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Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick, Season 2, Ep 5 - The Enigma that is Courtney Love
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Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick!
Strap in as we dive into the complex tapestry that is Courtney Love's life and legacy. Infamous for her marriage to Kurt Cobain, Courtney's story goes beyond the tabloid headlines, weaving through a challenging childhood that includes an LSD dosing claim, to the heartache and financial turbulence following her husband’s death. With humor and sincerity, we peel back the layers of Courtney's public persona, reflecting on the resilience she's shown throughout her journey in the ruthless worlds of music and fashion.
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Courtney Love
Speaker 1Hi everyone .
Speaker 2Welcome to Hero or Twat .
Speaker 1Yeah , we had to alter it a little bit this week .
Speaker 2We were just shooting the ship before we start .
Speaker 1So this is piece and two , Damn it .
Speaker 2I swallowed my gum again .
Speaker 1Oh , don't do that . You swallowed your gum . No , damn it . No , don't ever do that .
Speaker 2I always do it's like an involuntary .
Speaker 1You're probably gonna die , I probably will , we're all gonna die .
Speaker 2I'll be the one dying of a big ball of gum in my tummy .
Speaker 1That's what I will say in your old bit . He died because he kept swallowing his damn gum .
Speaker 2Yeah , and what else is in there ? We don't know you ever swallowed things when you were a kid .
Speaker 1No , I never really . Well , I will admit to eating paste , but it was a different kind of paste then you know like it was in a tub .
Speaker 2Sure , back then it was nutritional .
Speaker 1And it kind of looked like something you could eat . And I have tried Play-Doh . I didn't care for it . I know some kids ate it regularly . Really , I tried it why ? Did peer pressure of seventh grade .
Speaker 2Getting on that Play-Doh . That was before meth , now you just do meth Now you do meth , which apparently I had too much caffeine . My wife Brooke you know , she warned me before I got here she said I would kick back a notch .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , I should have said that on here , but she said to not interrupt too much . Well , she didn't have to say these things . She just looked at me and I knew not to interrupt too much . Don't talk too fast , don't clear my throat too much , don't open a pop while we're doing the podcast , don't move shit around on the desk and don't swear so much .
Speaker 1Oh , but I like to swear Sometimes , I like to save it up , though you can't just fuckity , fuck , fuck , it takes away .
Speaker 2I didn't turn that off . But if you save it , save it when you really need it , then it makes some difference , like when you're yelling at your kids .
Speaker 1Right , or like if I hear well , I don't yell at my kids anymore .
Speaker 2Do they yell at you ?
Speaker 1Not so far .
Speaker 2They might when it out really , you did a good job .
Speaker 1We'll see . We'll see what happens .
Speaker 2Wait till they're changing your diaper .
Speaker 1So it's season two , episode five , and our topic today is actually an interesting one .
Speaker 2You're kind of like no , it is , it is .
Speaker 1It's Courtney .
Speaker 2Yes , welcome Courtney . Hi everyone , I just got done smoking some Lucky Strikes .
Speaker 1I did some heroin . She's not in World War II , sorry .
Speaker 2I shouldn't say it . She punched me right in the face .
Speaker 1She would . She has been known to throw things at people .
Speaker 2Yep , you know why .
Speaker 1Like to kill the battles .
Speaker 2She's a powerful woman , she really is ?
Speaker 1She has a powerful woman .
Speaker 2She's got some issues .
Speaker 1She does , yeah , she does .
Speaker 2But I'll let you go . You always have better notes .
Speaker 1I have mine on my phone today , so hopefully we're still recording while I'm doing this . Well , courtney is . She was born in 1964 . So she's , you know , almost 60 . Yeah , and she's had a long interesting healthy lifestyle . Not healthy at all . I don't know if she's healthy now .
Speaker 2No , it didn't seem so .
Speaker 1It didn't seem like it , no , but you know she is in her own right a singer , guitarist , songwriter , actress . She was married to that guy . Who , that Kurt Cobain guy ?
