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Okay.

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Hi everyone.

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Welcome to episode uh ten.

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Wow.

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It's a special one.

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Number ten for the tenth.

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Oh this is Hero or Dick. Hero or Dick. This is KJ.

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And Kate. Here we are again, broadcasting from Busy, busy downtown Alpina.

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Busy. We just had a visitor, actually.

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It's nonstop room. It is, it is. And the cruise ship is in today. It is. And lovely Alpina. So you know.

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Are they still now? We talked to them about putting our face in the name of our podcast on the side of the boat with a well it's not big enough, so yeah.

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We'll have to do something else. So this week is very exciting because we have our topic is obscurity. So we each chose somebody who's or something that's rather obscure.

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Kate jumps right into business.

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I am, because we have a lot to get to.

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Do we we do?

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I'm worried about mine because we're gonna go first.

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You're gonna go first?

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You want to?

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Oh, I'll go first.

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Okay.

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This is you know, I tried.

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Well, obscurity, it's hard. But it's not, you know, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Because now I that I did it, I don't think it's that obscure and I feel bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Okay. Well, even the guy I chose to to for my topic is not that obscure. That's something. No, I'm saving him.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Okay. He'd fit in the mustache thing, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Oh, he totally would have gotten the mustache.

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And the mullet if we did a mullet.

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Oh.

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Body hair.

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Well, let's let's skip the body hair episode, but mullet, I'm in.

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Body hair would be interesting. Robin Williams was pretty hairy.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Yeah, he was a very hairy guy. Yeah.

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There's a oh, I better not say anything.

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Well, yeah, save it up. Save it up.

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Okay.

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Alright, so who did you choose for your obscure person, place, or thing?

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I'm gonna tell you. You're gonna have to ask some questions to get this thing. And I'll try to do it for you too.

unknown 2:09

Okay.

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Um Henrietta lacks.

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Henrietta. Something to do with genealogy?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Son of a bitch. We're done. Next.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

No, no, you need to talk about her because she's very interesting, and I only know it because Henrietta weren't there.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Well, and you're a genius.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Well, I'm not a genius by any means, but I do like to read books.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

You do.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

I have not read a book on her, but I've seen that there is a book about her, or more than one book about her.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Well, um But you tell me what you know about her because I think she was obscure, and now we know about her, and that's good because we should know about her.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Yeah, I mean, you could probably um thank her for vaccines, in particular, like the polio vaccine, anything. Um she had what they called immortal cells. Her cells would not die. They outside of her body, they replicated and continue to grow and still do today.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

So does the normal cell die outside of the body when they take cells? Yeah, which how do they do that? Is that like through blood or biopsies? Biopsies. Okay. So once a cell leaves the body, typically it dies. All right, it's gotta it's living.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Not mice, though. Oh apparently they use mice cells and mice for stuff like this. But what happened was well let's talk a little bit about Henrietta.

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Please do.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Okay, she uh was born August 1st.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

It's August, right? It's August. Yeah, but this was in 1920. She was born in Roanoke, Virginia. Uh, she's an African-American woman. And um little did she know, she was going to revel revolutionize medical research.

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I wonder what the circumstances uh were like for her mother as pregnant. Is that why her cells won't die? Did she eat some superfood or I was wondering that you know, exposed to some chemical? Or right. Did every ancestor of hers have it and we just didn't know?

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Well, what happened was, and this was like a couple decades after she died, um her family found out they didn't know that they were using her cells for research and all this jazz. Oh, but I'm assuming, and I think there's some mention of it in some of the research that I didn't do, uh, that her family checked to see if they had it and they didn't. Oh. So it was her.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Does she have siblings?

