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Okay. Welcome to um number nine. I almost said smartless.

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Like you're right.

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This is not smartless. Well, we're not, yeah. What the hell is this called? Hero or dick? It is heroic.

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And this is episode number nine, right? Nine.

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Number nine.

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Nine.

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Oh.

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So this is our pre-show banter. You know what I had for lunch before I got here?

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Uh-uh. What did I have?

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Well, first of all, I was coming back in town. And I uh realized I didn't have the key for the studio.

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Uh-oh.

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And so I had to run home and caught up with Brooke in two minutes and ate cold peas leftovers.

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Wow.

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In a bowl of Cheerios. Not together one after another.

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Okay, that was the next question. It's like you're a toddler.

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Yeah. Did you eat lunch yet?

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I did not.

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What are you gonna have?

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I don't know.

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You know what sounded good? Peas and Cheerios. Oh, that sounded fucking terrible. But it was there. Wendy's.

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Oh. I recently went to Burger King. Oh, right. You know, Alpina doesn't have a Burger King.

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I miss Burger King.

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So when we were out of town, we needed something, and there was a Burger King. It was not as wonderful as I wanted. However, the first couple bites of that whopper were delicious. Yeah. After that, it was all indigestion.

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Oh yeah.

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But the first couple bites were great.

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But then you have a big gut of regret.

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In many ways.

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Yeah. That happens to me a lot, no matter what I eat now. We went to Red Brick last night. It was our anniversary.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

Oh, happy anniversary. How many years?

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15.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Wow. Wow, that seems monumental. Like maybe you should go out of town or do something more than go to Redbrook.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

Yeah. I didn't take the day off. We she got me. I mean, we're we're low-key people. We don't celebrate a lot of stuff. But we celebrated as in she got me a nice card and she wrote some pretty language in there. And then a nice little box of chocolates because she's feeding my chubbiness. Oh, and I got her roses. Very cliche. Never get her roses. Don't get her flowers very often. But I'm like, for 15 years, 15 roses.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Oh. What color were they? Red. Traditional red.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

Sure. Yeah. And then uh red brick was alright. I like that place, but I got the garlic soy salmon, which was really good, but a little too much on the sauce.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Oh.

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You ever eat there?

SPEAKER_01 2:45

I have eaten there.

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You like it?

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Yes. And in fact, last time I was there, I was with my in-laws, and my father-in-law said, I'm going to get salmon because I every time I order salmon, it's no good. What? So to me, I'm like, well, why would you order it again? Well, he's going for a win. But he went for the win and it won. He raved about it. He said it was delicious.

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Yeah, the same.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

I'm like, okay, that proved me wrong. I mean, if I kept ordering anything and it was horrible, I think I'd get fried chicken.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

I did that with burgers uh at Fresh Palette. I'm not knocking Fresh Palette because I love it, but there was a time when no matter when I ordered it, it was it was not good. One time it was like almost raw. Um well that's fixable. Yeah, but I ate it anyway. That's how I roll. All right.

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Well, okay. Tuesday booze.

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Let's get drunk. Just kidding, it's a coke. I've been sober a while. Hey, speaking of, how was your uh my vacation?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Well, it wasn't sober, but it wasn't a big drunk either.

SPEAKER_03 3:51

Well, that's nice.

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It was so nice because we were gone exactly a week and we did everything we anything we wanted to, let's say.

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Oh.

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So it's me and my junior high friends.

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So they're in junior high.

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They're now we don't pretend we're back in junior high though.

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I like that.

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That's fun. Yes, we have lots of reminisces to to have every year. And my one my friend Beth, thanks Beth. Thank you, Beth. Uh, photo album full of party pictures. Oh, yeah. And my uh other friend Lori, hey Lori, she invented the game, Where was the party? And you look at the pictures and you have to answer, where was the party?

SPEAKER_03 4:34

Wait, so you had that many pictures of where you were partying?

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Well, not this time, but we had a few this time.

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You partied a lot back in the day.

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Yeah, maybe. Good for you. Maybe. Yeah, got it out of my system.

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Did you though? Because you were just partying for a week.

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Well, we were just reminiscing about partying.

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While you were partying.

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While we were partying.

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And you had a couple of the couple listeners were at that, right?

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We did have some listeners, yeah. Yeah.

