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Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick - S2., Ep. 14 - Serial Killers
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What truly defines a serial killer? Join us for an eye-opening discuss of the most infamous figures like Samuel Little, Harold Shipman, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy. We try to break down the chilling world of serial killers and shed light on their gruesome methods and the immense toll of their crimes. We also explore lesser-known but equally disturbing cases, including a sinister doctor from "The Burbs" 😉 and the elusive Jack the Ripper.
Thanks for listening!
- Kate & KJ (and Jovi)
Conversations on Serial Killers
Speaker 1Oh my god , I cried Alright , welcome to Hero , or Dick . I just started , it Just start whenever you want .
Speaker 2Kate and Jovi are busy talking about politics and gymnastics . We have a guest today . Say hi , hi , it's Jovi .
Speaker 1It's Jovi , just Jovi . Just Jovi , how do you spell your name Jovi ?
Speaker 2Is that what people always ask you ?
Speaker 3J-O-Y-V-E double I .
Speaker 1Is it Jody ? Is it Josie ?
Speaker 2Is it Joby ?
Speaker 3Is it ?
Speaker 1Joby .
Speaker 3Joby .
Speaker 1Is it Jony ? Yes , my parents named me Joby . We have Jony with us today .
Speaker 3My friends call me Joby , though .
Speaker 1Joby's 14 years old my daughter .
Speaker 3Oh , my God , I'm not 14 .
Speaker 1She's 15 years old .
Speaker 3Just had a birthday recently . What's your middle name ?
Speaker 1Bree . I didn't see her for her birthday because of the custody battle , but she turned 15 without me even knowing and she thinks she's 30 . And she lives like a hoarder .
Speaker 3No , I don't .
Speaker 1Anyhow , we love her and we're glad that she's here , because she knows a lot about our topic today which is what Kate .
Speaker 3Well , I was going to let Jovi say it Ser Our topic today which is what Kate Well , I was going to let Jovi say it Serial killers .
Speaker 2Ah , that's it .
Speaker 1Yeah , we're done . Thanks everybody . All right , kate , you are very familiar with murders , killers . Dateline NBC .
Speaker 2I know , oh , I am Forensic files . Well , tell me this , jovi what is the one thing that we should know about serial killers ? Everybody should know about serial killers . Everybody should know about serial killers . Well , that that's true . How many people do you have to kill to be a serial killer ? I ? Don't know that actually well , it depends on who you ask . I think too .
Speaker 3I think it depends on also , like how you kill them isn't it three ?
Speaker 1I think it was two or three it's like a self-defense . You're not a serial killer no , no , no , no , no . Serial killers like a that's your job .
Speaker 2You just don't get paid for it . That's what you do .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , you get pleasure out of it apparently .
Speaker 2You do in a way .
Speaker 1Gross . Well , you must .
Speaker 2Bad .
Speaker 3I know the main ones , Like you say .
Speaker 1Does that sound like a cheer .
Speaker 2When I say serial killer . You say who do you think of ?
Speaker 3Samuel Little . Is that the same ? He's the most prolific serial killer . I actually just listened to a podcast about him .
Speaker 1He's my number one .
Speaker 2He is number one . How many people did he kill ?
Speaker 3Didn't he kill like nine In the 90s , or was it in the 93 . It ?
Speaker 2was Samuel Little . He confessed to 93 . Women .
Speaker 1So there's got to be more , or he did three and said he did 93 .
Speaker 2Well , maybe , maybe he's just a breaker , but I guess to confess , you have to have bodies right .
Speaker 3Well , not necessarily .
Speaker 2We shouldn't be on the road .
Speaker 3I mean , if there's that many people missing , then I connect the dots .
Speaker 2And he killed between 1970 and the 2000s .
Speaker 1That's like he did it until he had to retire it was yeah 93 . How many years is that ? 35 years ?
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1That's three a year .
Speaker 2That's one every quarter . Well , he had to meet a quota .
Speaker 1What's that background noise ?
Speaker 2I think it's outside .