Speaker 2She ever heard of him ? No , never heard of him . His oh anniversary of his death's come up .
Speaker 1It was April , something like that April 4th or something . Yeah , people were devastated 94 , I think .
Speaker 2Yeah , never forget seeing that on TV . And there was this lady girl , whatever , being interviewed , and she's bawling her eyes out and she said he promised us he didn't have a gun .
Speaker 1And he got that song and don't have a gun . Well , it was a song At the time . He probably didn't .
Speaker 2But he did , he did .
Speaker 1He did ? Yeah , he did , and they were only married for two years . They were probably together about three or four , but yeah , they were only had been married for two years when he died .
Speaker 2Mm , hmm .
Speaker 1And a daughter .
Speaker 2Francis Bean .
Speaker 1Yes , and you know , francis is married to .
Speaker 2I did a couple weeks ago , but I forget .
Speaker 1She's married to Tony Hawk's son .
Speaker 2Riley Riley . We've had him on the show I like .
Speaker 1Tony Hawk Riley with Francis Bean . I like that . Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2Tony Hawk .
Speaker 1Tony Hawk's son .
Speaker 2I know , but you like Tony Hawk yeah . I like him . We should do a show on Tony .
Speaker 1Hawk Okay .
Speaker 2Okay , all right .
Speaker 1Put them in the notes . So , courtney , you know she didn't have an easy childhood either . Her mother was a hippie , so she lived in communes in Oregon , san Francisco . Her dad was the road manager at one time . For the Grateful Dad .
Speaker 2Right , oh explain some things .
Speaker 1And when her parents divorced , her mom accused her dad of dosing .
Speaker 2Four years old LSD .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , I had that . She was a toddler , I guess three or four .
Speaker 2Whenever you have .
Speaker 1Yeah , and the mom said the dead doster with LSD . So right there , that's not setting you on a path for success .
Speaker 2Probably not . No , not , unless you're gonna sit around eating Play-Doh all day , getting getting . No that's terrible . But you know , I thought too that they were wealthy because she had lived off a trust fund and she was jet-match out of the fucking world .
Speaker 1And I can't remember what her grandparents did , but they had some money and they gave her . It wasn't a huge trust fund , but it was enough for a young person to live off of . And she , she did become legally emancipated from her parents when she was about 16 or 17 .
Speaker 2Your kid's ever threatened that ?
Speaker 1Probably , but not to my face .
Speaker 2Ours did A couple years ago . Yeah , I'm gonna get emancipated , you just laugh .
Speaker 1Really Good luck . And you know , you never know as a kid I'm , I'm moving out . It's like shit . I don't have a cable , I don't have electricity , Right .
Speaker 2Well , the pantry . Who's gonna fill my pantry ? How am I gonna eat ?
Speaker 1Yeah , you never know how you get , how good you got it till you move out of your parents' house .
Speaker 2But Courtney Love moved out with that trust fund money she did .
Speaker 1She traveled all over . She lived in Japan , I think she lived in the in , I think , ireland or maybe in the UK , because I know in the UK she was in a movie , one of my favorite movies of all time Sid and Nancy . Oh what , you know it , cassidy , she wasn't that . She wasn't that she wanted to be .
Speaker 2She wanted to be the main .
Speaker 1She wanted to be Nancy , but nobody else could have wind like that . I wish I knew the actress's name , Sid .
Speaker 2Was it French Russia ?
Speaker 1was it . No but she had a good wine going on . But Courtney was one of the party people with them . You know one of them hangarans to the sex pistols .
Speaker 2I think people kind of avoided her a bit in the Hollywood world because she was kind of a handful .
Speaker 1She wasn't one of them , for sure , and she didn't play by the rules . Yeah , for good or bad , I mean you know , dang it .
Speaker 2Now that you're talking about her , I'm already starting to like her , damn it .
Speaker 1Well , let's keep talking about her and see what we say at the end . So she did get her supporting role in Sid and Nancy , the movie from 1986 . And if you haven't seen it , watch it , watch it , watch it . It is such a good movie .