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Yeah. I think she had nine. Oh it was a total of ten of them. They got split up early because the family couldn't support the whole family and all the kids. Um, and Henrietta from an early age, um, you know, she wanted to go to school. It was sad, it's sad shit, our history. Um, walking to school, and to get to the school, of course, she had to walk two miles past the white school and got rocks thrown at her and verbally abused just because the color of her skin. Um but not because of the genes. No, the genes, they didn't know about that. But anyhow, she uh They probably wouldn't like that either. No, of course not. Oh, that would have been it worse.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Yeah. Her genes are better than yours.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah. Yeah. So she uh ended up she loves school and whatnot, but it didn't work out. She had to go to work. So she worked um tobacco farm picking the plant, doing whatever it is they do on the tobacco farm. Um she ended up living with her grandparents, I believe. And one of her cousins, David, uh, she lives with him, and guess what happened? They eventually got married.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Ah, what is it with these cousins? Like, get out of your gene pool, man.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Amuse somebody. I've never wanted to marry a cousin.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Uh, I do not have any cousins I would like to marry. No, not even second or third. Even uh I like them, but I don't want to marry them.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

No, no, no, it's not like you're sitting at the Christmas party with a cross the room at your cousin going, hey. Why don't we?

SPEAKER_01 6:15

No, it doesn't matter. Oh, that's a country song right there. Yeah. You have a lot of cousins to choose from, too. I know. Damn, hey. I could be your mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

You know, you could.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

You know what the funny thing is?

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There's nothing funny about marrying your cousin.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

No, the older I get. It's not that I I don't like people, but they disappoint me a lot. And I can't imagine going back out into the world and trying to find a new wife. The one I got's just fine. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 6:45

I bet she's more than just fine. She is. Yeah.

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Yeah. But anyway.

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I think she's perfect for you.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Anyway, so Henrietta and Day, they got married. Um, she got pregnant. And um during the process, she found out she had a little nodule or bump or growth, whatever you want to call it, down in the nether region.

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All right.

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And she was trying to tell her cousins about cousins about it. Uh there's the cousins again.

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You know, if you can marry your cousin, I think you can talk about your hoo-ha with them.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Yeah, okay, her vagina. Anyway, and um they were like, no, no, honey, it's it's probably nothing. You're pregnant. It could be the baby is outside the what kind of birth is that called? An endo, whatever birth where the baby is actually outside the womb.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Outside the womb.

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Something like that.

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I I don't know.

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And she's like, no, I don't think that's it. She wasn't feeling good. Long story short, um she ended up going to the hospital and was diagnosed with cervical cancer. And there was a little tumor in there, and they ended up taking a biopsy. Um and then the cells lived outside the body, um, and they reproduced at an astonishing rate. And they were the first immortal, not immortal, uh human cells ever grown in a lab, and it was called the Gila cell line, which is Henrietta Flax, H E L A. Okay.

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And so they didn't, I I'm guessing that they didn't know, they just like left the petri dish overnight and they came back and went, oh my god, look, there's extra cells there.

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Hallelujah.

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Is that what happened?

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Mm-hmm. Well, so the at that time, if you go to the hospital, especially if you were an African American, guess what? You usually don't get to go to the hospital, they turn you away, they could turn anybody away. But Johns Hopkins, I believe, actually had a program for people that couldn't afford it. Um it didn't matter who you were, and so she was able to get some treatment, probably not in the regular rooms, but and um this is interesting too. I did not know this radium, you know, for cancer. They actually just had these little like radium rods that they would put against the tumor. So they inserted that and propped it up against the tumor. And what happened is her whole body started turning black because she was like burning up basically from the inside out.

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Yeah, that's a lot of radium. Oh man.

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But anyway, during that whole process, uh back then they didn't have uh HIPAA and all the things that we have now. And so part of the thing too was they figured if they're given free health care, not only to African American, but prisoners, whoever. They want to learn from it, and they're gonna take what they can and use it for the advancement of medical research. The issue, of course, and the ethics that come in are decades later when her par her family finds out and they're what like, hey, people are making billions of dollars off of our sister, daughter, cousins cells. You can still buy her cells really a vial of them today for about 600 bucks. And what I mean, you're not gonna get on eBay or anything, but you know what I mean.

