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Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick, Ep. 14 - Johnny Depp
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Hero or Dick, Episode 14 Teaser: Delving into Depp
Ahoy, listeners! 🏴☠️ Set sail with us, Kate and KJ, as we navigate the high seas of Johnny Depp's storied life and career in the next episode of 'Hero or Dick.' From swashbuckling on-screen pirates to his headline-making off-screen escapades, we explore the depths of this enigmatic actor. Why's everyone obsessed with his teeth? And what's the real story behind his tumultuous relationship with Amber Heard?
As always, we’ll tickle your funny bone with our 'Fast Five' lists. But wait... there’s a twist this episode! We’re joined by a sparkling new voice, the delightful Jovi—KJ's very own daughter! Will her fresh perspective sway our final verdict on Depp?
Tune in to find out whether Captain Jack Sparrow himself is declared a 'Hero' or a 'Dick'. It's a journey full of surprises, insights, and more than a few laughs. Don't miss the boat—Episode 14 is docking soon! 🎬🎤🚢
Hey everybody. Welcome to number 14.
SPEAKER_03Hero Dick. We're broadcasting live from Horse Feather Studio.
SPEAKER_01In Rainy Alpine.
SPEAKER_03Rainy Alside, Rainy Alpina. So I'll.
SPEAKER_01The kind of day it's like, why did you bother to do your hair day? That's what I thought.
SPEAKER_03Um how's everything going?
SPEAKER_01Everything's great. Not really, my car got smashed. Yes. I hit a deer. We're northern Michigan, so you're gonna hit a deer. I mean, you just know that. Every now and then you're gonna hit a deer. But this deer, this time when I hit this deer, it came out of nowhere. And when people say that, you go, yeah, whatever. But it really like I was driving, and then there was a deer on my hood.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Did you keep it? We couldn't even find it. It ran away. Oh so when it happened so fast, it was eight o'clock in the morning. We're on our way to Traverse City Airport and we're driving, boom. I pull over. We're both okay, no airbags go off. Are you okay? Yep, yep, yeah. And then before we got out of the car, or very shortly thereafter, a lady who lives in the house where we hit the deer in front of came running out. I heard it. I heard it all. People hit deer here all the time. My husband's truck is in the shop right now.
SPEAKER_03No, couldn't.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And she was so good and so helpful because she had knowledge of it, and because she was a local, she's like, okay, call your insurance company. First, I called Delta, changed our flight, and then I called insurance company, and then you call a rental car, then you called collision. And so between Mary, thank you, Mary, between Mary, Mike, and I, we were all on the phone. We had to wait for the uh Mount Moransi police, who, when you call 911, you have to leave a message.
SPEAKER_03That's handy.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And then he was angry at us. He said we did not leave a message.
SPEAKER_03So cops are nothing wrong. Just ask him.
SPEAKER_01Why would you even want to come there? I mean, that must happen every single day in that area. It was near view. Why did they even show up?
SPEAKER_02Because at the right time, well, they didn't in the end.
SPEAKER_01They're like, wait, wait, we're gonna send an officer, and we waited and waited and missed our flight, waited, and then they said, Oh, never mind, we're not gonna come. Sometimes they'll show up to Right, but there wasn't even a carcass.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So maybe you've made up the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01You saw the picture in the car.
SPEAKER_03I know, I did.
SPEAKER_01I got really angry and it punched it with my fist. That's how it happened.
SPEAKER_03Well, that or you know, I know what you did last summer.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01But we did not find the body, so I'm assuming it's a deer. Maybe it's Sasquatch. There is like a lot of cutouts of Sasquatch there in that area.
SPEAKER_03That could be the one of the next topics. Okay. We don't have Sasquatch today. We also we have a guest too before I uh move on and introduce her. Um I've never hit a deer. Well, you're due, buddy. I'm just kidding, I have. And that's maybe where our guest uh would have some insight. Uh introducing Jovi.
SPEAKER_00You looked on the paper?
SPEAKER_01Let me just double check that name.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, he did hit a deer.
SPEAKER_01Were you with him?
SPEAKER_00Yes. I was in the car eating my McDonald's.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that attracted the deer. It was a big one.
SPEAKER_00Oh, no, no, no, no. It was a baby.
SPEAKER_01Oh, the baby.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that was a horrible day.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It's never fun to hit the baby.
SPEAKER_03We came from, we were looking at a cottage, too.