Speaker 2That's in black and white . That's the old , because it's old .
Speaker 1No , but it's probably only on Beta .
Speaker 2Beta max 10 years later , though . What was she in that was she was in people versus . Larry Flint , she was good .
Speaker 1And you know what ? She was excellent in that movie . And if you haven't seen that movie , I think it came out in 96 . That is an excellent movie . Woody Harrelson plays Larry Flint . I never thought I would like that movie , but I loved it .
Speaker 2She was nominated for Golden Globe . She was she was .
Speaker 1She didn't win , but she was nominated .
Speaker 2I was never nominated , were you .
Speaker 1No , I was not , not her Golden Globe .
Speaker 2You were in that movie .
Speaker 1In what movie that one here in town , larry Flint ?
Speaker 2No , not that one . It was a long time ago , that one here in town last summer .
Speaker 1Yeah , maybe I'll be nominated for that . Yeah , it's not out yet so .
Speaker 2You still got a chance . You'll probably see Courtney in the green room back there you guys can cast out .
Speaker 1Yeah , she was also in man on the Moon , which was another great movie . God , that was good I didn't want to like that one either , because I am not a Andy Kaufman fan .
Speaker 2No party wondered if he got called a comedic genius , and he was actually just fucking crazy asshole .
Speaker 1Yes , yeah , but Jim Carrey did a great job .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , great job . Jim Carrey is awesome . Damn it Next . Okay , we could do a show on him too . Maybe we did .
Speaker 1No , no , I don't think so no . So all the time she's releasing music with her band .
Speaker 2That's a great name .
Speaker 1It is a good band name , isn't it ?
Speaker 2They're pretty good too .
Speaker 1Yeah , they are . I like some of their songs .
Speaker 2Malibu .
Speaker 1Malibu . Okay , I was thinking celebrity skin .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Yeah and yeah .
Speaker 2So let's see what else about Courtney Well you know , sort of that Kurt Cobain stuff was that she was on Sons of Anarchy 2 .
Speaker 1I'm sorry to interrupt .
Speaker 2Oh , she was . I never watched it . You told me to watch that I did A dangerous show .
Speaker 1It's all it's . It's involved .
Speaker 2There's like eight seasons or so , but her album was released like a week . I think it was Her second album , live Through . This was released a week after the death of Kurt Cobain .
Speaker 1Oh , that seems kind of coincidental maybe . Maybe I was thinking opportunist .
Speaker 2That too , does she strike you as an opportunistic type of person ?
Speaker 1Yes , yes , she's looking out for her so it's how to play , and she knows how to play it .
Speaker 2And if it was a guy we were talking about , nobody would give a shit right and would be expected you call him an asshole and move .
Speaker 1Oh , is she a bitch or a good business woman ?
Speaker 2I think she's doing some good things , not drugs , I don't know about now , but she was pregnant when she got married to Kurt .
Speaker 1I thought it was interesting there were only eight guests at their wedding , including the legend your eight , dave Crowell .
Speaker 2Hmm , whom things got a little dicey with later on .
Speaker 1But maybe that's in your notes . I'll let you know that's not in my notes . I was hoping on you serious falling out .
Speaker 2I like them stuff .
Speaker 1Before we
Courtney Love and Kurt Cobain
Speaker 1get to that . I liked what she said about About her relationship with Kurt was that she said we bonded over pharmaceuticals .
Speaker 2I guess everyone has a box thought , for sure you're gonna say farming .
Speaker 1She said that he was a man's man .
Speaker 2Would you have guessed that ? She was a he was a man's man . I watched the interview that she did and she's a lot . Something that people don't know about him is that he was like about Fixing cars and working on cars and hunt it like he liked four wheeling and he was like a real outdoorsy type dude Really .
Speaker 1Yeah , no , I did not know that about him .
Speaker 2No .
Speaker 1I I . My personal favorite picture of him is in women's dress .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's a good one yeah .
Speaker 1So I don't know , maybe pop down the dress and work on cars , and so you know oh sorry .