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So I'm not gonna go on Etsy and buy them, although it's vintage. So what do we what do you do with them? Do you I mean, like as a medical person, you buy them and then you use them to develop vaccines.

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Okay. Um they contributed to advancements in cancer uh treatment, cloning and gene mapping, and in vitro fertilization.

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Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Well, it's pretty fascinating. I mean, she seemed like a pretty neat lady, but I can't imagine that and I'm not dissing her, I'm not saying anything bad about what it's always interesting to me when they you find somebody like this that has this something that nobody else has, or something phenomenal happens to them. You never hear you would have never known about them. No, yeah, and you hear that they're a great person, and they had this. It's like watching an episode of Dateline. Anybody that dies on Dateline, they always are a great person. They never deserve it. Never those son of a bitches. But anyway, this poor lady only lived to be 31 years old. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

So she never knew she had such wonderful selves.

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No, uh-uh, no.

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And so none of her children, or she had at least one child, I'm assuming.

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Yeah, there was multiple.

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But none of them have the genes. So what wow, how did she get so lucky or unlucky or blessed or whatever? I wonder what her what her uh why her specialty speciality is that that why Henrietta?

SPEAKER_00 11:31

I don't know. It's pretty fascinating though. And um the fact that it was an African-American woman, you know, that's that's interesting, I think.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

In that You mean it wasn't a white man?

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Yeah, really. What? Yeah. And so you gotta wonder about that too. If it would have been a white man and they took his cells and they found out that they were doing magical things, the whole world would have known about it.

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You'd have a monument of a cell.

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Yeah. She actually had an unmarked grave until years later, until everything came out in the book and got a headstone. But yeah, there's been um books and articles, and I believe a movie.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

I believe there is a movie. Because I think Oprah took shine to it.

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But I don't know. Overall, it's fascinating. There wasn't a whole lot of information, and the information that I did find was repetitive. It was like the same exact thing. But that's to be expected when there's not a whole lot. She did like to go dancing.

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She would uh That's why now we know have a few drinks, go with her girlfriends, she liked to cut a rug drink and cut a rug.

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Her husband gave her syphilis because he was out banging her off.

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No, I wonder if did that play into it?

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She ended up getting gonorrhea. Hmm.

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That's that's fascinating. So was that before or after the pregnancy? Do you remember? We'd have to look it up.

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I don't remember.

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I just wonder if uh those diseases played into it or you know just happen to have it. People should be tricks and maybe her cells like cured her, cured her up. I don't know.

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For any teenage girl or boy that maybe listen, that might live in my house. Sex kills. Don't have it, don't do it, don't read it, don't look at it.

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Don't do it.

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You see, we have a hundred downloads now.

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Yeah. Wow. Yeah, good for us.

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No, we just probably went down about 20.

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Now we're about negative.

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Now we have 69.

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Okay, I'll stop. Man, what's wrong with you? I don't know.

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I think it was, you know, it was a combination of things. Bad night's sleep, a little bit of frustration on the work front.

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Oh no.

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Um, I was rushing to get here. We had a brief interruption.

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We did have a good one.

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And then um the leftover cob of corn and a handful of hard salami that I had is.

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You really need to lunch better, I think. Because last time it was like peas or something random like that.

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What'd you have for lunch?

SPEAKER_01 14:04

I have not had lunch yet.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

I like talking about food.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Yeah. Well, this is not a food.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

No. But is your is your personality?

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Uh no. My person is not a foodie. Oh, wait. Oh, so hero or dick, uh absolutely a hero. Hero. I mean, how could you say anything other than that? The people she didn't know she was a hero. Those are the best kind. Unknown hero. They are the best kind. But that'd be a new category. Unknown hero. We might have to get into like different types of heroes. Because Cher was a diva hero.

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She was a diva hero.