SPEAKER_01You know what's almost worse is if you hit the mother and then the baby is left. Yeah. Yeah. So you didn't get that cottage because bad mojo. Oh, no, no. That ruined the whole day. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00I spilled my fries. Oh, right there. I did.
SPEAKER_03Yes, snowflake. I'm just kidding. Uh, the reason I brought Joey in is because she has a half-day of school today, and also I heard a podcast that she did with a friend. Um who was pretty impressed.
SPEAKER_01We could do better. What's uh it takes time to practice. What's the name of your podcast?
SPEAKER_00Oh, well, it was just like for a school project.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00We had to do a a news report or a like a uh what is it called?
SPEAKER_03A news report.
SPEAKER_00Basically, yeah, about the dangers of fentanyl and spreading fentanyl awareness and that kind of type of stuff.
SPEAKER_01So you did like a podcast news.
SPEAKER_00Like a radio type thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right. How long was it?
SPEAKER_00I think it was like a minute, 30 seconds.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, I was gonna say it wouldn't be hard to fill a lot of time with that topic. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It probably wasn't in the keep ours about a minute and a half.
SPEAKER_01I do try to keep them rolling because you know your ramble's on.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you hear that?
SPEAKER_01Oh, the heat's on.
SPEAKER_03The heat's on, little noise in the background. Distract you from the live studio audience that we have.
SPEAKER_01So what's our topic today?
SPEAKER_03Uh Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01No, it's not. No, it's not.
SPEAKER_03Who is it? Joey.
SPEAKER_00Johnny Depp.
SPEAKER_03Johnny Depp.
SPEAKER_01JD.
SPEAKER_00JD.
SPEAKER_03Voted Ugliest Man Alive at one point.
SPEAKER_01What you're with the Sexiest Man Alive.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. 90s probably.
SPEAKER_01Probably, probably.
SPEAKER_03You think he's sexy today?
SPEAKER_01Uh oh, that's uh very sexy as Willy Wonka. I I do love this Willy Wanka. What's your favorite Johnny Duck movie?
SPEAKER_00Ooh.
SPEAKER_01That's tough, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00That is tough.
SPEAKER_01He's got a wide variety when you look at his all of his movies because he does, you know, weird stuff. Well, mostly weird stuff for me. Him and Tim Burton must be tight. Yeah. Yeah. Willie Wonka, I really like uh Scissor Hands. I was gonna say, yeah. Scissor hand, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Who else could have done that? Nobody. No, no, no. Michael Keaton. Didn't he do it that no, but I like Michael Keaton, but no, he couldn't have done it. Um he can only What's that one movie?
SPEAKER_03Uh oh, what's Eating Gilbert, right? Oh, mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01That was he was really young in that. And so um he's got many movies. I think his uh body of movies Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. That is a bizarre movie that you watch, and then uh we have a friend who watched it and he said, I was hungover after I watched it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah? Oh yeah, you're on a trip when you're you know imagine chewing a gummy before you watch that one.
SPEAKER_01Okay, and then he's got the whole Pirates franchise, which I'm sorry, but I like at least the first two. I haven't seen it.
SPEAKER_03I've never watched them, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I did I love the first one.
SPEAKER_03They're pretty good.
SPEAKER_01Uh the second one was good, and then I don't know. And then how about when he was like Alice Wonderland? That's it, I was gonna say yeah, he was good in that. Um, and that role was really good um for him, I think. He he nailed that one. But I also like him when he is uh playing like a real person. He played Whitey Bulger in Black Mass. That was a great movie, and he also was uh Derringer in Public Enemies, another great movie, totally different from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. But you know what my favorite movie is that he's in?
SPEAKER_03Hold on. Nightmare on Elm Street.
SPEAKER_01Is he in that?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that was his breakout role, 1985.
SPEAKER_01No, but this is a breakout role too. It's Platoon. Oh shit. He's a mere child in it. He he looks like he's 12. He's a wee lad. He's adorable. He's adorable. I don't know that he's so adorable now. I mean, you know, none of us are getting any younger, and he's my age. So he still looks good. I mean, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I uh from you know, I've been talking to a lot of the actors and actresses that worked with him. No, but watching some uh documentaries and whatnot, and uh they really enjoy working with him. They say he's a pretty stand-up dude. Um, and uh one one thing I thought was interesting is um one actress, gosh, who was it? Nicole Kidd? I don't know, somebody had a makeup with him in a movie and they made him uh brush his teeth and bring some mouthwash because he's a chain smoker.
