher and has a lot of good qualities, she's a diva, but not a dick. What say you?

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Well, I mean that she has one name.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Oh so right there, your hero. Oh don't you think so? No, think of all the people there's no Roseanne right there. Boom. Well that that negates your theory right there.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

But it's Rose Ann. Oh, I think it's all one couple. No, I think Cher's alright. I I'll give her the hero badge. Um I like that she did everybody does. They go through some crap when they're younger, but she overcame some stuff. She stuck to her guns, she followed her path, she took no BS that we know of.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Um she probably did have to take BS from time to time too. But she just got it. But she handled it.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

A lot of people, yeah, would have been like, all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

I'm done. I'm out.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

And uh, you know, hopefully she's listening to this, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Cher, we say you're a hero.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

You're a hero, sure.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

You're a diva hero.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

That's a new category right there.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Diva hero.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

All right. I do have some fast fives for me.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

Well, you know, the assignment confused me a little bit as I texted you about it. I wasn't sure what I was gonna do. I think the subject was what?

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Well, what I chose was uh summer blockbusters.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

This summer or any summer?

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Uh mine happened to be all this summer.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

Okay. I did any summer. Because they're typical That's all right. All right.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

So we'll see if we have any the same.

unknown 27:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

So I'm gonna open with Barbie.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

So you actually named movies?

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

Shit. I just did themes, but I can't.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Well, that's alright. You tell me what you think about Barbie. I didn't know you didn't see the movie, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

No.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

You should. You know what I'm gonna say?

SPEAKER_02 27:49

What? It's just about Barbie, right? Yeah. Okay, hero.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Yeah. She was a hero before the movie, and the movie was great. Everybody should go and see it. It's not I went in with no expectations, and I didn't read a thing about it. Um, you know, I saw some pictures because you can't is it a cartoon? No, it is real people real people living in Barbie World and the real world, and it was very, very good.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Good. Yes. Who's in that? Anyone we know?

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Margot Ruby, Ryan Gosling. Oh, he's Ken. He's Ken.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Yeah. Yeah. He said he accepted.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Those guys are pretty close together. Um no, wait, that's the other guy, Ryan Reynolds.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Ryan Reynolds.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Sorry, Ryan Reynolds.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Should have been Ken. But no, Ryan Gosling did it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

He said he accepted the role, read the script, loved it, accepted the role, went outside, and he has daughters, and there was Ken laying in a puddle, face down, next to a squeezed-out lemon. And that's how he played it too. No kidding. Like it. Alright, so hero for Barbie. How about Oppenheimer?

SPEAKER_02 28:57

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Well, the movie I think is a hero. Um, I like the lead in it. I can't think of his name, Column. Something's got a kind of an Irishy name. Um, no, no. Colin. Column. Culture something. He's from Peaky Blinders. Um I thought you didn't watch that. Peaky Blinders? Oh no, I loved it.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Well, it wasn't you then.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

It was not me.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

I will give Peaky Blinders.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

We started watching that so goddamn confusing.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Well, it did get a little confusing. And I gotta say, well, I'm not gonna say because I don't want to ruin it for anybody, but once I lost one main character, it's like I can't watch it anymore.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Okay. Is it still going on?

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Uh I think there's one season out there that's the end.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Peaky Blinders. We started it, but um Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

So he was an Oppenheimer, and um I hear the movie is great as far as Oppenheimer himself. I don't know until I see the movie because I don't know enough about him, but I do know that you know he had to struggle with what his brain, you know, led to nuclear war.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Okay. Well, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 30:10

So is he a hero because he saved lives, or is he a dick because he killed a lot of people with nuclear weapons?

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Well, you know, I have to do is give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll say he's a hero until I do some more research. Right. Maybe that should be one of our, you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Yeah, he would be a good one. Yeah. So another big movie that was out this summer is a sequel. And I think the rest of mine are all sequels, which I think right there, Barbie and Oppenheimer, at least they weren't sequels. They probably well, Barbie will probably have a sequel, I hope.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Did it have a cliffhanger ending?