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And Henrietta's unknown hero. Which a lot of people have.

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Well, she might know.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

She probably knows by now. Anyway, sorry, there's my but yeah, definitely a hero, I I think. Alright, so now I'm going to talk about uh my obscure topic person is uh a guy by the name of Michael Fagan. Not really is um how do you spell that last name? F-A-G-E-N. And he is the person who broke into Buckingham Palace into the Queen's bedroom in 1982. Hold up. It happened. It's real, not just because it was on the crown. Well, why is a good reason? So he was he's just a a 32-year-old unemployed tradesman, which I'm not sure what his trade was. Um windows, uh doors, not locks then no, he was just like a you know a worker, he's a laborer.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

So he um actually broke into Buckingham Palace twice in the 80s. So in the same year, actually, 1982, he broke in about June 7th, his wife left him, he was kind of drunk, just you know, just looking for mischief, and he said he was in search of uh uh water closet, aka Lou toilet, and he entered the palace by shimmying up a drain pipe, and he was spotted by a maid straight away. Security, though, took a while to catch him. They did finally catch him, but in the meantime, he sat on some thrones, he said he walked through some halls, he uh came across while looking for the water closet, came across the baby gift storage room because the prince and princess of Wales were expecting them. Drank a half a bottle of Charles's wine, which he said was cheap Californian.

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Oh.

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Um, and he found lots of rooms. He found Diana's Charles, but he couldn't find the water closet. So finally he relieved himself in a bin marked Corgi food. Sorry, Corgi's. I don't think they ate it though. Maybe I think they threw it away. Let's let's say that. So that was the first time he broke in. So uh, and that time he actually it said he said he grew so bored waiting for security, he decided to leave on his own. He couldn't really find his way out, and he said it was kind of harder to leave than to get in, but he did uh finally was um uh thrown out. So then uh a month later, after in between, he had been arrested and jailed for stealing a car, so he had some history of mischief. Wait, I'm sorry, criminal mischief. How far apart were these incidents? A month. So that was a month. He broke in, he never saw the queen. So then he returned to find the queen. A day after he got out of jail, got released on bail, and he went back. And people ask why, and he said, you know, I don't know.

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You wanted to finish the job.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

I guess he said, because it's naughty, because I wasn't supposed to. He had many reasons. Um, one reason was because I ate too many mushrooms um in my soup five months before that, magic mushrooms, and he said he was high for two years. That was one of his excuses. That's a long time. That's a long time, but I don't I don't know. I don't know. But really down with that one.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

But it's a lot of mushrooms.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

You know, if you break into Buckingham, I suppose you have lots of excuses. Have you been there? So he yes, I have, but I have not broken in.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

But I'm sorry, is it near other things?

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Um, no, not really.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Oh man, you'd think they'd see him coming a mile away.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

They and they did, but their security was not great. So when he shimmied up the same drain pipe, got up to a uh a rooftop, left his socks and sandals on the roof, and entered a window. Socks and sandals right there, socks and sandals. You're going to jail, buddy. But he was spotted by a police officer, but again, it took a long time to catch up with them. And I imagine it was '82, so they didn't have cameras all over like they do now. Um, you know, there was security, but they apparently their communication wasn't working well amongst themselves. So in the meantime, he had some he was his plan was uh he said he was gonna cut his wrists in front of the queen, but but he he got to her bedroom. It was very early in the morning, not early, early in the morning, but the queen sleeps in, I think. She she was old even then.

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She is alright too.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

She's yeah, yeah, she's got a lot to do. Sleep as long as you need. So um he got right in her bedroom and he she said, What are you doing here? And she rang an alarm bell that she has. She called on the phone. Well, I don't think it was like an actual buzzer, I think it was like a buzzer.

unknown 19:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

You know, like a but it would have been buzzable. It would have been like, you know, yeah, like a panic buzzer.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Like the red phone, but a button.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

But a button. She pressed the big button and she called on the phone twice. Finally, finally, uh, flagged down a maid and a footman, and they steered him away with the promise of a cigarette and a glass of scotch.