SPEAKER_01Oh, and he said, My teeth are really gross and I'm proud of him. Well, that's not really a good thing to be.
SPEAKER_03Maybe that's why he's always like this. He never smartered.
SPEAKER_01I don't know, he's covering the mouth. And you know what? If you look at his teeth, because they had one picture, and he does have really funky teeth.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you'd think he could get those fuckers fixed.
SPEAKER_01Oh, he could. He doesn't want to. He loves his he said he loves his fentanyl. No, that was a different podcast. Um I I can't remember what he called him, something like gross, but Mike and Ike's. No, his teeth. Oh, his teeth are like Mike and Ike?
SPEAKER_03No, I thought he liked something that made his teeth bad.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_03Like maybe like those carbon.
SPEAKER_01No, but he said he loves his teeth being gross. That's really strange. That is weird.
SPEAKER_03Well, he probably doesn't have any money to fit get them fixed, eh?
SPEAKER_01No, no, not now.
SPEAKER_03No. He's had some troubles. You know, the Disney thing though, that actually uh was a bit of a contentious relationship, he and Disney, because they didn't want him to play the pirate the way that he wanted to play it because you know the pirate might be a little gay or uh Oh, see I didn't, yeah, they alluded to some stuff. Um again, this was a documentary on my own personal views. I don't care if he's gay or not. I love everybody.
SPEAKER_01I would think of anything he's by because he does he has had a lot of girlfriends.
SPEAKER_03They weren't sure what to think he doesn't have boyfriends. Of his uh who would win in a fight? DiCaprio or Depp?
SPEAKER_01Oh, DiCaprio is much healthier.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Shy but young girlfriend.
SPEAKER_03How about a drinking contest?
SPEAKER_01Oh, Johnny Depp, hands down. He loves the wine, I hear.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um, do you have any input for us thus far?
SPEAKER_00Um well, speaking of his relationships, what about the Amber Heard trial situation?
SPEAKER_01Ha ha ha ha. Yeah, so don't you wonder how much of that on both sides is embellished? Yeah. Because they're so contentious towards each other.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, what happened there?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, it was something well, what I heard, because it went around like the whole social media platforms and everything, is that there was something about uh I think domestic abuse type situation. Like how you were she does that a lot. It's just it's not really I think it's out of love.
SPEAKER_01And and I think that might be true even, but I think they are both drinkers. And so sometimes when people drink, they get into arguments and then it escalates into physical arguments, and I'm not saying that he or she is not physically abusive to the other person, but it ratchets it ratchet things up, it does, it adds to it, and I I think that's a problem.
SPEAKER_03His wife of 14 years, whom actually he left to boink Amber Heard, or they were working on a movie together, correct?
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, and so if you were going to be uh working on a movie with Johnny Depp, you should probably, and you're a woman, your husband or your boyfriend should probably just leave you right then. Just you know, let's save some time. You're going to work with Johnny Depp. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, your marriage is over. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I know you're gonna happen. He's got those nasty teeth, but he's got the nasty teeth, and he changed smokes but yeah, he's perfect. Oh, he's the alcoholic, probably. Slaps her on its head.
SPEAKER_03Don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_01A little bit, a little bit. But he's so impishly cute that he gets away with that. That is his his uh beauty and his curse. Yeah, he's got the beauty of a cute guy.
SPEAKER_0321 changes.
SPEAKER_01Or the curse, let's say the curse of a cute guy.
SPEAKER_03That's when he became the heartthrob, right?
SPEAKER_01I never watched I didn't either.
SPEAKER_03I'm just going by what I'm reading, but probably. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, the Amber Heard thing. Anyway, the wife of 14 years uh came to his defense and said, Johnny's not like that. Yeah. But shit happens. People can say, I've no, I didn't think Jeffrey Dahmer would do that. You know, I always thought he was a nice guy.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no. You know, it's perceived. You don't know. That's true. Yeah, that's true. You never know who's gonna do what.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um, you know what movie I I didn't get? The Tourist. Uh with Angelina Jolie. That was really like Sazz between them.
SPEAKER_01Oh, see.
SPEAKER_03I don't think she probably was like, F you. I got Brad Pitt, because I'm sure that was the Bradley days.