Speaker 1Where's Scotty ? Scotty , our intern . So yeah , he was the biggie , but you know who ?
Speaker 2killed more than him and they classified him as the serial killer . That doctor , harold Shipman , oh yeah , yeah . He's in the UK 200 , right 250 . Confirmed 250 .
Speaker 1You went worldwide , didn't you ? With your ?
Speaker 2murderers . Well , I actually . After I looked at a lot of the data , I thought they're all from the US , so I tried to find one out of the US .
Speaker 1Oh , there's other ones , yeah , yeah and I'm sure there's yeah . I bet you , japan doesn't have any .
Speaker 2Well , they don't have guns , they have that suicide forest , so they just send them there .
Speaker 3What .
Speaker 1Suicide forest .
Speaker 2We'll do a show on it .
Speaker 1She said suicide forest .
Speaker 2In Japan . You know of it right ? Of course I'm not making it up , no they talk about suicide in school , okay .
Speaker 3Anyway , when I hear doctor serial killer , I think of the doctor from the burbs who tried to kill the doctor that just moved in .
Speaker 2Yeah , oh yeah , the dude , the burbs , he had skulls in his basement .
Speaker 1And it turns out he was a murderer .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2He was ? Wasn't Dan Eckroyd in ?
Speaker 1there , oh my god Tom .
Speaker 2Hanks , tom Hanks .
Speaker 1And Corey Feldman .
Speaker 2One of the Corys .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Alright , so who are some other serial killers ? Gary Ridgway .
Speaker 3Ted Bundy , jeffrey Dahmer , john Wayne Gacy those are the most common . They are .
Speaker 2They're the most popular who ? How about Jack the Ripper ?
Speaker 1Oh yeah .
Speaker 2Never caught .
Speaker 3What is that one with ?
Speaker 2the night stalker .
Speaker 1Wasn't he a doctor ? Well , they think he was , but he was never caught .
Speaker 3Who's the night stalker ?
Speaker 1Oh , that Richard Ramirez , wasn't it ?
Speaker 3Yes , I think that was who it was . They have a documentary about that on Netflix . That dude is creepy .
Speaker 1Wasn't it Richard Ramirez .
Speaker 3I think , so I can't remember I Googled him .
Speaker 1Huh , richard Ramirez , isn't he on my list ?
Speaker 2I started with Jack the Ripper . Okay , richard . Ramirez isn't he on my list ? I started with Jack the Ripper , okay . Never caught is his thing . Also , serial killers , I just want to say someone who murders two or more with a cooling off period in between . They kill characteristically , so kind of the same way every time , so they have a predictable pattern .
Speaker 2Typically , I mean , they can go rogue , I suppose , because they are serial killers . So Jack the Ripper , john Wayne Gacy , performed as a clown . So that , right there is why a lot of people are afraid of clowns .
Speaker 1Was he the basement guy too ?
Speaker 2Yes , the one that was Was he the basement or was Jeffrey Dahmer ?
Speaker 1No , that was Dahmer , was the fridge right .
Speaker 2Yeah , he was the fridge , he was a freezer .
Speaker 3John Langhese had so many bodies underneath his house the only way the reason he got caught was it was so hot outside . They all melted together and it started to stink .
Speaker 2And they were buried , though , right .
Speaker 1Yeah , in Cleveland right .
Speaker 2There were so many bodies that they actually like melted . I'm not sure where . Oh , right here , yeah , the killer clown 33 teenage boys buried most of them in the crawl space of his home , and he died by execution .
Speaker 3Was it John ? I don't think so . There was a dude similar to John Wayne Gacy who would kill people , and he also owned like a burger shack .
Speaker 2So was he a copycat , serial killer Kind of ? There's that too it was just this .
Speaker 3I just remember because it was like a fat dude who he would kill people and he had a burger shack and he would make them into the burgers and feed them to people .
Speaker 1I've never heard of that one .
Speaker 2Isn't that the movie Fried Green Tomatoes ? No what , you should watch it , because I think I know where he got his idea . Oh my God .