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So that we're up to I think six total.

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Is it six?

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Six, yeah. So that's pretty good.

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It's a nice round number.

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It's helping with sponsors.

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And so today they will be listening about Einstein, is our topic of hero or dick.

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Yeah. You know what happened? I think I was really geeked about it, and I told you I watched those two documents. Yeah, yeah, I know. I was so impressed. Well, I think most of that information has disappeared. It's gone out of the game. It's gone.

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You said you were only only going to retain five percent.

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Yeah. But that's five percent is yeah, five percent. And it's more than what I knew about Einstein before.

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You know, he uh what do you think when people hear Einstein they think, oh, he's a genius, and he had a high IQ, and he came up with a lot of theories, and I guess all of that's kind of true. Um he did come up with theories that I think would have eventually been around, but he just invented them sooner. You know, I think the theory of relativity and the one, um, what's the one that has to do with gravity? I mean, you're gonna people are gonna come up with those sooner or later, just like, you know, um, who's the guy with Apple fell on his head?

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Yeah, Isaac Newton.

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Yeah, he was just the first one to document it, really.

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Yeah, maybe someone else could have, and they didn't find the documentation.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Yeah. Well, I think I'd have to look up who it was. Some science guy. Was it him? He anyway, he obliterated the competition out of the history books.

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Who?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

I think it was Newton. I'd have to look. Oh uh I'll look back, I'll find that fact out.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

Yeah, they were they're tied together, those two, obviously. Einstein and Newton.

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And so Einstein, who is I guess it's like, what do you call him? He's uh I don't know, what does he write on his income tax form? I think he writes he is a theoretical physicist.

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Really?

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Uh I think that's his title.

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That's pretty cool.

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Like on, you know, on his desk. Albert Theoretical.

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You think he'd make a good president?

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Um, well, he was asked to be president of of what country was that Israel.

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Oh yeah. That's right.

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Because he was the most famous Jew. And he said, No, I'm too old.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Um, I don't know, would he have made a good president?

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Probably not.

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Probably not, because someone with that kind of mind usually doesn't have a mind for anything else. Although he was a pacifist until World War II and the whole uh uh Hitler, you know if those guys were gonna beat him. Well, that's kind of what he said.

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Let's do it before they do.

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He was a pacifist until Hitler made him stick up for his rights. So I don't know if he would have made a good president, though.

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I uh you know one of the documentaries I watched was um and I'm it's a bit embarrassing. Ancient aliens on the History Channel.

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Well, I sometimes watch it. Depends on who it is. So how did it relate to Einstein?

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Well, the theory is that people like Einstein perhaps are able to tap into some ancient alien type knowledge and retrieve that and bring it back home for the rest of us. That's paraphrasing the whole thing. And so the reason that Einstein was able to come up with most of his genius works within a year's amount of time, one year was uh big year, perhaps because he was able to channel some other worldly information on the astral plane, and and they think that that's the same thing with uh Tesla and all those jokers.

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Okay, that's a theory. Sure. I believe Einstein, as with many men, had a smart wife who helped him when he came home at night and went, Yeah, I'm so close. Let me talk it through. And he talked to her, and she was a mathematician, and um, this is his first wife, and he met her, and he he met her in um some class that she wasn't even supposed to be in, but she had special permission because of the time it was like 19 early 1900s. Well, she was brilliant, yes, she was, and so well, they weren't so brilliant because they had a kid out of wedlock, if you don't figure that out.

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See, I thought that was fascinating because it kind of it made me a little but that was back then. But the whole thing about oh, we have a kid, it's gonna damage who you are, who you could be, let's get rid of that little fucker. Yeah, we don't know what happened to the kid.

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No, and it could be a relative of you, yours or mine, or could be probably no, you don't know. We don't know.

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We're all concerned.

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So I think he had a smart woman behind him because that year he he banged out a lot of theories.

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Banged out something.

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He did bang out that was before they got married. They did have a kid after they got married, and two kids after they got married. Oh yes, but he wasn't a very good father at all. The sunset.

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The the one the oldest son was Edward or something. I don't know what it was, but anyway, he said the only project my father ever gave up, gave up on was me. Oh and then he had another one that had a little had some god, you know.

