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Hero or Dick - Season 2, Ep 3 - Pablo Picasso
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Hero or Dick: The Picasso Enigma
Can the 'dickishness' associated with artistic brilliance still find a place in today's polite society?
Dive into a whirlwind journey through the life and art of one of history's most celebrated and debated figures. This episode of Hero or Dick peels back the layers of Picasso's complex world, from his groundbreaking contributions to modern art to the contentious tales behind his iconic status.
Join Kate and KJ for an episode filled with intriguing insights and spirited discussion as they dissect the life of a man who saw the world in shapes and colors radically different from anyone before him.
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Pablo Picasso
Speaker 1Okay , hi , can you hear me ? I can't get anybody else oh we won't know because , nobody emails us at hero or dick 2023 at gmailcom .
Speaker 2Actually we didn't get it . We did actually get email , that plural no .
Speaker 1And it was from family . Oh , but that counts . Yeah , that's good . That's good . It's a season 2 episode and it's a beautiful day here in Alpina .
Speaker 2Michigan , february and sunny , we'll take it .
Speaker 1You're looking forward to Valentine's Day , I guess .
Speaker 2I really don't celebrate it .
Speaker 1Yeah , don't lie .
Speaker 2I might buy some chocolate the next day when it's on sale , but I don't really , you know . No , I think it's a Hallmark holiday , I really do , but don't , we need it .
Speaker 1Some people need to stop and get flowers for their wife .
Speaker 2Sounds like you , or maybe their husband or whatever . Maybe people need a reason to be romantic I don't know Just romantic all the time , mario , you know what he said candy , and that's one of my favorite things .
Speaker 1I got it . You know , we all know about the cookie thing . I have an issue with that . But you know what I've been eating the last couple days ? Skittles , oh no , but those I get too , those damn nerds . Jelly beans , oh , those are good , yeah , so are the jellybelly , no the starburst ones . Oh , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2And I'm not even a jelly bean person , but those are delicious .
Speaker 1Jelly bellies are great . Is that what they're called ? Well , the famous ones are jellybells and if you go to big lots they sell belly flops , which are the jellybelly rejects Really . Yeah , and they're great and they're all shaped weird and stuff .
Speaker 2But I'm not prejudiced . They're like a bucket bag . Oh , my gosh , oh .
Speaker 1I'll have to go check that out Anyway . Okay , well , anyway , speaking of romantic , our topic today is Pablo Picasso . Oh , he was a romantic . All right , he was .
Speaker 2I'm gonna say no , not so much . I think he wooed women and customers until he didn't need to anymore .
Speaker 1Yeah . Yeah , I think he used quite a few people he did . I think he objectified . I mean , that was normal back in the day . And one thing I learned about studying this fellow and it's one documentary I was watching it's a good point . We talk about this often as we judge people hero or dick . This is entertainment . Don't get pissed off at us , it's just a show . But the thing is .
Speaker 2It's really our opinion too .
Speaker 1Yeah , everybody is entitled to their opinion .
Speaker 2They're wrong , we're giving you the info so you can decide Sure .
Speaker 1What do you think Hero or dick and the ? It's all about context , because back in the 1800s , early 1900s , whatever , that's a different time we're judging somebody now based on what we know .
Speaker 2Right . So if he was living in the world today . It is a total dick . But we'll see if he's a hero or dick . And thank you a belly food to Beth Hurd for giving us the topic suggestion in an email .
Speaker 1Belly food . Thank you I have a confession to make real quick . Somebody touched your microphone .
Speaker 2Oh .
Speaker 1When you weren't here .
Speaker 2Was it like with a body part ? No , Like , oh never mind .
Speaker 1I just thought , stepbrothers all of a sudden were rubbing his balls on a drum set . No , nothing like that . Now I had two friends in here . As you know , I had a bit of a problem with alcohol in the past and so it's over for going up years . But I had some friends who recently quit drinking and I'm like , hey , you know what , it might be a good idea just to get together and talk about that and other things you know , so you're not losing it up . And so we came in here and they weren't really impressed with our setup , but that was pretty cool . Maybe we'll have them as a guest one day .
Speaker 2Maybe not if they weren't impressed .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's true , all right .