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That's all it took.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

That's all it takes sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Um, he was arrested, but amazingly, this is what I find amazing. Um, that he got in there and he he had contact with her. He said she just scurried away. They didn't really have conversation. There are some other uh like on the on the um Netflix show The Crown and some other places they say that they did have a conversation. He says, no, we really didn't. Um no criminal charges were filed because he trespassing was only a civil offense versus a criminal offense.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

But why'd he go to jail the first time?

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Oh, he because of the car in between.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

I gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yeah. So, but they did uh he was committed to a maximum security mental institution. Oh boy. And um the reason I chose him was because of this quote, which I can't find again, but I wrote it down years ago. He said, I'm not mentally ill, I'm just poor. And I bet a lot of people have that excuse.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

So he did get some fame from it. Um he in 1983 he sang God save the queen with uh the um uh punk band Bollock's brothers. Bollock Brothers. Uh but since then he's been charged with several clunk crimes, including uh assaulting a police officer, dealing heroin with His wife and kid. That got him four years in prison. And in decent exposure, which he said was a misunderstanding.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Of course it was.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

It always is. Yeah. He does still live in London. And as of 2020, he was alive. He wasn't doing well. He did get COVID a couple times. Said he had a heart attack and had a heart attack, but he's 70 now and he's still kicking around. I honestly I looked for his phone number. I could not find a way to reach him because I so desperately wanted to call him. So I'll keep working on it. He would have been on this podcast. He would be here right now. I bet he would. When is he doing? I mean, what is he doing? Really? Um so Michael Fagan of breaking into Is he still married? Uh I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

But I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

I just I'm picturing that moment when he breaks in and the queen's like, hey, what you doing?

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

I mean, what is that how how much time was there? And did they stare at each other? I mean, what did he do? I would have been like, what the fuck? I gotta get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

I think they did kind of have that moment, and she was like, What are you doing here? And also she had to be thinking, Where the fuck is my security people?

SPEAKER_00 23:11

I'd maybe employ some new security detail after the first time.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Yes, they did. Well, you think they would, but he got a big thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Well, they wear those big hats, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Hell yeah, part of them do. Hard to run with a lot of them. It's hard to get into a window with those two.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

They don't carry firearms.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Um I think that their police can carry firearms.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Not that you should.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

But yes, and reason through things. So Michael Fagan, I'm gonna um my analysis of him is I think he's a hero. Oh my god. Because he did it. Because he did it.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

You know, he's just a guy, he's just a dude like Henrietta, you know. They he didn't know what he had in him, and and that's what he did. And now, as sad as that is, that's his claim to fame, but really that's all he's got going for him.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Yeah. He could write a did he write a book at all? Uh, you could write a great book.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

I don't think so, but it would be a good book. He was on a a whole episode of The Crown was about I don't know what that is. It's a sh Netflix show that follows the royals.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

You like those royals.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

I love those royals. And even though I love those royals, most of them, um, I'm gonna call Michael Fagan. I'm gonna call him a hero.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Okay. Well, when we get him on, I'll some people might might say no, but I say. Was he drunk the second time?

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Um, I'm gonna guess. Okay, yes, but I don't know that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

A lot of things start with alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Well, plus he had a heroin in his background. I don't think he was on heroin. People on heroin aren't that ambitious. People who are drunk would do that.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Like, yeah, let's go do that.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

That'd be funny or cool or whatever. But yeah, yeah, people on heroin are just laying on the couch.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

He's got some mental issues on there.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

I think he does have some mental issues on there. I'd be curious to know. He says, I'm not mentally ill. I'm just poor.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

I don't know. I guess that works.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

I'm sure the queen would have called him a dick, but maybe not.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

I'm gonna say he's a dick. I don't know him though. What he did was kind of heroic, you know, like it did something Jim Morrison would do.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

He did something like the the I bet the everyday person. Some people would be a pal, but some people would be like, yeah, fuck yeah, take that, you royal son of a bitches. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Um how did you cut happen upon him again? Did you do it?