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They they had problems because their dad wasn't there, or maybe it was the blending of two geniuses.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Well, that could happen too. And maybe the the the kid wasn't actually schizophrenic. Maybe he was just a fucking genius too. Maybe harness that in the middle of the state.

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Or use it. He too was tapping into the ancient alien goes back to the ancient alias.

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Yeah, but anyway, no, that whole thing about his family dynamic, that was that's what draws me in with all these people we talk about, is what's going on.

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It's so amazing that you can be so smart, but have these kids and just ignore them like they don't exist. Yeah, that's not smart.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

No, I mean there were times I some of what I saw was that he did feel bad and he had regret, but that doesn't make up for the fact that he just but he didn't do anything about it.

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I mean, there's one thing to to be young and stupid, and then 10 years later go, Oh, yeah, uh I have regret and I will act upon it. But now he just let's sorry.

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Yeah, and uh that first first wife.

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Um now there was a whole let's say her name so we get it right because she needs credit. It's Maliva mathematician.

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So mom didn't like her because she thought she was gonna bring Einstein down and she was Serbian and she didn't like that.

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Oh, Einstein's mom?

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Yep. Oh didn't want them getting together.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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The moms, though, you can you ever please them?

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No, moms always want their little boys to be, you know.

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Yeah, Mama's a boy. I can see him being a mom's boy.

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Then we just continue to disappoint them, their whole lives.

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And then he was abusive to her too, so you know that's not cool. I mean, come on. Oh, you're so smart. Why are you doing that? But she but didn't she have it worked out where she got his Nobel? She did. So in their divorce, uh, he didn't have anything yet really to give her, but he said, All right, when I win this Nobel Prize, I will give you the money for it. How much do they get for that? I don't know, but she held it, held them to it. So that was 1905 or 6. They got divorced, and he didn't get it till 22. Why don't and he did pay her.

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Where are our fact checkers?

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I don't know. They're not here today. Where's our producer? They're supposed to be bringing this information up. You get a pretty hefty sum.

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So I'm Well, when you won it, how much did you get when you wanted?

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Well, I only I I donated all my that was nice.

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Yeah.

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Whoops, pretty cool. So uh getting back to his marriage, so then he breaks up with that first wife because, hey, I'm hot for the cousin. Oh shit, why do they always do that?

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I don't know. The first cousin. Stop it.

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I mean, I get it.

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They're there, they're handy.

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Holiday parties.

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They didn't have any kids together, but I don't know. Quit messing with the cousin.

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She wasn't an attractive lady either.

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Oh.

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I mean, it it's all beauty's in the eye of the beholder, but maybe that's it.

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Maybe they they look like each other or it looks like his mom because it's his cousin, so maybe they have that. I don't know. Oh, good god. There's no excuse for it.

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Cousins. Fucking bizarre. He's a genius and he's banging his cousin. Yeah. Well, maybe they weren't.

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Banging? I think they got married, so I hope he at least got that.

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Does that happen after?

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I I guess. But but she okay. Uh I will give her this, Elsa, cousin Elsa. She did insist that they move to the U.S. in 1933. Because it's acceptable because in the United States. They moved to Kentucky. Yep. Sorry, Kentucky. No. Um, they no, because uh Hitler uh became chancellor and she's like, you know what, we gotta get out of here. Oh yeah. And so they did. So they did. So uh and uh cousin marriage, he he also had many, many mistresses, so maybe they weren't having sex, maybe they were just I know, but you know, we have the same last name, so let's just get married. Because I don't think it was acceptable at that time. I don't think so. Has it ever been acceptable? Well, probably like in Julius Caesar time.

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Anything goes back then. I guess walking around in blowing cloths or robes, not in Einstein, but you know.

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Einstein.

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That's what we need to do. The next one is go back to one of those early, early times. So nasty person. All right.

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Anyway, okay, and so here's some falsities that I found out about Einstein. He did not have learning disabilities. People like to think people who are geniuses, uh, you know, had some failure along the way, and he really didn't. He said, I never failed a math class. That's that's not true. He just started school late, didn't he? Um, I think he he didn't talk till later, but a lot of kids don't talk right away.

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Yeah, but he wrapped it up or dropped out when he was like 15 and then got accepted to like prestigious.