SPEAKER_01Was that the Brad Pitt era?
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so she didn't need no JD. No.
SPEAKER_03So I guess unless you're married to or dating a man like Brad Pitt.
SPEAKER_01No, just Brad Pitt. Just Brad Pitt. Well, that's it. It's just Brad Pitt. That's everybody else's screw.
SPEAKER_03Um anything else about Johnny that we should know? Where'd he come from? What's his real name?
SPEAKER_00He's from Kentucky, I think.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Owensboro. Owensboro? Oh yeah, Owensboro, Kentucky, June 9th.
SPEAKER_01June 9th. Hey.
SPEAKER_0061.
SPEAKER_0161. So he is 62. 61. Anyway, he's he's older. Older.
SPEAKER_03Distinguished.
SPEAKER_01Uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I don't know about it.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say not anymore.
SPEAKER_03He's not AJ1.
unknownYou go.
SPEAKER_03I think we agree on that one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, I don't. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah. You know, if he gets over this Amber Heard thing, which all things considered, he kind of came out on top. Yeah, he did.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, he was kind of a smirky little cocky. You know, oh he was.
SPEAKER_00He was cocky in court.
SPEAKER_01Impishly cute.
SPEAKER_03You're Johnny Depp. Who cares?
SPEAKER_01He's probably boinking the lawyer. And the judge. And the judge. Okay. That's how he gets through the court.
SPEAKER_00Actually, everyone in the courthouse.
SPEAKER_01Everybody. Except Amber Heard.
SPEAKER_00Except Amber. Well, who knows? Well, I was gonna say, who knows? Okay.
SPEAKER_03Get together, make up, eat some Cheetos.
SPEAKER_01He was also uh, well, you did say 21 Jump Street because he was a heart throb, you know, in the 80s, like when Jason Bateman was a heart throb.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_01Maybe they had some connection. We don't know.
SPEAKER_03That's interesting because on the last episode of Smartless that I listened to, um, it was the Jimmy Kimmel live one. Did you listen to that one? I did not. They were all joking about how Jason Bateman knows everybody because he's been around for so long, you know. And they would say a name and he'd be like, Oh yeah, like Mr. T. And they're like, What? He's like, Oh yeah, I knew him pretty well, and then these other people. But then there's other things that he can't remember with beans. Uh but I bet he did know Johnny Depp.
SPEAKER_01I bet they went out to the Viper Room in LA.
SPEAKER_03Oh, God, yeah. Remember the Viper Room, Choby?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I wasn't listening. Okay.
SPEAKER_01I've just been like all of our audience members.
SPEAKER_03It's nice to have one with us. I mean, no, she's not listening.
SPEAKER_00Hey, I listen to some of your podcasts. I know you do. I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_03She you've been telling people about it, right?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_03Good.
SPEAKER_01Um well when we I was on the trip, I was trying to drop it whenever I could. And I just want to give a shout out to my fellow Travers City traveler. Uh I didn't catch her name, but she had a really cute hat on.
SPEAKER_03Betsy.
SPEAKER_01And we I didn't catch her name. But she had a really cute hat on. We don't know. We don't know. She was from Traverse City originally. She had gone there to meet up and have a little reunion with her girlfriends, but then she was flying back to Minnesota. I don't even know. I'm I'm not sure if she lives there or not, but we had a nice conversation about books, and that led to the podcast, and she said her vote for Johnny Depp is that he's probably both a hero and a dick.
SPEAKER_03As most are. You can argue both sides. What kind of books did you talk to her about?
SPEAKER_01Um, we were talking about what we were reading, and I can't remember exactly what it was.
SPEAKER_03Did you mention the fact that we want to start our own press?
SPEAKER_01I didn't, no, because we haven't talked about that long. Did you mention that? Yeah, I would still like to do that.
SPEAKER_03I would too, you know.
SPEAKER_01But I didn't give her the podcast I told her. So if you're listening, because I did tell her to listen, uh, email us at hero or dick2023.
SPEAKER_03023 at gmail.
SPEAKER_01Yes.com. At gmail. Um wait because I had a lovely conversation with her and she was so cool.
SPEAKER_03Speaking of books, Johnny Depp, Secret Window.
SPEAKER_01That was a good movie. I liked it. It got panned, man.
SPEAKER_03Stephen King. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Stephen King. You know why it got panned? Because it was similar to a lot of other movies.