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Well, um, I I knew about him, but then I did uh review the crown, uh, the Netflix show The Crown. Okay. And like I said, a whole episode was about him. So and I vaguely remembered it, but not not in that detail. And they, you know, it's uh based on the truth, obviously. And I it they that episode I'm sure they embellished because they don't know exactly what happened. Queen wasn't, you know. It's fun to take liberties. Yeah.

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Fill in the blanks. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Um so I have two heroes, you have a hero and a dick.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

What do you have for fast five? Um not fast enough.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

You better come up with something. There's too much going on up there. Um in your head? Yeah. How about um biggest disappointments thus far in any type of research that you've been doing related to this show? Like people you thought were kind of cool and then found out they're kind of dicks.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Well, I haven't found out that so much as people that I thought were interesting are kind of boring.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Okay. That's fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Um I can't think of one right offhand, but um that's not a good fast fives. Even no, no, I have some fast fives.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Well then Lew it, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Okay, all right. Jeez. Okay, my fast fives are courtesy of Beth and Greg Heard. Because we were talking about fast fives and how diverse they could be, and they came up with the oddest fast fives. I could I would have never thought of them. So here's the first one is um buttons.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

So what do you think? Are buttons hero or dicks?

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Heroes.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Uh I'm gonna say heroes.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Except button flies.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Oh, agreed. How about um snaps?

SPEAKER_00 27:58

I don't really well. I lie. I like snaps, the looks of them on the shirts, like the pearl button snaps.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah. Like a cowboy shirt.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

But you know, you know what? No, fuck it. I do like snaps. That's a hero.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

I think you need more snaps in your shirts. I do too. Yeah. You get buttons.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

I do.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Okay, how about uh eye and hook? You know, uh uh uh it's like a little Yeah, like a latch? It's like a latch in your door. Well, like that, or like a like a fastener. I don't have one of them.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Were you drinking with these people when they came up with this list?

SPEAKER_01 28:41

No, we weren't. We were drinking coffee, actually.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

So oh that'll do it too.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Um, you know what? I uh anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Yeah, that's hero. How about iron hook?

SPEAKER_01 28:50

I I don't care for them. I'm gonna call them dick. Holy shit. How about uh zippers?

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Uh dick.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

I don't like zippers. Sleeping bag zippers are the worst.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Oh my god, they are out for revenge. They are revenging zippers. Yeah, they are. They never do what you want them to do. Getting them also the coat zipper that zips from the bottom up because it never zips when you want it to.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

No.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Okay, and the last one is velcro.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

No on the velcro? No. Is it too noisy?

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Because that's my I don't like the noise and it wears out after a while.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Okay. I think if you're a toddler, yes, you can have velcro or over 80, as with many things. Toddler or over 80.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

But uh, oh, here's velcro. But they could have put a snap on here.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

They could have, or magnet magnetic strip. Oh, that's magnetic. That's not even on there, and I like those. In fact, the lat the last time I was in a uh looking at baby clothes, the front of the little pajamas had magnetic closures, and that is genius.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Do you think the magnets do anything to your body?