Speaker 2I was thinking about her and how that would be a lot for her to put up with too . You could say that she latched on to him , whatever , but it was that'd be a hard life .
Speaker 1It would be with the husband that famous Right be him being famous and him having mental issues . Yeah , yeah , kind of like my wife has to deal with you , and so when he passed , his estate went to Courtney and Francis Bean . Courtney got all the Writing and publishing right . Yeah which is worth millions , millions like Millions . Well , what's a half a million ? Let's say so .
Speaker 2She's not you mean half a billion , oh . Yeah yeah , I guess so .
Speaker 1Yeah , not half a million . She's not hurting for money , but what she done lately .
Speaker 2I don't know .
Speaker 1I Couldn't , I couldn't find anything that she's not no so was she laying lower .
Speaker 2Maybe she finally sobered up for good .
Speaker 1Maybe she sobered up and she's got enough money to live on . Just got a house in Malibu or somewhere I don't know .
Speaker 2Oh , oh Sorry , I thought we timed out what we know .
Speaker 1Okay , courtney , courtney , courtney . So what else do we want to say about her ?
Speaker 2Well , I did have some other things here which I'm not remembering what . I can bring them up . I Think . Copyright infringement she had .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , talk about .
Speaker 2Yeah , well , just in general , they really had . They were fighting tooth and nail over that catalog and who had the rights to the music , and I think there was a really big fight over that song . You know , you're right , which she released . That wasn't supposed to be released , I think it was . That's a really good song . I remember hearing that on the radio . I'm like man , that thing's good . But since then They've made amends because there was a settlement involved and so everybody's friends now .
Speaker 1Well , and I read something Somewhere I can't give you the source that you know they fought over it somewhat , but somebody else owned a Part of it , yeah .
Speaker 2Chris Novoslak .
Speaker 1Well , yes , but then like yes , the third member of . Nirvana . But then wasn't there like a publishing company involved , or maybe ? They're a company who , of course , once they're part of it too .
Speaker 2Yeah , forget the name of it , because that's Dave growing . The food fighters were with that for a while and they actually decided to they self publish all their music . Now , did you know that ? Food fighters ?
Speaker 1I believe it . Because he doesn't want to be , because he doesn't want to Anybody else to own him right . So , if you go to a Dave girl food fighter concert , is he playing a Nirvana song ? I ?
Speaker 2don't know , I've never been to one .
Speaker 1I , neither have I , but I would love to send us tickets , dave .
Speaker 2Yeah , Dave .
Speaker 1I would buy a ticket if he came to Michigan to see him in a hot wings .
Speaker 2I told you about that .
Speaker 1I did not . You're gonna shot for like a wing , but anyway .
Speaker 2So we're talking about more people but they're all bored .
Speaker 1Well , courtney , yes , he is .
Speaker 2Um , did you have any more about that ? Because you know she was a fashionista too , she was yeah , she is the one that supposedly coined Kinder whore , the Kinder whore aesthetic . They have basically dressing in baby doll dresses yeah punk elements . So she really was adamant about she was the one .
Speaker 1I believe that if she wasn't the one , she was one of the first .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , she said she was the one .
Speaker 1Well , okay , courtney , prove it .
Speaker 2I wouldn't talk like this if she was here , though . No , no , fucking would scare the shit out of me .
Speaker 1She would punch us in the face . Yeah no , she's throat kill , by the way .
Speaker 2Do you think , whoever Did you watch any of those interviews that she had with different talk show hosts and things ? I watched a couple like there were a few and she's looking at the talk show host . Like I might tear your throat out If you keep asking me these type of questions so which is ? I don't know it's , she's got mental problems , but she's , yeah , I think you mean for her to be like that . Yeah , yeah why not ?
Speaker 1and what would she be ? This is a good . What if ? What would she be if she didn't hook up with Kurt Cobain ? Would we even know her name ? Or would she be bigger ? Yeah , would she have more credibility Because they wouldn't be saying , oh , she's just court name because of Kurt .
Speaker 2That's a good point .
