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Hero or Dick - S2, Ep. 8 - The Mafia
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Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick! Strap in, folks, because Kate and KJ are peeling back the layers of the notorious mafia, with its staunch traditions and dark dealings. From the Sicilian shores to the bustling streets of the U.S., we reminisce about the mob's role as the iron-fisted protectors of Italian immigrants. We can't help but spill some personal stories along the way, especially when mulling over the likes of John Gotti and his snazzy suits that flouted the mob's code of omertà. And let's not forget the whispers of a local Polish mafia – though we'll keep you guessing on that one.
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~ Kate & KJ
Mafia
Speaker 1Okay , hello everybody . Hello , welcome to Hero or Dick episode , season 2 . Season 2 , episode 8 . 8 . Broadcasting from Horsefeather Studio in the lovely metropolis of Alpena , Michigan .
Speaker 2Just a note here from the 45th parallel I've learned this week that Alpena has approximately 10,000 residents .
Speaker 1Where , in the city limits , in the city , used to be more right ?
Speaker 2Yes , yeah , it's decreased .
Speaker 1The chosen few are left . There's us and 9,999 people .
Speaker 2I think a lot of people who live here , especially when you're young , and if you grow up here , you want to move away , not because you hate it , but because you think you hate it , and then you move away and you go .
Speaker 1I miss it .
Speaker 2You don't know what you got until it's gone .
Speaker 1Hey , who sang that ?
Speaker 2Joni Mitchell . Oh , somebody else probably sang it ?
Speaker 1Probably Joni Mitchell .
Speaker 2The big taxi , big yellow taxi . It's her song , but somebody redid it like Counting Crows or somebody like that All right veering way , way off of track , because our topic today is mafia .
Speaker 1The mob the mob ?
Speaker 2What's the other names for it ?
Speaker 1CosaNostra , cosanostra , cosanostra .
Speaker 2CosaNostra , cosanostra , cosanostra .
Speaker 1The family . Families .
Speaker 2They are the families .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know , no matter what they do , they're dicks .
Speaker 2I mean I'll just get right into it . Oh , you're just going to start right out with that , yeah .
Speaker 1You know , and there's this fellow . I should have got his name . I got some of my information watching a podcast . This guy that he used to be in the Loose .
Speaker 2Yeah , I got his name right here . His name is John Alight .
Speaker 1I don't know if that was him .
Speaker 2He's a former hitman for Gambino's and he has a podcast called the John and Jean Show . Okay , that's not , and worked with .
Speaker 1So that's funny , which ?
Speaker 2I listened to only partially one of them , but it was interesting and yet it was horrifying .
Speaker 1All these guys , I think , then , that are still left and not in the mob . Have their podcasts , because I thought this guy was from the Lucis family , the guy I was watching . He was a little unpolished but it was pretty fascinating .
Speaker 2Yeah , I would think they all . If they were true mobsters , I think they would be Sure . I guess they could be in communications , who knows ?
Speaker 1So where did the mob originate ?
Speaker 2Well , some of them originated in Italy .
Speaker 1Italy , italy , sicily , they're .
Speaker 2Italian , sicily , yep .
Speaker 1And then they moved Italy , italy , sicily , italian , sicily , yep . And then they moved . It was just folks . The Italians came to the United States and they were oppressed , and the mafia was born out of that , because it was a way to protect and fight oppression .
Speaker 2So when they moved to the US , especially although they had it in Italy too , yeah , it was their , it's their tribe , really , their Casinascro .
Speaker 1Yeah , it was their . It's their tribe , really , their Casinostro .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Their thing .
Speaker 2And in Italy there was a bunch of them Sicilian , calabrian , neapolitan .
Speaker 1Do you like Neapolitan ice cream ?
Speaker 2I do not , why not ? I say choose a flavor . Choose a flavor , what's your ?
Speaker 1favorite ice cream If you say vanilla .
Speaker 2Oh no , I wouldn't say vanilla .
Speaker 1You seem like a Reese's peanut butter cup .
Speaker 2Well , I do like Reese's peanut butter cups , but really not in the ice cream .
Speaker 1Okay . We'll let you go on that , then no Neapolitan for you .
Speaker 2But no Neapolitan no I don't know . Why is that named after them ? I don't know , I don yeah .