SPEAKER_00 30:48

No, it could have ended right there. Okay, but it could also go on. It's Barbie, man. So here's the sequels Indiana Jones. I didn't see the movie.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

I won't I want to see it just because Harrison of fucking Ford is like 92 years old.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

I do love a couple of those movies, like really like them a lot. The one with uh Sean Connery.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

I love that one. I don't know which one it is.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

It's one of them.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Another uh sequel that was out with a twist is Little Mermaid. So instead of being a cartoon, it was a real life people. What? Like in cartoons, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

Like Roger Rabbit?

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Um, no, I think it was more like the whole Everybody was people, but I don't you know what I haven't seen that one either.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Okay. Little Mermaid 2.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

I'm surprised it took that long to do Little Mermaid 2.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

That's an old movie, yeah. Aerial. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

And that talking clam?

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Um, I believe there was a crab and uh good movie. Uh it was a good movie. I don't know about the sequel, but I'll say Little Mermaid Hero because I think they made her of color those times. Oh no shit. Okay. So at least they progressed a tiny bit. And the last sequel that I have uh is Fast X. So that's probably like Fast X. Yeah, it's probably like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Oh fuck, the Fast and Furious again.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

So Fast and Furious 10. And once they lost Paul, Paul, I can't think of his name either.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Um The Dead Guy?

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Yeah. He went for a ride in the cool car and killed like died.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Like James Dean kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

Yeah. Well, it wasn't even a fast or anything. It was like a feature. Anyway, he was in that those movies and they were they were not great, but they were, you know, fillers.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Vin Diesel.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

I like Vin Diesel.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

He's he's unapologetically Vin Diesel.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

He is, and for that I say Hero. Good for you, Vin Diesel. Hero. So what what did you have for your fast five? Paul. Paul. I'll Google him. I'll Google him while you're talking about your fast five.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

Well, my fast five, I'm sorry, and I slowed yours down because I my brain goes everywhere. And I start thinking about other things every time you say something. Not in a bad way. I'm paying attention, but you trigger other thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

So Paul Walker.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Yeah. Paul Walker.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

He ain't walking anymore.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Poor guy.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

He was a he was a good guy. He's a very attractive man.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

Was he?

unknown 33:25

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

He died 10 years ago already. Sorry, Paul.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Well, think of all the other people that have died since.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

That's a lot of people have died in 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Got a little COVID thing in there.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

See, I I went through uh summer road trip hijinks.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

So what would be your perfect movie for that? Vacation?

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

A classic.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

I like that. Yeah. Um. And not really a road trip because they just drove to the cabin. But the great outdoors.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Oh, I like the great outdoors too.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

There was a little hijinks in there. The bear and the bald bear. John Candy's presentation, the speech in that movie when he's delivering about the bear story. And the he throws that whiskey or whatever in the fireplace and it goes, whoo. And Danny Aykroyd's like, Jesus crushed. I'm 50 pounds overweight. Trying to give me a fucking heart attack or whatever he says. It cracks me up. But anyway, that's a great movie.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

It is a good movie. I just watched another one that is uh underrated John Candy, summer rental.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

Yeah, that's a good one too. The best part is they go, they get to the house and they're like, wow, this place is great. And they move in all their crap and everything. And then the people call home and are like, um, you're in our house.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

What the hell are you doing here? And then he's carrying that big bag of dog food out in the breaks.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

He forgets his daughter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Ah, good stuff. So that's a good one. Uh, buddy movie. You know, there's all kinds of buddy movies. You got like uh Teladega Teladega Nights. Uh that's kind of a what about I Love You Man? That's a buddy movie.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

It is a buddy movie.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

I don't know if that was in the summer, though. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

Oh, I don't know. But that's Selma Luis is a buddy movie.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

It is.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

A buddy movie. Yeah, Brad Pitt. Uh I think he was that was like the first big role he had.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

And then seven, right? He was in seven.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

That was a good one. That's not a buddy movie, but that's a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

It depends if you're a serial killer.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

Um I'm not. I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Um, Teen Sex Slasher. I know what you did last summer.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