Speaker 2So , pablo , I also just want to give another belly who out , before I forget to Jake and Amanda for listening to the serial . Jake and Amanda , son of a bitch , listen to the serial we got . I got a lot of feedback on the serial episode . Not so much that was last week , you guys can still listen Not so much in the email , but I had received a lot of texts about it . Everybody has an opinion about serial . Yay , yeah , and I saw you bought the Oreo .
Speaker 1I did . Was it as good as I said ? It's pretty good , that's pretty good , pretty good . I have an issue with serial . Oh man Makes my belly full . Oh , like maybe some milk could be , but you can't have serial , though Milk Can't you . And it can't be wet , you can't go .
Speaker 2Oh , yes , sorry . Yes , it is gross . You know what would you call it ?
Speaker 1I don't know Moist , his moist .
Speaker 2No , it is not .
Speaker 1Everybody likes a little moist cereal .
Speaker 2Sorry , Cass .
Speaker 1Okay , moving
Life and Art of Picasso
Speaker 1on to .
Speaker 2Pablo . He was born in 1881 .
Speaker 1Yeah , he was In .
Speaker 2Spain , and he didn't die until 1973 . That's a long life .
Speaker 1Yeah , really long .
Speaker 2Yeah , I didn't do the math , but he was heavily influenced by who ?
Speaker 1His papa , his father , who was also an artist in his own right and a teacher , but boys and their dads , you know .
Speaker 2Yeah , what else do you know about his young years ?
Speaker 1That I can remember .
Speaker 2Were you there ? Well , from what I saw , he was artistic from the beginning . Oh , that's what he had . He had an inherent or inherent .
Speaker 1That too .
Speaker 2Whatever the word is for art . Like it was predisposed in him .
Speaker 1Yeah , I saw not in person , but I saw pictures of his photo or paintings when he was eight and nine years old . We're talking unbelievable . Like that's not normal . That's like Jimi Hendrix playing guitar or stuff , you know .
Speaker 2it's like yeah , but even Jimi Hendrix had to practice a lot . You know , I think Pablo just was hanging him out so from the very beginning , and His style , even his style , early style , wasn't it started traditional because that's all people knew , right ? Yeah , you know , they didn't know to make it surreal or any other cubism or anything . They just didn't know because they hadn't done it yet . Right .
Speaker 1And he was a bit of a thief , which most artists in Korea people are . You know , they steal other people's oh steal .
Speaker 2But is it stealing or is it interpreting your vision of it ?
Speaker 1Yeah , Because stealing it to use it for your own ?
Speaker 2Yeah , if you are painting it , right , if you are painting it to copy it and and signing Rembrandt's name on it , then that's stealing .
Speaker 1Right .
Speaker 2But if you are looking at a painting and going , huh , I think I can do that better .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2And then do it in your interpretation .
Speaker 1I don't think that's stealing , no it was stealing , but yeah , just kidding .
Speaker 2I thought I think that's being .
Speaker 1inspired he was heavily influenced as well in his early years and later by bullfighting , the whole romance of bullfighting in the battle between man and beast and man and himself , and that's reflected in a lot of his so not only in the visual , but in the what's the word .
Speaker 2I'm looking for symbolism .
Speaker 1Symbolism theme . Yeah , yeah , and there were . Some paintings were later a minotaur , I guess it's called right Half man , half beast . He had some very erotic .
Speaker 2He had a lot of erotic stuff and they said that I like to draw a penis . He's like the one in the chick's face .
Speaker 1Anyhow , it's a 17 year old girlfriend . I'm sure we'll get to that . But anyway , he I think scholars and people who apparently are smarter than us said that a lot of the depiction of the beast and that kind of thing was .
Speaker 2He was reflecting himself , how he felt about himself because he kind of did know that he was kind of Symbolism .
Speaker 1Yeah , kind of a bestial person inside .
Speaker 2So who is the bull the world ?
Speaker 1I don't know . I'd have to rewatch the documentary and not take an actor .
Speaker 2He was also influenced by Henri Matisse .
Speaker 1Who wasn't , though , I'm just kidding .
Speaker 2He who motivated him to become more radical , and the two are often deemed leaders of modern art and I think they were kind of competitors even after a while , you know they tried to one up each other .