Speaker 1We don't know she was having success , though , before she was successful when she met him , but the band was successful and they were probably more successful than Nirvana when they first hooked up .
Speaker 2Mm-hmm maybe , maybe not , but they were on the same plane for sure and you would think that if she Went out , if she never met Kurt Cobain , it may have been better for her . You know what I mean . Maybe she wouldn't have been such a fucking head case and the drugs and everything else .
Speaker 1Well , she probably would have said I think she did drugs before she met him Well , at four years old she did well , he shouldn't know . Well , maybe she do LSD Okay .
Speaker 2What if that LSD is what helped her be so successful in life ?
Speaker 1What if it's what fucked her up ?
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Which I would think one dose could . I don't know .
Speaker 2I don't know either but you're for . That's horrible yeah .
Speaker 1I hope that's just a bad rumor .
Speaker 2You know her net worth is a hundred million . So Well , that's net worth that isn't count . Yeah , so that's pretty she's still a Cruing money you know , off of the publishing and writing rights .
Speaker 1Yeah , and I don't know . I hope she has a relationship with her daughter now .
Speaker 2I don't know that it was a strange , but her daughter was emancipated as well . But it sounds like again , that was an interview I watched . It was from a while ago that they patched things up . You know she hooked it up . Supposedly she was saying the Edward Norton thing , right ? Yeah and he kind of was like downplaying it , saying no , no , no . But they dated . They were in a movie together , right ? What movie was that ?
Speaker 1was it .
Speaker 2Shit , I don't know , but trapped . Yeah , yeah was it . She also had been linked to Steve Kogan and Billy Corgan . Oh my god , I like Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins . Then you wonder hmm , what's she trying to ?
Speaker 1Or maybe that's just you know musicians , you meet people on In your job and maybe that was just people she was meeting or knew or went to a party and they were all there . We don't , I guess we don't have that information .
Speaker 2No but .
Speaker 1She never remarried .
Speaker 2No , she didn't did she no , and and . She's actually living in the UK now . Yeah yeah , but she's not working on an album for a long time , which is fine .
Speaker 1Sometimes it takes a while .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Well , I watched a Interview with Paul Simon of Simon and Garfunkel fame .
Speaker 2You know him never heard of him . Now , my family loves him .
Speaker 1He was on Stephen Colbert last night and he said sometimes it takes him up to a year to write a song .
Speaker 2Oh , well , how old is he now ?
Speaker 1Well , he doesn't have years to spend . But I mean he ? Because Stephen Colbert said I like the song slip , slide in a way , and he said I can tell you this about that song . Paul Simon said it took me about a half hour to write . It was the quickest song I ever wrote it's great and it's great and that's what Steven said , you know . So do you have doubts if it comes out that quick ?
Speaker 2He said no , you know , you know , you know if it's coming that quick .
Speaker 1You know it's good .
Speaker 2Speaking of Paul Simon , all right , he was on smart let's a while back . Have you heard that part Subsection here ? And he it was interesting to listen to him talk and he was talking about how he's getting up there in age and now he's trying to spend money or give it away and then he's trying to , you know , make sure his kids are gonna be set up , which they will be , obviously it was pretty fascinating listening to him and then the other guy you just mentioned .
Speaker 2Stephen Colbert . I think he was just on there too , oh . I'm smart , let's get , they get everybody .
Speaker 1I know we got nobody we got , nothing we got .
Women in Business and Hollywood Heroines
Speaker 2Yeah , she's our best guest . What would we call that belly who ?
Speaker 1belly who what ?
Speaker 2else we got about this . She was a pioneer , I would say , for female .
Speaker 1Think so yeah she was punk rock at the beginning of punk rock .
Speaker 2Mm-hmm .
Speaker 1She was . I Think that is she a twat probably ? Yeah , you know , but is she a dick ? Or is she kind of ? Is she a money grabbing media whore ?
Speaker 2Yeah , but .
Speaker 1She's playing the business man . So is she a bitch or a good business woman ? Yeah she's promoting herself . She is doing what she needs to do . Yes , she did some drugs in between . That too .