Speaker 1Maybe some pasta .
Speaker 2But the mafia is worldwide . In Japan there's the Kazooza Kazooza .
Speaker 1I'll take your word for it .
Speaker 2We'd have to check the pronunciation on that one , but they're the same thing . In Japan , colombia of course has a lot of mobsters , let's say Mobsters , mm-hmm , if not a formal mafia . So when I was looking at the mafia I made a list of good and bad .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2So mafia good , they're very community-minded .
Speaker 1Sure they are , they have to be .
Speaker 2They are . They have to be they are Now . The bad side of that is they run your neighborhood . Yeah , because they're so community minded . You pay the piazzo , the protection money , and they'll protect you yeah .
Speaker 1But if Uncle Leo isn't paying the rent for a shoe store , they're going to bust his legs and kill his dog . You want to ?
Speaker 2stay on the good side .
Speaker 1You know they don't kill women or children purposely .
Speaker 2Well , they never used to go after families . That was forbidden , but we can talk about that too . There's a whole bunch of things that used to be , and then it kind of got broken when modern mobsters came around like John Gotti .
Speaker 1What a douche that guy was . I didn't watch a documentary on that guy . What a fucko . I mean he ruined the mafia he did , because the code is that the mob boss , the underboss , they're all supposed to act with the same presence , the same whatever . He thought he was above everything , which he kind of was , and so he was doing shit that nobody else would do , as a mob boss Thought he was a fucking Hollywood starlet , for God's sakes .
Speaker 2You know what I mean he's a very dapper dresser , oh .
Speaker 1God , what a dipshit . Oops , I'm just kidding , just kidding , he's deaf .
Speaker 2He's got relatives , though , so watch out , there's a Polish mafia .
Speaker 1Is there here in town ?
Speaker 2Really , I don't want to talk too much about it . Huh , I wouldn't have guessed that . But under mafia good , I also have family first . Now that's for good or bad . That could go under either category , but I mean they took care of their families , and because of that , they took care of their wives and children .
Speaker 1And you didn't screw around with them either . Oh yeah , Can you ?
Speaker 2kill a mistress , though Probably .
Speaker 1I don't think you can kill women and children .
Speaker 2Or you couldn't . That's what these guys were telling me . Okay , they weren't telling you .
Speaker 1That's what these guys were telling me Okay , they weren't telling you , that's what you , we do some heavy investigative reporting for this show .
Speaker 2You were infiltrated , like Donnie Brasco , donnie Brasco , donnie Brasco . I love Donnie Brasco because he showed us that not all mob members live this beautiful , glamorous life like you think they do in the movies and the books .
Speaker 1Yeah it just wasn't true it was like a job .
Speaker 2A full-time , 24-hour A 24-hour job and it's not a job that you can say hey , I think I'm going to quit and go somewhere else . No , you don't do that you got to really commit to it .
Speaker 1One of those guys that left , one of those podcast guys or whatever , saw him on a podcast . He left , somehow got out . Oh , he was an informant and then he was supposed to testify , but when it came to that point he said no . So the mob , I guess , was like okay , you're bad , he had to change everything . He's like I never could walk my dog at the same time during the day . I never did anything the same every day and you know he had to change up his patterns all the time because he's still afraid .
Speaker 2It's not Sammy the Bull , is it . Is that what you're talking about ?
Speaker 1No , he was number 18 on Forbes' list of most successful mob men back in the day , and Gotti was number 13 at the time . Oh , gross Out of that list of 50 , 43 of those people are dead this guy , and there's only a handful of the ones left . Anyway , sorry I interrupted .
Speaker 2What's the ?
Speaker 1other joyous , lovely things .
Speaker 2So the good , some of the good that they brought us . Was they provided alcohol during Prohibition Gosh ? Yeah , I mean that they brought us . Was they provided alcohol during prohibition Gotcha ?
Speaker 2I mean prohibition was bullshit . Anyway , I think You're not going to get a whole . It's kind of like saying , okay , come on , now , we're all going to be Catholics or we're all going to do yoga every day . You can't impose what you think on everybody and if you don't want to drink , don't drink . You know , don't drink . But if I want to have a drink , have a drink , have a drink . So and I don't think prohibition would have worked .