Speaker 2So then you go yeah , he had a lot of . He was starting to morph into these different periods and different things . He wasn't just a painter of landscapes , say , or portraits . So then when he I like how the one thing I read categorized everything into the periods . So he had his blue period , so like early 1900s , and that example was the old guitarist . So you can still tell it's a person , it's a guy playing a guitar , even if he's kind of contorted a little bit or not , like a traditional person playing the guitar . Then in his rose period , which came next blue , then rose the family of a Santa Macchis , which is the Vagabond circus , people Like a jester . Anybody Google this people , but you would recognize it if you saw it , Even if you , I mean I didn't know the names of a lot of them .
Speaker 2It's like oh yeah , that jester painting , yeah , so then it was African influenced and did a lot of female figures and sculptures . That's where sculptures come in and you don't really think of him as a sculptor , but he did have a lot of sculptures . At least I didn't think of him as a sculptor . No . I didn't either , but he did a lot of sculpting . I think that was kind of a way to make money though , too .
Speaker 1I mean because he didn't make money for a long time . He didn't so like 1937 . Yeah .
Speaker 2You know , a lot of people have to die before they make any money .
Speaker 1Yeah , when he hit it , though , pow , he was incredibly lucky .
Speaker 2Yeah , he was famous . And then he was famous for the last half of his life really and , yeah , he kind of used that too , which is fine . I mean , you have to work . One thing that I read , and this is a good example of that a woman came up to him in a restaurant when he was older and said here , draw me a picture . And she gave it , you know , on the napkin , and drew it , and he gave it to her and he said that'll be $1,000 . And she's like what do you mean ? It took you two seconds to draw . And he said it took me 40 years to draw .
Speaker 1To get to that point .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , that lady wasn't very happy , no , I guess I see both sides , yeah , but more I understand . You know there'd be a dick about it , pablo , but I get it . You know I can't just crank these out . You know , everywhere I go , right , I really could .
Speaker 1Well , and how many people ask for that stuff ? He's probably after a while . It's like come on , leave me alone , yeah .
Speaker 2This was , like you know , people going up to Whitney Houston or somebody who can sing and going hey , pop me on a lyric there .
Speaker 1Yeah , I understand , but you do have to put that in context , because he did say , or supposedly said , that there are two types of women goddesses and doormats .
Speaker 2So she might have been a doormat . Well , she was .
Speaker 1If she was a goddess , she pretty good God definitely .
Speaker 2So what is the determination between the two factors ? I don't know .
Speaker 1I wasn't there , but that's pretty extreme , yeah , and who knows , he was a boozer . He could have been drinking when he said that .
Speaker 2You know I don't know , not that it makes it okay , I don't know , but I didn't hear that quote .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know , we've skipped over his name too .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , what's his name ?
Speaker 1It's really long .
Speaker 2Say your name . Say your name .
Speaker 1It's 23 words long .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's where we go .
Speaker 1That's what I got here . I don't know if that's true or not . I don't even know if I can . Where'd it go ? Oh , this full name is 23 words long .
Speaker 2Is .
Speaker 1I'll try . Okay , go . Pablo Diego , jose , francisco de Polo , one Niponuchio , maria de las remedios , quebranio de la Santina Maras , the Trinidad martyr , patrick , oh Clito .
Speaker 2That's not his name .
Speaker 1Wow is , I don't know , picasso . That's what it said . That's why that's straight from the internet . It's gotta be the truth home . Double , p , double .
Speaker 2Let's see . So yeah , there's . So another era or period of his was the cubism and that was that Harlequin the aging jester . This looks the very angled and you know , they're really , they're really different and very Forward-thinking for the time . I mean , now we would look at it and just say , yeah , and because you can make art of any kind that looks weird , and then it was or looks different .
Speaker 2I should say and then it was just here . You got a portrait or landscape . Cheek pick , yeah . And then the last one was the surrealism , and what I liked was when he combo them all together , and a very famous painting of his is the Gwit Gwernica yep like 37 .