SPEAKER_03Stephen King movies.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, Stephen King. I mean, it wasn't like it was, you know, big stretch. But uh it was I thought it was a pretty good movie.
SPEAKER_03Stephen King. Heroic, we could do him.
SPEAKER_01Oh okay. I'm gonna tell you right now I think he's a hero.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say hero. Alright, we don't need to do that. Yeah, we're cramming them all in our our fast five and just checking up the list. But yeah, I love Stephen King, so yeah. Sorry.
SPEAKER_03Johnny Depp likes Stephen King.
SPEAKER_01Did he? I don't know. I don't know. You like Tim Burton? Yeah, still.
SPEAKER_00Why are you BSing on your podcast? You're making up stuff already.
SPEAKER_01Oh, we always make up facts. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's okay when you do it. He does it on a daily basis.
SPEAKER_01Oh boy. Beyond the podcast. We're not supposed to bring our personal lives into the show.
SPEAKER_03Just kidding. You know, Jovi, by the way, um tying with tying in with writing and creativity and all that jazz. So she's taken upon herself to have the family schedule written on this windowboard thing we have in our Is it the secret window? It is a secret window, but everyone can see it. And she writes quotes of the day. And I take a picture of them to keep them because they're all nice like.
SPEAKER_00Did you take a picture of the quote today?
SPEAKER_03Just hold on, I'm getting there. And it's always beautiful things like, you know, don't lose sight of what's important in life. You. Or make someone smile today.
SPEAKER_00Or others, you don't need to look to others for your validation. You have your own.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And today.
SPEAKER_01Okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03Today said.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, I swapped it. That was the one from yesterday. I had to change it.
SPEAKER_03I know, but the one today says shut up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Sometimes that's sometimes that can be useful online.
SPEAKER_03I guess.
SPEAKER_00I've given you guys your it's my quote of the day.
SPEAKER_03No, I like it. And you know, it's okay. You do some good ones and then.
SPEAKER_01Especially if you shut up and listen.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Very important.
SPEAKER_01Just just be. Just be.
SPEAKER_03Alright, what else have we got about Johnny?
SPEAKER_01So where wait, where are you getting your quotes? My hand. She makes them. Oh, good, good, good. My favorite quote, and I just saw it today because I wrote it on a piece of paper and I stuck it like on a post-it out where I see it sometimes. Um because it was a favorite quote of my mom's. And it is um don't mistake my kindness for stupidity.
SPEAKER_00I think that's how it goes. I think I've heard that one.
SPEAKER_01John Barrymore. Look it up. I got you. Not stupidity. What is it though? It's my favorite quote. I love it so much.
SPEAKER_03I love it so much.
SPEAKER_01Don't mistake my kindness for caring? No. Just like don't take advantage of me. I got you. You know, just because I'm kind doesn't mean it's not stupidity, though. It's generos. No, what is it? There's a lot of John Barrymore. I thought it was Who's John Barrymore? Oh, somebody who said something.
SPEAKER_03Is it related to Drew?
SPEAKER_01Would it be her like grandfather?
SPEAKER_03We're getting off.
SPEAKER_01I really should have wrote this down. I didn't know Linel Barrymore was Lionel Barrymore.
SPEAKER_03He played that creep from Oh, he had a lot of good roles. It's a wonderful life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03The guy in the wheelchair. Mr. Potter.
SPEAKER_00Is it don't mistake my kindness for weakness? Yes. There you go. Thank you, Jovi.
SPEAKER_01Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.
SPEAKER_03She could be our fact checker.
SPEAKER_01So I just like that it's like, yeah, I'll help you out or give you support. Don't think I'm gonna don't take advantage of it.
SPEAKER_03I like that.
SPEAKER_01I like it too.
SPEAKER_03I can't see somebody taking advantage of you.
SPEAKER_01People try all the time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but you know how to put them in place, their place.
SPEAKER_01Well, you have to, right, Jovi?
SPEAKER_00Yep. Quote of the day. Shut up.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Indeed.
SPEAKER_01Um there's so many times I want to use that.
SPEAKER_03The uh I do.
SPEAKER_01Let's talk about that. You know, and the other quote that I really like is karma takes too long. Let me punch you right now.
SPEAKER_03People don't like that. We don't advocate violence on the podcast.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03But only in certain situations.
SPEAKER_01It's just uh just a saying. Okay, so uh verdict on Johnny Depp.