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I don't need this, I I got it. I liked um this fact about him too, and I don't know how they know unless he actually said it. He must have. He thought in pictures, not in words. You know, when he would think something through, so the relativity he would think, how would this how would this happen? And think of an example. I think most people think like that, and not positive. I think a visual versus actual words.

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I mean, you can learn like you see the result in your head and then you try to get to that.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And 1905 was his big year when he had four papers, including the quantum theory and the relativity, the big one.

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Oops, I'm kicking shit. I'm not gonna edit it out either.

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Um what else? Oh, I I think a big thing about him too was he really set forward the whole imaginative nonconformity, which means at the time, if if uh authority told you to do something or told you not to do something, then you followed authority, be it police, government, whoever. And he his theories and his thinking was not like that. And he's like he pretty much said, No, you can think out of the box.

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Yes.

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Maybe he was the first person to say that.

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Perhaps.

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I don't know. But he did Blaze the Trail for Picasso, also that era, uh Freud, same era, and he also brought a big boon to Jewish recognition, especially during World War II. I mean, here in the US we still shunned them and didn't let enough in. And but you know, we we we were active in the war, but I I still think our um response to Jewish people in World War II wasn't enough. No. I mean, we could have let more people in.

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Uh yeah, especially when you're kind of aware of what's going on.

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And we could have not interned the Japanese people just because they happen to be living in the US, but are of Japanese descent, you know.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Well, we've got too recently, right?

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Yeah, yeah, and that's a that's a whole other thing. But I think he helped um Jewish people get some cred.

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Yeah, and in essence, it helps the overall um disenfranchised and folks that are otherwise cast aside. You know what I mean? Because once you open up one thought process about a certain group of folks, then that carries on to other folks. Hey, why why do we think about it like you know it doesn't?

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We're all human. And his one of his quotes was uh he believes in free thought and speech and defies authority. So I I think um right there, my definition of a hero. If you believe in free thought and free speech and you like to defy authority, sounds like he's the lead singer of Rage Against the Mission. I know, doesn't he sound his name is But uh so I'm gonna say as a human husband, father is a dick. But as a scientist, professional life hero. What say you?

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Well I liked him more before I knew anything about him. Oh you know, you see the pictures with the crazy hair and tongue hanging out t-shirts and he equals MC squared and but he's kind of a dick, selfish. He focused on what he liked to do, which is great because he did bring a lot to the world that otherwise may have not come or would have came at a later date. I don't know, man. He's a hero historically, I suppose. But I think he probably was a dick.

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He was.

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I think he was uh professionally, yeah, cool, good for you.

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Yeah.

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But personally, right?

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I mean, I don't know if I'd want to hang out with him, maybe for a little bit. But I think he'd be annoying.

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Yeah. Do you think he'd be annoy-it-all? I think smug. Yeah.

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Well, what did you do today? Well, my wife helped me put my belt on this morning.

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Bees and Cheerios for last.

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What do you think? Okay, now this goes back to a pre-podcast conversation. What do you think Einstein would think about the ants and the bees taking over the world?

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Oh, because the ants are gonna take over the world. Um, I think he I don't know. Would he try to kill them like the atom bomb thing? Which also let's just say, you know, the the movie Oppenheimer's out, and they have in there that he had a relationship with Einstein, and that wasn't even they embellished that. I mean, they talked, they knew each other, but Einstein wasn't involved in that. But would he try to kill them all to save the human race, or would he say they have a right? Yeah, they have a right too.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

It's a good question. Well, and right now what we're talking about, those little bastards are underneath us right now, playing playing in the common forests, the common forests. You know, and do ants have their own Einstein?

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Well, they have the queen ant, don't they?

SPEAKER_03 21:31

Right. Is she married to her first cousin? I wonder.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Probably. Probably. Probably you know how those ants are. Okay, so now to fast five. I forgot my fast five again. I got them right here.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

We might just have to do yours.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Well, we can do them.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Do we have a caller? No caller today.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

No collar, but we did have a we did have an email that I went.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

Well, just one of the 150 that you received, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:57

Well, I received two. Hopefully. One was from Google.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

Well, that's two more than we've got in the past.

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So a shout out to Beth for giving us uh email. Hey there, loving the show. Thought I'd pass along some possibilities. So here's some possibilities.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Wait, real quick. She's not a barista, is she?