Speaker 2Mm-hmm .
Speaker 1So she hadn't done the drugs ? Would she be more respectable or more professional , probably , but you know that was her , that was her upbringing .
Speaker 2Yeah , no , and I think I don't know . I just think she was a strong woman with problems and she gets probably unfairly cast Because of the relationship with Kurt Cobain , and I mean she's done some shitty things . I mean tantrums , smack and fans ?
Speaker 1Yes , and I would . I'm gonna guess she was either drunk or on drugs every time she did that right .
Speaker 2But you get somebody like Johnny Depp does that stuff and he's still a sweet . It's okay if he treats people like shit , but no offense .
Speaker 1Johnny , I love him . Yeah , but you know , yeah , so I agree , I think she had some Dickish moves or Twattish moves , but overall I you know , I think she's all right . She's done what she had to do .
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm actually gonna throw a little hero slap on her .
Speaker 1Not a slap , I would not . That's not what I meant , jesus Christ I mean a hero .
Speaker 2I'm gonna slap the tag hero on her just because of you know , like I said , the more I thought about it , if she was a dude we'd probably be saying she's a hero , no doubt , yeah yeah , she'd be Johnny Dout . Oh , speaking of no doubt , her and Gwen Stefani had a little tiff back in the day .
Speaker 1Did you know that back in the 90s ?
Speaker 2in that song . Okay , I forget , but anyway , courtney Love made a crack about Gwen Stefani being a cheerleader you know like , because she's you know she's more refined and pop and whatever and she's a little cheerleader . That's why Gwen Stefani made that video on the cheerleader outfit . Oh , is that ?
Speaker 1Yeah , she was kind of smacking back that shit is bananas . Oh .
Speaker 2I love it .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , well , and so Courtney should say you're welcome .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't know , I'd have a cup of coffee with her .
Speaker 1I'm not drinking tequila with her .
Speaker 2No , I would have you eat Play-Doh with her .
Speaker 1Sure , I'll eat Play-Doh with her .
Speaker 2I don't like Play-Doh . Swallow my gum with her .
Speaker 1I got some news about our podcast . What's that ?
Speaker 2I just want to show are we done with Courtney ? We're done with Courtney . I forgot my fast five again .
Speaker 1I have fast five for us and before we get into anything else , that really what you just said really relates to the no , being a strong woman .
Speaker 2You're a strong woman .
Speaker 1I try to be .
Speaker 2You're good , so am I a bitch or a strong woman . You're a strong woman . Depends who you ask .
Speaker 1So my fast five has a list of bitch or business women or good business women .
Speaker 2Oh god , I gotta be careful .
Speaker 1Okay , so the first one is Madonna .
Speaker 2What do you want me to say ?
Speaker 1Is she a bitch or a hero or a dick you ? Know , or a bitch , or business woman , I don't know .
Speaker 2She's a good business woman . Oh , she's a great business woman .
Speaker 1And some people might think she's a bitch . Some people sued her for being two hours late to her concert because they had to get up and go to work the next day . What ? I think it's Madonna , she's going on her schedule . She's got her own time zone .
Speaker 2You know , though , if I was Madonna I'm not . If I was a star and people came to see me and there was some reason that I was late for two hours , I would try to do something to appease them . Yes , but I don't think Madonna would .
Speaker 1No , no , she's back doing yoga with some 27 year old dude . So , madonna , how about Jackie oh ?
Speaker 2Oh , she has to be a hero , don't you think ?
Speaker 1I think so . But , a lot of people didn't like when she married Onassis , because I don't know why , but she needed some money , man .
Speaker 2She just did it , just for the money .
Speaker 1Have you seen the pictures of Araya Onassis ? Yeah , I know , you know she had to look out for her kids and she was used to a certain lifestyle .
Speaker 2You know you got to work with what you got .