SPEAKER_03I don't know what I'm thinking now about Drew Barrymore. No, you ever watch Santa Clarita Diet?
SPEAKER_00Oh. No.
SPEAKER_03She loves that show.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh. Okay, this is my time to try.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_00So this this um show is on Netflix called the Santa Clarita Diet. It's about this woman. She has a husband and a kid, a teenage kid, and she gets this disease from Eating a bad clam, basically. Her name is Sheila, and her husband, Joel, he um well, she becomes undead from this. Meaning she ha they have to kill people to eat them, and she's like, Well, you can leave me and stuff, but he basically he stays by her side and he helps her with this lifestyle and their whole family. But they have to find a way of like killing people and not getting caught, and they're only killing bad people. And they said they're I'll never forget the first thing they said, their uh first victim they wanted to be is essentially a young it was like a young Hitler. Yeah, a young bad Hitler, and that's the type of people they went after.
SPEAKER_03That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01I've always that is interesting because I just read a book called The Book Eaters, and you think I thought they eat books, and they do, but they also uh at a certain point have to eat people, and there's seems to be like to me a real surgence um eating people on cannibalism. There's a bunch of books out now, and like this show, and well, maybe we're revisiting that.
SPEAKER_03Could be.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna vote against cannibalism.
SPEAKER_03I've yeah, Dick. I I watched a couple because I can't hand there's a lot of uh there's gore in that that yeah that show cleared that I like that.
SPEAKER_01I know if you eat people, you probably it probably gets gore. It gets really gory. Even that book was kind of bad.
SPEAKER_03No, I mean I I raised you really well. Look at you. You're smart, you're good looking.
SPEAKER_00You got my looks, but the I kind of take offense to that.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know, you come home and you you know she's watching Santa Clara die, and it's like, uh oh. And then I said, You shouldn't watch it. She's like, I'm already two seasons in.
SPEAKER_00I've I've watched that whole show probably around.
SPEAKER_03The writing is excellent.
SPEAKER_01Does it make you want to go out and kill people?
SPEAKER_00No. Alright. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_03Just the young Hitlers.
SPEAKER_00Just the young Hitlers.
SPEAKER_01Do you want to go out and eat clams now? Probably not.
SPEAKER_03She eats oysters all the time.
SPEAKER_01I I like oysters. Well, I just came back from Seattle, so I Oh, you had the real thing. I had the oysters, clams, flounder, everything. No, I didn't, and I didn't eat any people.
SPEAKER_03Wait. Do you have a few minutes to tell us? Um about Seattle?
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, but let's see. Uh let's see. Oh, you want to do the fast.
SPEAKER_03Oh, we got our fast five.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So what do you think, Hero or Dick?
SPEAKER_03I think he's a combination of both. I want to call him a dick because he just looks like a dick and he's got those awful rounds. He's cocky and jealous.
SPEAKER_01He's cocky.
SPEAKER_03I think that he's a really good actor. And I also saw a lot about his he does a lot of visits to children's hospitals. I actually watched videos of him going. It was heart-wrenching. He's there with these kids, you know, and he's dressed up as Jack, whatever his name is, the pirate. Come on. Anywhere he goes, he takes that outfit with him. And if there's a children's hospital, it goes.
SPEAKER_00I see now. Well, it can be argued both ways. Like today I just had to write.
SPEAKER_03I mean, he might be getting paid to do it. No, I'm just kidding. No.
SPEAKER_00Today I had to write an essay about um Andrew Carnegie, uh, hero or villain, is what we do.
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SPEAKER_03Anyway, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01No, I like I didn't say it. But he said it, but I didn't.
SPEAKER_00But it could be argued both ways, obviously, because no matter like there, someone's gonna think there's more bad things than good things, some are gonna think there's more good things than bad things. It depends on how much research you do. And we don't know about his like personal life.
SPEAKER_01But most people are like that. Like Andrew Carnegie is a perfect example of that.
SPEAKER_00Most people are what I had to write is what I wrote for my essay was he's done the these many bad things, but he's also done these many good things. But I don't think doing a bad thing makes you a bad person. Right.
SPEAKER_01Right, right. We're only human. I mean, who who every good person has done bad things. But overall, Johnny Dell, I'm gonna say hero. Hero. I've changed in my mind.
SPEAKER_00Hero. Um what? Speaking of doing bad things. I ate one of your sugar cookies at the first school.