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Uh no, but she could be.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

Okay.

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She used to be a teacher. Is that the same thing?

SPEAKER_03 22:20

Pretty much.

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So here are her thoughts. Dean Martin, Barbara Streisand, Debbie Reynolds, Tom Jones, Elvis, Neil Gammon, Clark Gable. So think about those. Let us know what you think. Here's the email address. It is hero or dick2023 at Gmail. We'd love to hear from you.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

Hey. Elvis. You know what?

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Elvis said, uh, that's a good one.

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Fucking love that guy.

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See, people.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

He's a mess.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

He's a mess. I don't know if he's a dick. We'll have to we'll let's talk after the show.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

Well, just wait. I was in the cracker barrel barrel with my wife, and they have Elvis Booze. Elvis Whiskey. I don't know, but they someone's using his likeness and name, and it's on whiskey.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Well, I think at least his um people, his daughter, who is just passed away, so her her daughter, his granddaughter, I think she at least owns all those rights. So at least his people are still making money off of them. Priscilla, too. I think she's still making money off of them.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

No.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

She's paid for a lot of plastic surgery.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Six degrees of separation. Is he related to Jason Bates?

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Um, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

I think there's a likeness with the hair.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Well, oh.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

I don't think well, there's a lot of hair.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

There's a lot. They have both have hair, let's say that. But on our fast five, the 80s teen heart throbs. That's what it was. And so the first one I'm gonna throw at you is going to be. No, no, I'm gonna mix it up because you just said him. How about Duran Duran? Oh shit. Are they hero or dicks? Hero. How about Wham? George Michaels, Anthony Taylor, Andy Taylor.

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Dick and a hero.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

A dick? You don't like George Michael?

SPEAKER_03 24:20

I don't know. I'll have to do some more research.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Um, he might I I don't know. Uh I'm just guessing. You seem like he's cocky. Yeah. Ah, George Michael. Well, he was so. I know, but well, yours is jealous, I think.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Yeah, I think so. How about Backstreet Boys?

SPEAKER_03 24:38

I mean, they're probably heroes, but they're the Backstreet Boys.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

They're like kind of holy dicks. Dicks. Okay, how about New Kids on the Block? Heroes. Cassidy. Heroes. All the way.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

They're the ones that did it. Whoa. Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yes. Hanging tough. And the last one, 80s teen heart throbs, Jason Baton.

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I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

I apologize. He's a hero.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

He's a hero. He's a dick, though, too.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

He'll even say he's a dick.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Yeah. That's why he's a hero. Yeah. Because he admits he's a dick.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

You can admit it. Um, I'm gonna do some teen heart throbs, I hope.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Well, I have some 70s ones listed because yeah, so I'm gonna throw some more at you. Do it because when I was doing them when I was with my uh junior high friends, um that's when we grew up. So here's 70s teen heart throbs. I hope you know who these people are. Donnie Asman.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Yeah, I know who he is.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Is he a hero or a dick?

SPEAKER_03 25:43

He's a dick. He's probably not though. I don't know. He seems like a dick.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

He might be a nice guy, but yeah, it's just an initial yeah, and that's a lot of time to spend with your fucking sister.

unknown 25:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

First cousin.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

First cousin. Oh, we don't even know who he's married to. He might be married to his cousin.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Oh my god, is he married?

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Donnie Osman? I would think so.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

He's gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Yeah, he's gotta be. How about uh 70s teen heart throb? Mine was Michael Jackson. But it was Michael Jackson when he before plastic surgery, before anything, he had this big fro, and he could do the robot. He's a soul train. Soul train. Right there, hero. Okay, how about you won't know who this guy is, Bobby Sherman.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Well, isn't he an activist?

SPEAKER_01 26:41

No, he was a 70s teen heartthrob that you You can't be an activist in a heartthrob.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

No, you can't. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

I don't know. I don't know either if he's a hero or a dick, but he was a 70s teen heartthrob. Well, here's here's the memory I have of him. You bought a box of sugar pop's cereal, which was a thing then, and on the back of it, you cut out this record and you put it on your record player, and it played Bobby Sherman some song about bubblegum.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

This is real.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

It happened.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

The record you could play the record, you could play the record.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

I mean, not over and over and over again, but it was on a yeah, it was on the back of a cereal box.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

That's impressive.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

I know. Yeah. Now what do you get? Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

No.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

No. I don't know. I don't buy cereal anymore. Because they quit putting sugar in it.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

Yeah. I put sugar on my Cheerios before I came in.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

And the peas too?