Speaker 2Yeah , the German bombing of Gwernica during the Spanish Civil War is Black and white , but there is . There's so much going on and it's not black and white , it shades of black and white . And the best thing that I discovered about this was during World War two . Pablo remained in Paris and the Germans , of course , did not like his stuff , because they like more traditional .
Speaker 2Sure so they were either getting rid of it or , you know , burning it . But during a search of his apartment , an officer saw a photo Not the real one , but the photo of that Gwernica Gwernica and asked Pablo , did you do that ? And he said no , you did hmm , what a scarty guy man .
Speaker 1You gotta love it .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's pretty sassy to talk to a German soldier .
Speaker 1Yeah , must have been . I doubt it if it was during the war , he created 20,000 works . Amazing different paintings . Yes , no , is that ?
Speaker 2counting his poetry . I don't know about that , because during the war , the war , our supplies were short . Mm-hmm so we had to have some creative outlet start roll up homes . Well , I know , if there are one poems , he wrote over 300 poems . No shit , because he couldn't get resources , art resources , huh , I thought that was . I like that yeah do what you can , what you got the resources for , hmm , so what else ?
Speaker 1see , I did buying different , excuse me , I go through and I try to find the dirt . There's a lot of dirt on .
Speaker 2There's a lot of dirt on him because the woman eyes yeah . So what do you have other than woman eyes ?
Speaker 1I don't know , I just like talking about that part Cuz he's terrible .
Speaker 2He is terrible .
Speaker 1No .
Speaker 2I always terrible . He went out . What I wrote was I read and read and read and saw stuff and heard it over the years and I just was so disgusted with it all . I'm like yeah , he went through a lot of women and he wasn't good to him .
Speaker 1No , that's basically what it was Like the overlapping affairs . You know he'd be married to one in the start . He'd find the next one . The creepiest one was only he was like 30 . I don't know , 35 to 40 and he Hooked up with the seventh year old girl walking down the sidewalk and said hey , I can help you with your art , you know , career , whatever I don't know what it was and and ended up walking up one there . But she stayed with them . They got married , you know . They had kids .
Speaker 2How many kids does he have ? We know .
Speaker 1I had it here somewhere , but we keep going on that .
Speaker 2I'm sorry .
Speaker 1I was thinking then before the blonde girl he had Another one . I think it was his first wife maybe , and she was like she was a model and she was really well known and she was . She had a job , obviously , of posing for different artists and featured in so this is like a late 1800s French .
Speaker 1Yes , and he met her and basically told her you need to quit . You are my muse , you don't need to be viewed by other people drawn by their people . And so he would . So the story goes she agreed to it and he would lock her in the apartment while he was gone all day , and apparently that was commonplace back then . Fucking mind-blowing and stupid , but whatever does , it's just weird . And so she eventually got bored with everything and the relationship fell apart . Like many of them , I guess many of the women ended up having mental issues , but I think this is Somebody's lax you in an apartment ?
Speaker 2Yeah , you might catch .
Speaker 1Apparently , some of his relationships he was in the women committed suicide . So Anyway , he was a member of the Communist Party .
Speaker 2Yeah , French Communist Party lifelong member .
Speaker 1Yeah , he had a card .
Speaker 2Yeah , she alleged yeah he did have four children . He did two wives , many mistresses , four children .
Speaker 1Mm-hmm . Um , other than that , I mean he was self-centered , but a lot of artists , musicians , are , and his grandson , pavlito , died by suicide after Picasso told them . Let's see here after being forbidden by Picasso to attend at funeral .
Speaker 2So he killed himself . I don't know , so you get to go to a funeral maybe Picasso killed him .
Speaker 1I'm just kidding , no , no and here's some strange facts Um hey . He was once a suspect in the theft of the Mona Lisa . Oh Isn't that juicy . So did he . He was innocent . Oh , not even sure how it came about .
Speaker 2That's a movie right there though .
Speaker 1It is . I think we can make a movie out of that . And he's not dead yet . We're not that far , but when he was he deceased , kicked the bucket .
Discussing Pablo Picasso and Famous Paintings
Speaker 1He was buried under the floor of a castle in .
Speaker 2France Wow .
Speaker 1How do you get that ? That's cool .