There's so many. Because they all start that way, and you're like, don't get in the car. Scream. Don't go by the chainsaws.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Don't Halloween is the first one. Oh my god, I love that movie. My kids can't get into it. They say it's too slow moving, but I love it's old. How Mike Myers is just standing in the background at first watching bunny bushes.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

And it is slow moving because it was the first of its kind. And so they, you know, they were kind of killing it out. I think. Yeah. I remember going to the movie theater for that and just being spooky. Terrified.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

Did you have to walk home afterwards? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

No, my boyfriend's parents gave us a ride home.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Was it a big station wagon like the one in the movie? It probably was. Um, you know what? Sorry, I'm talking about screaming out. One of the biggest disappointments of my life, I was so geeked because I had a crush on Drew Barrymore back in the day. Oh, who didn't? And she, you know, you still could Santa Clarita Diet. You watch that?

SPEAKER_00 36:32

No.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

I hate to say it, but my 14-year-old loves it. She's memorized it all. But anyway, I've caught a couple episodes, and that fucking show was so well written it's not even funny. It's kind of gory, but The Scream?

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 36:44

Not Scream. No, Santa Clarita Diet.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Back to Scream. Sorry, that's where I'm too much coffee today. Um, the opening scene, Drew Barrymore.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

And I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

What the f she got knocked off in the first five, ten minutes? I didn't like that.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

No. But those first ten minutes were great. She did great.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Yeah, she did. Hello, Sydney. Or whatever her name was. I can't remember what it was. I haven't watched that in a long time. Um odd love stories.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

For instance.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

I don't know. That's a theme, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Is it?

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Like I Love You, Philip Morris. I have not seen that. Okay. Don't quote me on that.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

I can't even think of an odd love story.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

There's gotta be. How about love story? I'll take odd off of there.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Well, I'm not watching it then. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

You ever see Overnight Delivery with Paul Rudd?

unknown 37:38

No.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

In Reese Witherspoon?

SPEAKER_00 37:40

No.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Oh my god. I think that was one of Paul Rudd's first movies. That's an odd love story. Yeah. Okay. They hate each other at first and then.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Well, I think that's a common theme.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Well, it's in every rom-com. Oh, we hate each other. Oh, in the air, we're together. Right. That's why I don't really. It's gotta be really good to be a rom-com for me to watch.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Really? Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of shitty ones.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

Well, I just think it's the same thing over and over again. Same with slashers, too. It has to really have a nice twist to it. You know, to make it different. Otherwise, meh.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Well, and then this one actually applies because I think you mentioned two. No, one. Animated feel-gooders.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Oh, yeah. So many of them.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

You know.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

And most of them do come out in the summer or at Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Yeah. You like the Despicable Me movies? I do.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Yeah, those are great. I like those are. I think they're. Who does the voice for Steve Carell? He does a great job, yeah. Those little minions. I have knitted a minion.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

You want one?

SPEAKER_00 38:42

I knitted one.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Oh, did you?

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Did you like it?

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Um, I gave it to a co-worker of it. Oh no, he probably threw it away.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

You set it on the shelf next to that rabbit.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Oh, the scary rabbit. No. No, you know what's a scary rabbit. What's next to the scary rabbit is the uh red guy from uh Squid Games.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

Oh, I think you told me that. Yeah. No, the rabbit came from an antique store, like an automotive little area.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

It came from an antique flea market. Yeah. And it it's and I thought I was rescuing him, and now he's going to kill us. Demonizing your home. Yeah. That's why I leave him in the guest bedroom. So whenever we have guests, they come out. Whoa, what's going on? What's a weird feeling in that room? You can sleep with them, not me. Well, all right. Do we have all our fast fives now? Yeah. Okay, well let me just give our uh email address one more time, hero or dick 2023 at gmail.com. We're hoping to hear from people. Give us good or bad. We can take it all.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

And I apologize if I can't figure out how to we will be this show will be spliced together. If it's not spliced, it's going to be part one and part two. Okay, we can do that too. All right. Well, thanks everybody, and uh we'll talk to you next time.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Bye. Bye.