SPEAKER_03 27:40

No.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

How about did you ever hear this guy? Leif Ericsson.

SPEAKER_03 27:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Garrett Erickson. Garrett's son. What, Garrett Leif? Garrett. Wait, who are we talking about? Leif Garrett. Yes. Yes. Garrett or Garrett's son?

SPEAKER_03 27:53

Garrett Leif. Leif Garrett.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Leif Garrett.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

So he went on to become a heavy duty partier too. Mm-hmm. And now he's on all the shows on True TV, you know. Doing more giving his commentary. What? You know, like all the uh B people are on there, um, or C or D people, like uh Tanya Harding and people like that, and they show him stupid videos and they comment on him.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

That's where I've seen him like, but at least he's alive.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

But he was a singer.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

He was, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Yeah. He was like the poor man's or poor woman's Rick Springfield.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Uh yeah, I think Rick was after these guys, even. Was he? I think so. He was in love with Jesse's girl. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Was he a teen hardcrown? I guess he was. I don't know. Okay, here's a big one. David Cassidy, who he also had a brother, Sean Cassidy, but David Cassidy and Danny Bonaducci, famous because they were in the Partridge family. They're both heroes.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

Heroes.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Yeah. Danny is. Danny's the fave. What was it? Did he have he had a lot of problems later, too?

SPEAKER_03 29:02

He was on some reality show.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Uh yeah, I believe so. I think he even they did a promotional boxing match between him and Donnie Osman. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 29:12

Danny Deniman. You're making the stuff up.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

I'm not. Google it. They boxed. And one more 70s Teen Idol. Again, thank you, Beth. It is uh Jack Wild. Yeah, nobody knows who he is. But if you know HR Puffin's stuff show, then you know who he is. You're too young, you won't know it.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Thank God. No, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

So there you go. There's 80s teen heartthrobs and 70s teen heartthrobs.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

I have a couple.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Can I? Yes, you can.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

We have time for you to throw them in there.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

Sorry. Um Bo and Luke Duke.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

Weren't they oh no, they're not teens.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

No, well, but no, a teen heartthrob is the the person loving them is a teen. So I would say loved them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

I loved Catherine Bach myself.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Oh, I bet you did. I kind of did too. She's hot.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

She was hot in her day. She's also on those TV shows.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

I read the poster of her uh above the bed. Sorry, back in my childhood for a second. Next to the bed.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

You drifted off there for a moment. Okay. Well, we know where you were.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

Michael J. Fox.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Oh, yeah, yeah. He was a teenheart Rob. He's always a hero in my book. Canadian for one thing. Alf. Uh. I think that guy was a dick. He was a dick. He was a dick. I mean, that was his whole premise. It wasn't really a heart thought. Because he was trying to be a trying to be a dick. I kill me. Ha! Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

It's an ass.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

Probably would have made a good president. Probably. Kind of would. Never mind. Um, and I'll go with Justine Bateman.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Oh, yeah. I loved her.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Yeah, she was great.

unknown 30:57

God.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

She's still around, too. She does like an indie movie every now and again. And then but I liked her on the Michael J. Fox show. I can't think of the name of that. With Growing?

SPEAKER_03 31:08

No.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

No. No, it could be Kirk Cameron. Oh, yeah, that guy went wacky. I'm gonna say he's a dick.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

I think he's a cult leader now, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Yeah. Yeah. Has his own cult.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

There's a show, How to Be a Cult Leader on Netflix.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Is there? Maybe he did he produce it?

SPEAKER_03 31:25

I haven't watched it yet, but I think he's on it.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

I bet.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Him advancing.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Same thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

All right, that's all.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

Alright, so to wrap up, Einstein. Kind of a hero and a dick.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Yeah, but I'm just gonna say dick.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Okay. And then the teens, uh 70s, and 80s heartthrobs. If you if anybody can think of any more, we would love to hear about them. If you want to throw Einstein into that category, you could too.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

Yep, we could.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

All right.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Well, we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Thanks, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Bye bye.