Speaker 2Well , you can get that , Like a lot of churches in Europe have there's a name for it too but you can get buried in their walls or in their floors , Like if you go into Westminster , there's people buried all over on the floors . So if you have enough money , you can do that , or if you're you know I think it was commonplace long ago . That's so much anymore . We don't bury people on the church floors .
Speaker 1We just bury people where we want to .
Speaker 2I know there's laws and codes , but I mean like you can if you cremate them . Well , I'm just saying , because somebody would have like toxic lead poisoning or anthrax in their bones or something crazy like that and they'd bury it like next to my drinking supply . Sure , that's why you can't do it .
Speaker 1I guess you know all those people that are buried in the regular places . Some of that's leaking , yeah , and it's more concentrated .
Speaker 2Think of the floods in California right now . You think that's not flooding out any cemeteries or not washing down the hills .
Speaker 1Oh , back to Georgia that we were talking about , I think , beforehand Now that that's a good spot to go right for ghostly things .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Because I'm trying at the spring break thing . Oh yeah , I'm like maybe we should go to Savannah .
Speaker 2Savannah is a great place for ghostly . You can go to Bonaventure Cemetery , a beautiful cemetery right down a river , and I think they had some caskets slide into the river at one point . Sweet yeah , it is a great place , so highly recommend that place . Actually , wherever you should go , you should check out and see if there's cemeteries I mean there's they used to be , they love cemeteries .
Speaker 2Well , they used to be parks where people would go to on a Sunday afternoon because they didn't have TV and they would go and have a picnic with the relatives . You know , there were like areas with the dead people . With the well , you could sit by your relatives , or there were picnic areas and gazebo . So there was actually a gazebo in the Alpina Cemetery at one point .
Speaker 1That's a good idea , it is .
Speaker 2I mean it's quiet , there's lots of space .
Speaker 1Oh , I love going to Cemetery , yeah , so you should always try to visit a cemetery , sorry . Anyway , all right , pablo , where is he ?
Speaker 2buried . Oh , you said France , it's in France .
Speaker 1Under the chateau of I don't know of avaganaras . All right , I think that's a casino , isn't it ? What is now ?
Speaker 2Are you any other fun facts ?
Speaker 1I don't know . No , I guess not .
Speaker 2So what's your synopsis I ?
Speaker 1don't know , it's fascinating .
Speaker 2Fascinating .
Speaker 1Yes , I think he was like . I mean , I think it was like no , Not , not normal , I just got a , I don't know mental issues and I think the reason he was such a good artist is because he needed art , even as a kid , to make sense of the world , and I get that from being a writer . Like you , need something to try to stay sane .
Speaker 2You need an outlet , yeah and so , and do you think it's kind of daddy too , like daddy did ?
Speaker 1because he was trying to please his dad . Yeah , yeah , and he did a lot of drawings and paintings of his dad too . But yeah , I think some of that spilled over into his life and , instead of maybe interacting- Instead of going to therapy he just went on to the next woman . Yeah , exactly , and he had his art and he didn't deal with things in the world like maybe he should have been , so he just went on . Well , he probably didn't have to either .
Speaker 2After he became famous or a known artist . It's like I don't , I don't need to do that . Oh yeah , I'll dry you something . Lady , give me a thousand bucks .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , I agree . I think he was sure he had a lot of dickish moves Got it . Your treatment of women is really , really hard for me to get over that one .
Speaker 1Yeah , I'll call you a hero , that's a bad one , so I could just see you and Pablo having a conversation .
Speaker 2I don't know .
Speaker 1I probably shouldn't talk .
Speaker 2I would probably be a doormat to him , not , I mean , in his eyes . I think you would be threatening to him .
Speaker 1Right , he would be independent and strong and probably would kick him in the balls , punch him .
Speaker 2But I don't know , maybe he would treat me like a goddess , maybe I wouldn't kick him out of bed for that .
Speaker 1Right away , there we go , family show .
Speaker 2All right . So , pablo Picasso , tell us what you think .
Speaker 1I think that he is .
Speaker 2I want to say he's a dick overall .
Speaker 1I would say he's a talented dick . He is .
Speaker 2And that painting , what's the painting called ? Where it's the woman's face and the dick is laying on her face .