SPEAKER_01 30:08

They give you uh great cells like Henrietta.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

I bet you she had magnets.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Magnets. I betcha. I don't know, but there's probably some purists who say you can't put magnets near the baby.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

You know, one of my favorite uses though of Velcro. What is that? The trapper keeper. The old ones.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Oh, a trapper keeper.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

But teacher always knew when you're opening your trapper keeper.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

You couldn't sneak around with a trapper keeper.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

And now I think they're magnetic.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

I think they are. I don't know. I don't own one, but the trapper keeper.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Man, the 80s.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Velcro. Too loved. So we'll call it a dick. Um, and I think overall, all those fives, uh, from those fives, the the buttons, the zippers of velcro to snap, the eye hook, not in that order, as they progressed. So maybe it was eye hook, snap, or probably buttons were before a snap. And then zippers and velcro. I think as each one took the place of the other, you know, change is good. We gotta, you know, we're we're trying to evolutionize even closed snaps. Right, right. Yeah. Which is what you think they are, but you know, they're everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, the first jack nut that came up with the zipper, and now it's on, you know, they applied them everywhere, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

And I hope they had a patent for it. I'm sure every all of these were patent at one time or another.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

God, can you imagine that coming up with that?

SPEAKER_01 31:44

A zipper. Anything whose mind is thinking of a zipper? I don't know. Not mine.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Probably somebody like you and your friends sitting around that campfire. Drinking coffee.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

We weren't around a campfire. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Why did I fish around the campfire? I think it's because we thought you were down the road from us this past weekend.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

It was not me. It was someone imitating me because of this podcast. Double ganger.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Um, another thing I've been thinking about, we're going over time, but I don't care. This is therapeutic for me, by the way. Okay. It is really I feel a lot better after we do this.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Very good.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Don't you?

SPEAKER_01 32:16

I do, yeah. Oh, I I totally love coming here and talking.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Yeah, and I sometimes think, ah, we should do it more, you know.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

But then I'm like, oh hundred, we get a hundred, that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Hundred for what?

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Uh downloads.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Oh, you mean just for us. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

We should do it more. Like but every other we do every two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Yeah, every other week is good. It's hard, I guess, otherwise.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

And look at me, I'm always changing the schedule.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

We're supposed to make Tuesday.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Well, I was thinking though, is we need, and maybe if we have a listener out there that has some talent.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Oh, let's give our um ready for this? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Go ahead, what we want to do.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

I was gonna say let's give our email address. Oh, go ahead. But then I can send it. Remember what it is.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

It's Hero or Zip 2023 at Gmail. Gmail.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

We'd love to get your message.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Gmail. Uh I think if we have anybody out there that has some talent, perhaps, because I was doing some research on my own and listening, intro and outro music.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Oh, yeah. Let us know what you want to hear for the music.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Or if you have some you you've made.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

You're not gonna get any money for it. No, nothing. We we'll mention that you created it.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

We'll pay you what we get paid.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Zip. This is a labor of love.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

I need to give one more shout out for a fast five subject that Cassidy gave me, and I thought it was so funny, I spit my food out. She said when I told her it was obscure, uh, the topic was obscure, people places, or things, she said, how about the inventor of the Snuggie?

SPEAKER_00 33:56

You know, I've never worn a Snuggie.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

I have not worn one either.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

You know, I'm really quick to say, I don't like the Snuggie, Dick. But you know what? I bet if I wore a Snuggie, I wouldn't think that.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

I bet if you went to the local high school football game and put your Snuggy on, like in the commercial, you would be ridiculed, but then you would be warm, so you wouldn't care.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

But it also might turn up a notch for my wife. I thought I'd throw that back in there. She can't stay away from me.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Even with a Snuggie? I don't know. If you wanted to keep her away from you, go to the store.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Do you think they have Snuggy conventions where everybody gets together in the street?

SPEAKER_01 34:36

I don't even know if Snuggie's a thing anymore.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Come on, I see it in the store, don't I?

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Oh, do you? I don't know. As seen on TV. It used to be such a huge thing.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Like you can get a two-person Snuggie, I think.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

Oh, I think you can get a whole family snuggie.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

The family snuggie.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

For cousins.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Oh God. If you don't want to marry him, you can snuggy with him.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Snuggy on the cool. All right. Let's get out of here before we get too bad.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

All right.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Okay, so that's our your dick this month or this week. And oh. And Jason Bateman, please email us. That'll do it. All right. Thanks.