Speaker 2It always shocks me how long the country was under prohibition it's like seven years and so guys who went to war and then came back they couldn't drink . I mean , it was illegal . So they did provide alcohol during Prohibition , which I think is good . You know , I'm sure there's people who think that's bad . Another good thing they gave us was Las Vegas , which some people would argue is that good or bad ?
Speaker 1Listen to Kate .
Speaker 2They gave us booze . They gave us gambling ?
Speaker 1What about prostitution ?
Speaker 2They had some good sex trafficking and porn going around . They had 1-800 numbers .
Speaker 1They were responsible for a lot of those 1-800 or 888 sex lines , so that was another good that I had Not the 800 numbers , although free reign was vending machines .
Speaker 2So that was before they got into drugs , which is bad .
Speaker 1They don't do that On my bad list . You know , they say they don't , they did , they did . Oh yeah , big time .
Speaker 2Before all of that , they did a big business with pinball , pinball cigarettes , pop food , et cetera Anything in a vending machine and I happen to like a vending machine . We don't have enough of them in the US .
Speaker 1Bring them back . That's what I say , yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , you look at like China and Japan . They have a vending machine for everything . So obviously some of the bad . You know they do like to murder people . But well , I shouldn't say that I don't think they like to murder people . I think they have to because that's what is expected of them . If you wrong , you know a mafia member and it reflects on them , they're going to take you out because that's what they do . Yeah , yeah , and gambling too . I mean , gambling can be fun , sure , if you're winning , but they Loan sharks .
Speaker 2Like many , yeah , like that type of gambling is what I was thinking I wasn't thinking like go to the casino with your $20 and lose it .
Speaker 2No , I was thinking like , yeah , I'll loan you $5,000 . You pay me $10,000 back in three weeks . I mean , that's just not realistic . And drugs Drugs really , I think are what . I think that's what brought them down was when they decided to have drugs , and then I don't know if it's ties into it , but once they started dealing drugs and made that okay , then it seems like they had a lot of narking within yeah , a lot more people were willing to , and so once that first person and I can't think of who that is once that first person was like yeah , I'll be an informant .
Speaker 2then it was like it opened the door to everybody . A stoolie , yeah , once there was one stoolie , they were all like , all right , I'll do it too .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2What do you say to that ?
Speaker 1Well , I say it's pretty fascinating because , yeah , they still are pretty active and successful in some endeavors . But yeah , I mean , they've actually tried to have some legitimate businesses , like the big fish market in new york , um , but they were shut down because there were a lot of people working a legitimate business . Um , they still have sanitation companies , um , some of them own restaurants . Some of them own the supply chain that supplies the restaurants , which which is , you know , the business .
Speaker 1But I think it's neat . Because , well , it's not neat . I mean , the one guy described them one of the ex-mob members described the mafia as an amoeba . It's always changing and adapting , and I think that's what they've done , because they're now online gambling . They have websites that they set up through places like in Costa Rica , so it's harder to bust them Right . And then they also are into crypto , just like me , oh my gosh .
Speaker 2But they're using it for nefarious reasons , not like me , not like you , but yeah , they've been really getting into that .
Speaker 1So you know they're trying , but it's harder now because there's cameras everywhere . Yes , the government can tap into anything .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1And so , when the RICO Act came , what was that ? Back in the 80s . That basically gave 70s , 80s , yeah , yeah it gave the government any means and funds necessary to get rid of them .
Speaker 2It did . They still haven't got rid of them . No , but get rid of them . They did . They still haven't got rid of them . No , um they . But you're right that they change , they adapt to um the the times that they live in what about their hierarchy ? Um well , I think it's like any family you know they got their you got the um . What's the associates ?
Speaker 1the boss , oh yeah , if you want to go down . It's the way you got the commission , which is like the board of directors .
Speaker 2So that's like the bosses of the family members .
Speaker 1And then you got the bosses , the underbosses , captains . They're the crews of the soldiers . Then you got your soldiers , you got your maid members , which are friends or soldiers , whatever , I don't know .
Speaker 2I thought a maid person had to be okayed by the big guys . And you have to be well , at least in the movies I've watched and the books I've read , you have to be Italian .