Speaker 1That's of the 17-year-old girl . Yeah , the blonde .
Speaker 2Because there is just you know . If you have enough balls to do that , put it out in the world . Good for you .
Speaker 1What's even better is he had a show and his wife was there and she started looking around at all the paintings of the blonde and that's where she found out he was cheating .
Speaker 2Oh , oh , my gosh , I think he's a hero .
Speaker 1I'm going to say he's a hero because of what he did for art . Oh my God .
Speaker 2Professionally definitely .
Speaker 1In the adaptability . I mean , even if you don't like it , I mean I get it .
Speaker 2It's not for everybody .
Speaker 1I look at some of it and I go eh , Not for me .
Speaker 2I'm sorry that's not for me . However , good for you for doing something different , for painting out of the box For that I say hero but for personal life , dick all the way .
Speaker 1Yeah , and there's more and more . We find that out Like people can be really really good at something , but not at all .
Speaker 2Thanks , that's how it happens .
Speaker 1Like Mel Gibson .
Speaker 2Oh good , let's just add one . No let's not go , let's not do that . I'm so sorry , come on . But , here let's do our Fast Five . So the Fast Five we're going to share our top five most famous paintings in the world . Oh , okay , I probably , don't know them ? Yeah , you do , but we're Nica . I'm saying it incorrectly . I will pick Astos Hero . Yeah , I think that one's a hero too , just because of what that German , that encounter too , between the German officer .
Speaker 2Okay , how about number four ? The Scream by Edward Munch . I say hero because it's just been not replicated but interpreted so many times . Right , yeah , and who would have thought ? It's like when you get dumb enough , you probably want well , this is crap , nobody's going to like this . And then everybody went . I can totally relate to that . Okay , how about three ? The starry night , vincent Van Gogh . I didn't know it was called the starry night .
Speaker 1Maybe it's not .
Speaker 2No , it is . I'm telling you , it is All right .
Speaker 1I say hero .
Speaker 2I say hero too , and I like the song how about it .
Speaker 1Wait what ? Oh , starry starry night .
Speaker 2Yes , Don McClain . So how about number two , the last supper ?
Speaker 1He was the American Pie guy .
Speaker 2Yeah , he was , but that is . I like that song , but my favorite song is starry , starry night you know I couldn't sing that song when I was a kid .
Speaker 1Why ? Even when you lived by us , I remember my parents playing the song bye bye , Miss America . I was dying , I couldn't .
Speaker 2I thought if I sang it , I would die .
Speaker 1So I would never I mean oh no , isn't that weird .
Speaker 2No , that's a kid thought .
Speaker 1Yeah , is it bad if I still feel ?
Speaker 2that way you still , to this day , he has not sang the last . No way that verse .
Speaker 1Sorry , the last painting was .
Speaker 2All right , Wait . Number two is the last supper .
Speaker 1Number two Da Vinci .
Speaker 2No , that's number . I'm going backwards . Five , four , three , two Fucking killing me . Number two painting in the world is the last supper , dick I don't know .
Speaker 1That's bad .
Speaker 2I'm going to hell for saying it , I just I am not a fan of it , but I will say it's heroic , Historical . No if there was no religion early at all in the world , there would not be as much art for good or bad . And I just know from looking at all the paintings , the old shit in Europe and there is , it's all religion , because that's who could commission it , because that's who had the money .
Speaker 1They're pushing their .
Speaker 2And that's , and then it got saved too . So , even though I'm not a fan , a huge fan of religious paintings , I think that overall , that's why we have them , because they were protected , but that one's not my favorite , well you know what , now I got to take it something back , because now if I think of it out of the context of religion , but it's hard to because that's why it was .
Speaker 1You know what I mean . But if I saw that and no religion was associated with it in my mind , so like if it was , I would like it .
Speaker 2So if it was , like you know , joe Schmo having dinner with his buds .
Speaker 1Yeah , kind of like that , the paintings that you see of the dogs the dogs playing poker , poker . That's what it is . Yeah , if it was dogs . I'll take it back . I'll say hero , hero , sorry . All right , and the number one is afraid for a hate meal Huh .
Speaker 2You know what the number one painting in ?