SPEAKER_03I'm getting so fat again, it's unbelievable. Last night before bed, just but anyway, I'm gonna say hero. What do you say, hero? What hero?
SPEAKER_01Hero. Okay. Would you say hero if he was hero?
SPEAKER_03Not good looking.
SPEAKER_01You know why? Because he's like you. He is with bad smoker. And he's got horrible brushes. Chain smoker. Chain smoker. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03So like old. You know? Yeah, it's so 80s. It's like I see people smoke and I'm like, you look so dumb. You know what I mean? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01When we were in um Seattle, there was, you know, a lot of homeless people there. And I'm like, how are you smoking?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I I mean, I don't think they're buying packs of cigarettes because they're expensive, but like, how are you? Oh my god. I guess they're doing drugs too. Most are expensive.
SPEAKER_00So oh, I'm gonna. Can I say one of Austin's quotes from PBL?
SPEAKER_03Sure. Okay, so it better to be wait a minute.
SPEAKER_01Do you need to write it down first?
SPEAKER_03No, go ahead and say it as long as you know it's not gonna be He'll be fine. Not he?
SPEAKER_00Oh no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. So I have PBL with Austin DeRoja, a little shout out.
SPEAKER_03Friend. Boyfriend.
SPEAKER_00Every side from Father. Okay.
SPEAKER_03No, I like Austin.
SPEAKER_00We're in PBL, which is project-based learning, for history and it's English mixed together. We're studying some history, and uh the teacher was talking about inflation and he the teacher goes, Does anyone have any examples of inflation in Austin? Like blurts out for a class of 50 students to hear, yeah, cigarettes are eight dollars now in October for stuff.
SPEAKER_03What the hell? That's pretty good, actually. That's pretty random.
SPEAKER_01I like that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, good old Austin.
SPEAKER_01Oh thanks, Austin.
SPEAKER_03When did your uh kids start dating? Not your kids, your your kids start dating other people. Wow.
SPEAKER_01So when did your kids start each other? Yeah, what the hell, man? My kids don't date each other. One is actually married, not to the other one.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Um, they started later. Late teens, like teens. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, she's not dating dating.
SPEAKER_01See, they're dating, but right, you know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Supervised visits like they're in prison.
SPEAKER_01As long as they're not conjugal. All right, the fast five. Okay, fast five. Here's mine. Ready? Yeah. And you guys just answer. Here are the things.
SPEAKER_03I'll try not to talk. She's trying to keep me in line.
SPEAKER_01We're at 29. Okay, here's my first one. Cracks.
SPEAKER_03Oh, the shoes? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna go with hero.
SPEAKER_03Uh hero.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. I'm gonna say dick on them. Although I do have one. You gotta let your toes be. They're kind of cute. And they're convenient to wear in the rain.
SPEAKER_00They're a little overrated because everyone wears them, but they're comfy, so like true.
SPEAKER_01Um, and you know, should we really care how much they look?
SPEAKER_00Not really. Gotta let your toes break.
SPEAKER_01Uh, how about raisins?
SPEAKER_00Hero.
SPEAKER_03Hero.
SPEAKER_00Why'd you get real?
SPEAKER_01Even raisins and cookies? Yeah. Semilants.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, it depends on how you prepare them. Like, I think they're fine.
SPEAKER_01You don't like raisins. No, I don't.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you're real.
SPEAKER_01Even golden raisins? Yeah, I love those. But you know what? I love grapes so much.
SPEAKER_03And wine.
SPEAKER_01No, I don't. I don't drink wine.
SPEAKER_03You don't? No. Your mother drinks wine.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, my mom likes wine a little bit. Most people I wish I did because I love looking at all the bottles, and their labels are so pretty. Great names. And their names, and it's uh they're so cool.
SPEAKER_03There's nothing better than like a $14 bottle of wine with a crazy name. And it'll taste great. That's what I like.
SPEAKER_01And my girlfriends tell me that a wine buzz is different from any other buzz.
SPEAKER_03It's the best.
SPEAKER_01Well, I don't get a headache. Sober. We've got to stay strong.
SPEAKER_03Hey, actually, speaking of that, I'm interrupting your list again. But I'm coming up on three years. So Brian. Good for you. November 4th.
SPEAKER_01Oh, November 4th. So we're really coming up. Fast five. Stanford. Okay. Sorry. Vaccines.