Speaker 1Yeah , you do , yeah , and they do a blood . What's it called A blood saint ceremony ? Oh , where they actually . They come bring you in and they have a gun on the table and a knife on the table , and then they have a picture of a saint whatever saint they choose to use , I guess and they prick the trigger fingers of the people , whether it's your left or right , and they drop it on the saint , the picture of it , and then they say some things you have to repeat after them and then they burn the picture of the saint and that's their blood ritual to get into the mafia .
Speaker 2You sound like you're pretty intimate on the details there . I'm not going to ask how the Polish mafia and say what you will about mafia , whether you agree with them or even if you don't agree with them . You know they do do good and bad , but they have brought us a lot of movies and books that are very enjoyable .
Speaker 1They had an influence not only on the labor unions for regular stuff but the Hollywood unions .
Speaker 2Oh yeah .
Speaker 1And so they influenced some of how things were portrayed in movies and whatnot too . Pretty brilliant .
Speaker 2Well , and I think in the 70s . Then it became more realistic . You look at the movies from the 40s , 50s , even early 60s , and they're just mafia bad guys . And then when you watch the Godfather and Goodfellas and Scarface , I like that one , I like all those really , and the Irishman which was just out recently .
Speaker 1What about Angels with Filthy Souls ?
Speaker 2So isn't that an old one though ?
Speaker 1That's the one from Home Alone . Oh , Keep the change , you filthy animal
Mafia Movies and Streaming Services
Speaker 1that's actually . They made that fake movie for the movie .
Speaker 2Oh , I didn't know that .
Speaker 1They made that section up .
Speaker 2Oh I thought it was a real one . No , oh , thanks for bursting that dream .
Speaker 1Sorry about that .
Speaker 2And then TV . You have the Sopranos , of course .
Speaker 1That was excellent .
Speaker 2Another movie that I wanted to mention was American Gangster , because it was a more modern take on the mafia and about Frank Lucas and Denzel Washington played him in the movie and how he rose to height of fame , but he always took care of his community . But he was also a drug dealer . So was he taking care of his community ? I mean , yeah , he's giving them money for this and that and buying them turkeys on Thanksgiving , and then he you know his soldiers are selling them drugs .
Speaker 1Right .
Speaker 2So I don't know so , does your good wash out any bad that you've done or no ?
Speaker 1I don't know if you're whacking people out .
Speaker 2I mean and also disaster relief .
Speaker 1Yeah , what was it , sandy ? What ?
Speaker 2Hurricane Sandy yeah her .
Speaker 1They kind of came to the rescue .
Speaker 2Yeah , they did yeah .
Speaker 1I don't know . It's a weird . I guess the thing is if you or I are walking down the street and meet some guy from the mob , you don't care , he's not going to do anything to us . But if you're engaged with them in some of their business dealings , you're probably going to feel the pain sooner or later , sooner or later , yeah , unless you become one too . Yep which ? No , you don't want to do that . Yep which ?
Speaker 2no , you don't want to do that . Yeah , there's probably people who do want to do that , I guess .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , of course .
Speaker 2That's not something I care to do . The first ever billionaire mobster was a woman . Come on , griselda Blanco , nice , I love that name . She was a drug . I know it sounds like she Meets business . She does , griselda .
Speaker 1She puts cigarettes out on you .
Speaker 2In your forehead , in your forehead .
Speaker 1Not missing her own .
Speaker 2She is a drug lord in Columbia . Oh nice , mm-hmm , she was the first . She dead Billionaire .
Speaker 1You know , I don't know how , do you never mind ? We know presidents that have gotten away with that .
Speaker 2How are you stashing it spending ?
Speaker 1it . What do you do ?
Speaker 2And people wash money every day , all day long .
Speaker 1You still wash money , but that's a lot of money .
Speaker 2That's a lot of money . Yeah , somebody's looking at you Well one of those mob movies . They had it all in their house . I'd have to think about what one that is . Somebody came to rob them and they're like where in the hell are they keeping the money ? There's 20 grand in the safe of BFD . And then they started knocking down the walls and they had to insulate all the walls with money .
Speaker 1You watch Ozark yet no , it's not the mob , but it's the drunk cartel which is involved with the mob , which is pretty much the same thing . Jason Bateman , you know what ? Remember him .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't know .