Speaker 1She worked for years as an editor at I can't think of it publishing company and published lots of books , and so she had her own career . But you know , a lot of people said she was a loose bitch , but I think she was just a good business woman . Yeah , how about here's two , and I'm going to tell you about these two Betty Davis and Joan Crawford In your face . Yeah , so I've been watching on Hulu there is a show called Feud . It's maybe like six episodes , six or eight episodes .
Speaker 2I got to get Hulu again .
Speaker 1And the first season . There's a second season out right now , but the first season is Betty Davis and Joan Crawford's Feud when they're making whatever happened to Baby Jane , and it is so interesting to see both of them and they're both , you know , in the later years of their career . They're trying to revive their careers with this movie and a lot of people they are kind of bitchy , but they kind of have to be because that's how you get something done in Hollywood if you're over 50 probably now , but especially then in the 60s .
Speaker 2That reminds me I'm going to say Hero , hero .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2But when you said about being a bitch , yes . There's a line in Dolores Claybourne when she says to the girl Dolores , sometimes being a bitch is the only thing a woman has to hang on to Sure that you know .
Speaker 1There's also a really cool bracelet you can get . I think it's a ring too . It says on the outside it says be kind , and then on the inside it says of a bitch .
Speaker 2I love it .
Speaker 1I do too .
Speaker 2You have the bracelet .
Speaker 1I made one . No shit , I stamped it out .
Speaker 2You know what , maybe you could sell . Some of those People email us .
Speaker 1People would love to buy them . I can't sell them as cheap as like T-Mew or whatever .
Speaker 2This is legit Hero or Dick merch .
Speaker 1It's not my idea either , if you look on Etsy . They're all over I don't think it's .
Speaker 2Nobody owns that IP .
Speaker 1Nobody does .
Speaker 2So Hero or Dick or bitch 2023 at gmailcom . Let's get a change our email , you can order a bracelet for $30 . Is that enough ?
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 2That's about the going rate . That's about the going rate for them Hero or Dick 2023 at gmailcom .
Speaker 1And one more bitch or business woman was Hillary Clinton .
Speaker 2I like Hillary , I do too . She thinks she's a bitch , but I like her .
Speaker 1I think sometimes she had to be like that , like how she was I don't know , is it bitchy or sort of , or aggressive or firm Because that's the only way you get stuff done . If you're wanting something , we use that term bitchy .
Speaker 2I don't use it to try to be derogative , but I think it's in . You gotta be a bitch . Sometimes Even a dude has to be a bitch , not like a little whiny bitch .
Speaker 1There's a difference between being a little whiny bitch and being a bitch . There's different levels of bitching .
Speaker 2What you think be Hillary Clinton standing up there with all the male , white , fucking men . Oh , you know , that's a lot of bullshit she has to put up with . Just women in general have to put up with a lot of shit . Yeah they do . Oh , my poor mother . No , she had to put up with some shit from us , but anyway , that's not my that's a good list . I like that .
Speaker 1Okay . Um all right , so , and I just want to give a belly whoo out to Mark T , my favorite electrician . Well , maybe not my favorite cuz I know a lot , but I saw him recently and he said oh , Marky T and so I don't see him every day because I don't work and I your way . That I missed him and he said well , I listen to your podcast sometimes , nice . Oh , hey , marky .
Speaker 2Thanks , marky . We need to get a t-shirt with you your face on it , oh , my god , that would be horrible . No no we're getting it .
Speaker 1I'm gonna we're not doing that , I do whatever I want .
Speaker 2Speaking of fans , we've . We don't have a lot of fans , we have some and we appreciate them . 69 different cities in the United States . We have listeners in wow three countries . Three countries Yep , Australia . Well , the United States is one of them . Well , yeah okay , you must have turned some people on while I tried to . Hey Edward , the most recent downloads popping up here Uh , tulsa , oklahoma , oh yeah , cincinnati , ohio .
Speaker 1Oh , cincinnati , ohio , Sure .
Speaker 2Sydney , new Wales , the New South Wales , orange Park , florida . So Our most of our listeners are listening to us on Spotify . Google podcast comes in second than our bus broke .
Speaker 1App and so music . Google podcast changed somehow , and I don't know how or what they do , but they change . So if you can't find us on Google , keep looking other places .