Speaker 1the world is the one that he stole .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Actually it's his buddy , I think the castle's friend . Oh , you're a pollinear .
Speaker 2That's what he didn't steal .
Speaker 1He stole some other stuff around that time . That's what I thought . Picasso was involved . You know , thief .
Speaker 2I see somebody recently threw some soup on it . Well , there's an Annalisa , there's a guard over it .
Speaker 1No , I don't know , annalisa .
Speaker 2You know , she's a fine girl .
Speaker 1She'd be a goddess right , Not a doormat .
Speaker 2Well , I would think so , but we don't know . We don't know anything about her , and I guess that's why I'm not not about it , because it's a smirk she has . That smirk is .
Speaker 1She knows something , she's hiding something .
Speaker 2But maybe that makes her a hero . She knows something .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I would like to know more about her and there's many theories behind it , but I don't think we know .
Speaker 1No , no Hero .
Speaker 2Okay , all right . That brings us to a conclusion Does it ? It does .
Speaker 1Yeah , what'd you say ? He was a dick .
Speaker 2I did .
Speaker 1And I said a hero .
Speaker 2Yep , I said overall it is professional . Pablo's professionalism works Our heroes because they change things . Do you think we need another one ? Another Pablo Another .
Speaker 1We do need another Pablo .
Speaker 2Oh , like Hero , Dick or Meh , something in the middle Meh , meh , no Meh , because I , no , we don't .
Speaker 1We do need a Picasso . Maybe we have one , though .
Speaker 2Maybe we do , maybe we do , we don't know .
Speaker 1Like , if you talk , Like Brooke , you know her . We were talking about music the other day , because who doesn't love music ?
Speaker 2I don't know , I'm always surprised when someone says well , I don't really listen to music , what yeah ? You hear it , don't you ? Don't you hear that in your head it's everywhere .
Speaker 1No , but like the Picasso's and whatever , we must have them . Now we're not aware . Maybe we'll know one day . But like you , know what I want to know ? Who's rich against the machine , who's Metapha , who's the Dora ?
Speaker 2Who's the next one ? Who's the next one ? Where are they ? Oh , you got it .
Speaker 1Because all I hear is a bunch of synthesized Okay , old
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Speaker 1man .
Speaker 2I don't hear .
Speaker 1No , I mean , I listen to a lot of music , even with my kids , and my kids will defer to more of the classic .
Speaker 2Classics , and I think , as with art , as with music , I think the era it's always the era before that defines where we are now . We don't have any Beatles , there's no Beatles out there right now there's that are . Even if you don't like the Beatles , you are influenced , or like somebody who was influenced by the Beatles , because they were such giants and that whole era was different .
Speaker 2But then you know , if you throw back to the like the 80s , you go oh , there's no good music . It's like , oh , listen to some of the music , it's fun , it's . You know , maybe it's not the Beatles , but it's still , you know it's . It's another question . Okay , one more question .
Speaker 1Now we got all day so like , as far as if you look back at the Picasso's , the Jim Morrison's , elvis Presley's , whatever name , like a famous icon , there's always some of that dickishness , you know . And now we're getting so homo , homo , homo , homogenized , so that we all have to be respectful , polite , we gotta say everything's okay , everything's okay , everything is okay .
Speaker 2Then you don't have those standout people who are like busting a fucking beer bottle on them and doing , you know whatever you know they're not smashing guitars , and I mean maybe there's some . Maybe we need somewhere . People are dicks .
Speaker 1I don't know , I think who do dick behavior .
Speaker 2Well , there's plenty of dick behavior going on , but not , but not in a creative for the people way .
Speaker 1Yeah right .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1So anyway , that's that .
Speaker 2All right , well , thanks for joining us . For Pablo Picasso edition of Hero or Dick , you can email us at your dick to zero , two , three at gmailcom , please , please , please , email me and Conan , we know you're listening .
Speaker 1You left a voice message for us and we did call you back . I did email them .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's kind of really cryptic how you email and you have to like , send it through your website .
Speaker 1I haven't heard anything . Fact that he wants payment . I don't get it .
Speaker 2I'm starting to get a little honey . All right , all right .
Speaker 1Thanks everybody .
Speaker 2Bye .
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