Speaker 1He never made it . He never made it .
Speaker 2I think it's on Netflix , so I canceled that .
Speaker 1Netflix . Yeah , you canceled Netflix I . What do you do ? What do you watch ? You were just talking about Apple . You were getting rid of that .
Speaker 2Well , we have like every other streaming service , so I canceled Netflix to see if we'd miss it .
Speaker 1You're going to miss it , you don't miss it .
Speaker 2So far I have .
Speaker 1How long has it been ?
Speaker 2It's been a month . You hear that , Brooke .
Speaker 1It's possible you make it sound like I quit snorting here and there it's like oh man , you're off the smack . Why , what are we ? And ?
Speaker 2I'm not against Netflix . I just got to the point where it's like do we need these five streaming services ?
Speaker 1And we have cable which is bullshit . Oh , you have cable which I don't even want to talk about cable . Okay , we won't talk about it , so we have .
Speaker 2Prime .
Speaker 1We have Disney , which includes Hulu . We have so Hulu , Disney , Prime .
Speaker 2Right now we have Apple TV and there's one other that we have .
Speaker 1We've got like Peacock or Paramount .
Speaker 2No , but there's one other one and I can't think of what it is .
Speaker 1That's all right .
Speaker 2So anywho .
Speaker 1What do you like the best out of those ?
Speaker 2I like to read books .
Speaker 1Why do you even have streaming services ?
Speaker 2then well , prime you just have , I have because I like to . I like their shipping .
Speaker 1I I know it comes with .
Speaker 2I know amazon is evil , but with prime you get books and you get tv and you get shipping .
Speaker 1Sorry it makes sense , it's not free .
Speaker 2I mean you have to pay for it . You pay a fee every year , but you ever buy movies through there .
Speaker 1Uh , it's easy to do . You just hit that button click .
Speaker 2I don't buy them . I try to just get the freebies . Oh , I buy a lot of , but um , I haven't bought one in a long time . How about about Voodoo ? Yeah , we watch that too .
Speaker 1And now it's Fandango .
Speaker 2Fandango and so old TV things are on there . Sorry we're going off track , but anyway the .
Speaker 1Netflix has a lot of good mob stuff on there . They do , they do the .
Speaker 2Irishman , irishman With Robert De Niro . That movie is a long movie , but it is worth it . It's worth it . That's why it's great to watch it on Netflix .
Speaker 1You just pause it Sure Every five minutes when someone walks in .
Speaker 2Watch it the next day , so I had to watch it like the first time . I've watched it more than once , so that says something too .
Speaker 1It does .
Speaker 2Robert De Niro , though , and he's in many a mob movie . He's phenomenal . He could go to the mob right now and say I'm going to be boss , and they'd say , okay .
Speaker 1He might be .
Speaker 2We don't know .
Speaker 1Did you see Cape Fear ? Yeah , with De Niro . Yeah , holy scary shit .
Speaker 2Yeah , he's a scary guy when he wants to be my God .
Speaker 1Okay , Sorry , Now what we were talking about the mob .
Speaker 2The mob . He's also in the Godfather 2 and he's fabulous in it . Fabioso , you need to watch it .
Speaker 1I know you didn't watch it or you would be bragging about it . I didn't want to talk about the Godfather because I didn't watch it . I said I was going to .
Speaker 2It's not just the best mob movie , it's one of the best movies .
Speaker 1Okay , I did see Scarface .
Speaker 2Yeah , al Pacino , or old one .
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 2Yeah , al Pacino , or old one , yes , yeah , al Pacino , both of them are good . And that Al Pacino , he can do no wrong either . Also , in the Godfather movies , yeah , he plays a great mobster .
Speaker 1They have donated to churches , hospitals , community centers .
Speaker 2Sometimes it's genuine , but sometimes it's to soften their yeah , sometimes it's to , to get a get out of jail free get somebody off their back . So for our fast five , let's talk about mafia lessons oh goody okay , so the first mafia lesson is keep your friends close , but your enemies closer .
Speaker 1Am I supposed to say ?
Speaker 2something . Well , I think , if you think it's a hero , you agree with it . And why wouldn't you agree with that ?
Speaker 1I think it's wise to do that , yeah .