Speaker 2But yeah , I mean , this is pretty cool , that's fun , but our most popular episode- is .
Speaker 1Let me guess , is it cereal ? Nope , oh really first one . The first one , ben Franklin and Franklin , which was back on March 9th . Oh my god , oh no , we lost , we did our anniversary .
Speaker 2We missed it . Fuck , we were talking about we're not doing anything for a one-year anniversary , folks .
Speaker 1Yeah , I do a year and a half . How did ?
Speaker 2we miss it .
Speaker 1Well it was . I was out of the state Son of a I was just getting back from the Grand Canyon .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's hilarious .
Speaker 1Which is the Grand Canyon . I have to say everybody should go there . It's truly Grand .
Speaker 2Kate tried casting from their podcasting .
Speaker 1It was a go to a much echo . So beautiful , everyone should see it . I have lots of pictures . They don't Do is don't even do anything .
Speaker 2We got to start doing this with the camera too , so people can see us .
Speaker 1I'm against that people , just so you know okay , what we'll do the t-shirt anyway but well , no , we're not gonna do a t-shirt , I'm telling you that right now , but we will do some kind of swag .
Speaker 2Okay , well , we got the bracelets .
Speaker 1We want to get that pretty soon so that we can as soon as we have . That we'll let you know like a year and a half anniversary . Why do we have what ? Does that have to be a year ?
Speaker 2Yeah , we're gonna Courtney love this shit .
Speaker 1We'll do what we want , we want you drink , though , cuz I don't .
Speaker 2You smash a tequila bottle on someone's head .
Speaker 1I don't drink tequila , though .
Speaker 2What do you like ?
Speaker 1I like a rum drink .
Speaker 2I like a gin and tonic . Yeah , vodka . Never mentioned how much I liked vodka back .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , I've never been a big vodka fan .
Speaker 2I think most alcoholics are , but oh god , I would mix that shit with tang and drink it we were in .
Speaker 1We flew into Phoenix Arizona and we went to a liquor store . I straight away for on vacation , yeah , first thing you do so I'm trying to buy a gin and I want tonic for my vacation . So I said it was the sketchiest liquor store I was ever in .
Speaker 2Those are the best .
Speaker 1Ever . It was not the best , it was sketchy , it was scary . But I had my bottle of gin and Mike was buying some stuff and I said to the the people in there were very kind and generous and nice . I said can I get where's your tonic ? And she said I don't know what that is . So apparently people in Phoenix at the sketchy liquor store are just drinking gin .
Speaker 2They have plenty of gin . You don't need to mix that . You're not going to mix that . It's kind of Christmas tree-ish .
Speaker 1Wasted . Yeah , it's kind of nice , juniper , juniper .
Speaker 2That's a good summer drink Genitonics .
Speaker 1My mouth is watering , tom .
Speaker 2Collins too . Oh , tom Collins , you know , when I was a kid , I thought Tom Collins was a form of soda pop no kind of is for some people .
Speaker 1Because the parents are like here , you guys , you can have , you can have , and it's all mixers right . You can have a seven-up , a Tom Collins or a Coke . That's all we got .
Speaker 2That's all they need . Yeah , all right . All right , I'll do it . You know , what we should do is have an episode where we just talk about bad things that we've done because of alcohol I've got . I could fill some episodes .
Speaker 1Okay , all right , anyway , all right . Alcohol hero or dick , yeah , oh , it depends . It really depends On the moment .
Speaker 2On the moment . Yeah , on the person . Yeah , oh , definitely on the person . Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , okay , all right , well , this was my good . Thanks , people . Thanks for sharing our one-year anniversary with us that we didn't know about until the last 10 minutes of the show .
Speaker 2Yeah , and again , if anybody wants to be a guest or has any ideas be critical . Whatever you want , Take it Hero or dick two zero , two , three at gmailcom .
Speaker 1That's it .
Speaker 2All right .
Speaker 1Thanks everybody , see you next time , bye , bye .
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