SPEAKER_02Hero.
SPEAKER_01Alright. Oh my god. How about group texts?
SPEAKER_03Dangerous dick.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I like the ones that we have for family.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you want me to name me say the name of our why not? It's because homicidal heroes.
SPEAKER_03Does that tie into Santa Clara River diet? By bad parenting?
SPEAKER_00And then the picture of the group jazz of me eating an enchilada.
SPEAKER_03Oh Lord. I don't think I'm bringing her back.
SPEAKER_01One more. Dear. Guess what I say?
SPEAKER_03Ah, you're gonna say dick. I think they're little itty bitty furry heroes.
SPEAKER_00I say hero, but why do they run at the sound of a crunch of a leaf, but then they stand when there's a 16-ton truck.
SPEAKER_01That is exactly why they're dicks. Okay, maybe about five.
SPEAKER_03I I actually prepared.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. I didn't really.
SPEAKER_03I just wrote them down a little while ago. I'm gonna do uh Halloween characters. Okay. Frankenstein.
SPEAKER_00Hero Hero.
SPEAKER_03Dracula.
SPEAKER_00Well, what Dracula are we talking about?
SPEAKER_03Whatever one you want to.
SPEAKER_00Hero.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Count Dracula. Hero.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Freddy Krueger.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna say hero because my daughter Jenna married a guy named Mike Krueger. And so when she goes to school, the kid she tells the kids, my husband's name's Freddie. So don't fucking with me. She doesn't say that.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I'd say hero. He's just misunderstood.
SPEAKER_03Really? I think isn't he a burnt-up child molester that's a good one?
SPEAKER_00But we don't talk about that part.
SPEAKER_03I say he's a dick. And then Jason. Friday the 13th. Jason.
SPEAKER_01So what was his deal? Why was he?
SPEAKER_03I think his mother messed him up. Actually, his mother was the killer in one or two movies.
SPEAKER_00Oh well, that's not his fault.
SPEAKER_01And it's not really a hero because what he did, but still, is it his fault? You know. I'm gonna say.
SPEAKER_00I'm on the fence on for this one.
SPEAKER_03You can't be.
SPEAKER_00That's too bad.
SPEAKER_03Alright. Um Mike Myers.
SPEAKER_00Hero. Hero. By name only. You know, the um If only they caught him sooner when he was killing animals.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, good point.
SPEAKER_00Well, and you know, parents ignore the signs.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's quite a sign, too.
SPEAKER_00When you when your kid's rats are mysteriously dying and he's like, yeah, I flushed it down the toilet. And mom just goes, Oh, I'll buy another one. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01What happened to that one?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and like he's already coming from a bad house, so the mom knows.
SPEAKER_01So that's more on his parents, really.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, I I don't blame everything on the parents, but I know.
SPEAKER_03Man, remember that.
SPEAKER_00Parents get a bad rap.
SPEAKER_03Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Listen, I'm not particularly talking about you.
SPEAKER_01That could be the quote of the day.
SPEAKER_03We gotta um wrap wrap this up. I'm trying to keep Kate in line here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you guys. Anyway, Halloween is coming up.
SPEAKER_03It is, yeah. You don't pass out candy.
SPEAKER_01I don't because of where I live, nobody comes.
SPEAKER_03My wife bugged Gordon Foods for like four days.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you got how many trick-or-treaters do you get?
SPEAKER_03Hundreds.
SPEAKER_01By the way, I like your peanuts cut out.
SPEAKER_03Oh, thanks.
SPEAKER_01That is really cute.
SPEAKER_03She said peanuts. Yeah, the front yard. Oh, don't drive by my house. I was just gonna say, come on by. Come on, get your full-sarge candy bar. Look at my peanuts cutout.
SPEAKER_01We better wrap it up.
SPEAKER_03Alright, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Thank you, Jovi, for joining us.
SPEAKER_00Thanks, Jovi.
SPEAKER_01You can come every week.
SPEAKER_03You guys can email us.
SPEAKER_00I think I should get my own microphone and headphones next time. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Well we're gonna save up for it. Katie.
SPEAKER_01He made me pay for half.
SPEAKER_03I know. Um our email address is hero or dick2023 at gmail.com.
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SPEAKER_03We put it on it's everywhere. Everywhere. I don't know. It's everywhere. Yeah, this podcast can be found on Amazon. I know it's on every platform. Yeah.
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