Speaker 2I think if you didn't agree with that , if you thought that was dick info , you would be in uh , not a smart this one , uh is true . I think your word is your honor . Reputation is everything yeah not everyone lives by that , though , either no , always do what you .
Speaker 1How would a hemiway say always do , sober what you said you would do drunk .
Speaker 2Oh , that's a great quote .
Speaker 1Because people tend to say shit when they're drinking .
Speaker 2I used to do that .
Ethical Dilemmas and Moral Values
Speaker 2They make a lot of promises .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's why I quit drinking .
Speaker 2Was that one of your promises ? Part of the reason ? So you didn't have to make any promises ?
Speaker 1Yeah , it's like oh geez , but no , that's a good one I like that ?
Speaker 2How about this one ? Don't rat on your family or friends . Yep , well , it depends . Is it going to help them ?
Speaker 1Yeah , if it helps them . We don't know it's like what would you do if your sister brother ? What do you want , sister or brother ?
Speaker 2Say a sister . Okay , your sister came over and she's like I killed somebody .
Speaker 1Yeah , you got to help me . I see the body is in my trunk .
Speaker 2I'm not laughing because it's true .
Speaker 1The body is in my trunk , wow , and I need your help .
Speaker 2What would you do ?
Speaker 1I don't know . It's fucking tough .
Speaker 2I'd say who is it ?
Speaker 1I would , I would say who is it ?
Speaker 2I would , I would say who is it and if they were like it's and what are the circumstances , it's so-and-so . Was it like Thelma and Louise and somebody was trying to rape ? You or shoot you or kill you or hurt you and you shot them in self-defense , I'd still say go to the police . And maybe I'm an idiot for that , but I think that no , I mean it's going to catch up sooner or later .
Speaker 2you're best to admit it before it catches up with you . But I don't know . You don't know what you would do until you're in that circumstance .
Speaker 1That's tough .
Speaker 2Yeah , what was the question ? I don't know .
Speaker 1Oh family .
Speaker 2Oh , don't rat on your family and friends .
Speaker 1That's heroic . It is , but it can be bad for everybody too . Yeah .
Speaker 2So we'll let you ponder about that one .
Speaker 1I'll say it's a heroic thought .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1But it could lead to dickish outcomes , it's true that . Either way you're fucked Either way .
Speaker 2Yeah , Damn it Okay .
Speaker 1You and your moral dilemmas .
Speaker 2Here is a Bruce Lee quote , but it's used by the mafia .
Speaker 1What they can't do , that can they . I guess they can do whatever they want .
Speaker 2Maybe Bruce Lee was in the mafia . No he wasn't . Calm is a superpower .
Speaker 1Hero . Yes , absolutely , it is a superpower .
Speaker 2So do you want to ? I used to tell people when I was working if they , if you know , if somebody calls me for a part and I don't have it , you can be a hero about it and just say , how quick can you get it ? I really need it . Can you put me at the top of the list ? Thank you for your effort . Or you can throw a fit and yell at me and call me names .
Speaker 1Go to the bottom .
Speaker 2And guess what , when that part comes in in , you're not getting it . So calm to me is just keep your cool , and and I think I'm just thinking of all the mafia movies they really exemplify that how do you ?
Speaker 1how do you ? Your whole life have you been low-key , kate , because you're pretty low-key and easy going .
Speaker 2Oh , I try to be for the most part , but you know , sometimes you gotta have a fit .
Speaker 1I think the older I get , I'm getting a lot better at just like okay . I think that's true .
Speaker 2I think that you know , it depends on , again , the circumstance , but for the most part it's like what I always tell my kids is okay , what's the worst that could happen .
Speaker 1Mm-hmm .
Speaker 2You know , I know this is a problem right now , but is it really ? Is anyone ?
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Has anyone died ? Is anyone losing a limb ?
Speaker 1Right .
Speaker 2You know , is everyone okay ? If everyone's okay , let's just sit back and think about it . Oh , apparently the voice is in my head . Yeah , there we go .
Speaker 1That , but apparently the voice is in my head yeah , there we go . That was actually one of our fans , I think , walking by they had a Kiss Me Kate sign and they went right on by . No , I think that it's interesting because I'm kind of a high-strung person , but that's because my brain doesn't stop . But sobriety has helped me a lot , because I used to just get pissed about whatever , you know , like I had a shorter fuse and I feel bad now because , like yesterday , my wife and I were talking about something and she was giving our kids the business about something which they deserved . But I was like , eh , and I shouldn't have .
Speaker 1I said , eh , the sun's still going to come up . And she looked at me and I thought ooh . And she's probably thinking sure thing , dickhead . You were the one that was always bitching about everything , and now you're supposedly Mr Zen .
Speaker 2And so it's . You know , good cop , bad cop . Yeah , you got to work together . She's the good one . The other quote that goes along with that is that the loudest person in the room is the weakest loudest person in the room is the weakest .
Speaker 1Yeah , I agree with that .
Speaker 2There's one like this , similar to that like the quietest person in the room is usually the smartest , or something like that . That's cool , yeah , opposite of that that makes sense . Okay , we got one more Never outshine the master , like , pay tribute to the boss and don't although that's how god he well , that's how he got where he was . He did outshine the master . He and you weren't supposed to and everybody was like what's he doing ?
Speaker 2yeah and he just did it . It didn't work for him in the end . I mean , he ended up dying in prison right but for a little while it worked for him .
Speaker 1Yeah , I guess it should be . Don't intend to outshine the master Because eventually , if you don't outshine the master and you're doing all the things right , you will outshine the master . Yeah , but yeah , that makes sense .
Speaker 2Yeah , but if you're a boss at work , and trying to yeah . Well , I don't know . Yeah , that never works out . It depends on who the master is . Some masters will say good job , thank you for thinking of what I wouldn't have , mm-hmm . And some masters would say you're fired .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , threatened them .
Speaker 2Because you threatened them .
Speaker 1Mm-hmm .
Speaker 2Some people don't mind not being the smartest in the room . I hope I'm always in a room where I'm not the smartest .
Speaker 1Yeah , what's the point ?
Speaker 2Because that would be stupid Right . But some people always want to be the smartest people in the courtroom let's say oh God , yeah , that's all . I'm going to say , okay , two Ballyhoos .
Speaker 1Ballyhoo .
Speaker 2A Ballyhoo to Jesse . It's his 40th birthday today .
Speaker 1Jesse .
Speaker 2It's his 40th birthday today and I want to say hey to Alyssa and Courtney , because they help me when I need money .
Speaker 1That's all I'm going to say they are not in the mafia .
Speaker 2I'll repeat they are not in the mafia .
Speaker 1Also , it's Shakespeare Day today .
Speaker 2And I just it's . Shakespeare Day today , and I just want to say that I believe that William Shakespeare is the most overrated person in the world besides Jesus .
Speaker 1Really . Yeah , I think you might be right .
Speaker 2I've had those classes I think a lot of his writings were either stolen or over time were somebody else's and then were given to him .
Speaker 1I think it was a group of people writing and he took credit for it yes . But it could be wrong .
Speaker 2I don't know . We won't know until we time travel . Yeah , okay , anything else you want to say ?
Speaker 1Well , I think we could talk all day about stuff , but it's 30 minutes in .
Speaker 2We're 30 minutes . That's as long as people want to listen . Yeah , After that my voice
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Speaker 1That's it . We are on Amazon Streaming on Spotify .
Speaker 2Yeah , Not on Google anymore . Later Google they dropped everybody .
Speaker 1Why would they do it ? Everyone else is doing it .
Speaker 2I guess they can just link to it and scour and steal information . I guess yeah .
Speaker 1But we're on some other buzzsprout . I guess that's where we do this yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , you can find us there quickly . That was the easiest one that I found while I was showing some people this week . Oh , hey , to Suzanne too .
Speaker 1Hey , suzanne , she's hopefully listening . Hello , why wouldn't she be ?
Speaker 2Why wouldn't she be ? I don't know . I can tell people about it . That doesn't mean they're going to listen , right ?
Speaker 1I understand , but for those of you that do , thank you , thank you , thank you , thank you .
Speaker 2And email us with any ideas or critiques or praise or coupons .
Speaker 1We'll accept anything , free coffee .
Speaker 2Free anything .
Speaker 1All right then .
Speaker 2Well , thanks everybody . Thank you Bye .
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