Speaker 1Well , there was Dean Corll was another one , he was called the Candyman . Oh and he murdered 28 young men and boys in Houston , houston . How did he die ?
Speaker 2I don't know . Young men and boys in Houston , houston , how did he die ? I don't know . Do we know ? So , jeffrey Dahmer , 17 men in Milwaukee . He liked to dismember them .
Speaker 3And then , do stuff to them .
Speaker 2Yeah , he was , I also watched the . He was beaten to death in jail . Karma , not enough karma , but whatever .
Speaker 1Yeah , serial killers are cowards , obviously , obviously . Yeah , you're not going to stand up to some hardened drug cartel guy in prison .
Speaker 2No , no , it's like a policeman going to prison . Yeah , good night , irene , you're going to die .
Speaker 1Who's the one that appeared ? He didn't appear in real life , but they talked about him in a Seinfeld episode , do you remember ? And Seinfeld was afraid to go out of the house and he's kept that relationship with the woman because he didn't want to get killed by her .
Speaker 2I don't recall that Joel Rifkin .
Speaker 1He was a serial killer in New York , mostly women , and he killed 17 of them .
Speaker 2That's a lot . Yeah , I mean not when you compare it to 250 , but still 17 people . One is a lot 17 families and Ted Bundy in the 70s 30 women he executed what ? Or 30 women he killed At least 30 .
Speaker 1Ted Bundy did .
Speaker 2Ted Bundy yeah , he was executed .
Speaker 3The only serial killers I don't see a problem with are Butter's parents in South Park .
Speaker 1Oh yeah .
Speaker 3They kill a lot of people .
Speaker 1That's cool .
Speaker 3All for their son too .
Speaker 1We'll get to that too , like entertainment .
Speaker 2The entertainment part of it , because those are fun yeah .
Speaker 1Who else you got on your list ?
Speaker 2I got lots .
Speaker 1I shouldn't even have this money .
Speaker 2I had to narrow my list down . I know that is sad , isn't it ? I can't write all these people down .
Speaker 1I had to narrow it down to the US and I was trying to find trends . I was like , excuse me . You were trying to psych them out , find trends and you know what I was using AI . Okay , trying to analyze the data . And AI gets a little sketchy . They don't want to tell you things because they think you're a serial killer perhaps .
Speaker 2Yeah , you're in a copycat .
Speaker 1It was like . You know don't try to make connections here because it could be just coincidence . I want to know what month we're most important , you know .
Speaker 2Well , I did see some information .
Speaker 1Oh , was it Pretty much May .
Speaker 2May . So if you have a May birthday , stay away . Yeah , please .
Speaker 1May . So if you have a May birthday , stay away . I do not , we're just kidding . I did see where somebody did a study about them left-handed ?
Speaker 2Are they left-handed ? That was Bond .
Speaker 3No , 20% of them were , but not enough to say , if you're left-handed , what I was going to say was it Samuel Little who would drive girls out in his car and he'd choke them and then , like , rape them and kill them ?
Speaker 1Probably , probably . Yeah , I think it was him . Sounds like a fun Saturday night there .
Speaker 2Samuel , don't go out with a Samuel .
Speaker 1No , born in May .
Speaker 2Born in May . Who's left-handed ? I think Sam . How about women ? I was surprised there was , so I watched the movie Monster .
Speaker 1About the woman .
Speaker 2About the woman . Her name was Eileen Carol Wernos , something like that .
Speaker 1She was born in Rochester .
Speaker 2Michigan . But she was a prostitute . But she was a prostitute . They called her a highway prostitute . She just roamed the highways . I bet you , there's different classes , I think what happened was her first one , at least , towards
Psychology of Serial Killers
Speaker 2the movie .
Speaker 3How did she not get killed ? She's a highway prostitute . She killed someone first .
Speaker 2Yeah , I think the first time she killed someone it wasn't self-defense . And then she was like well , I can make some money on this . You know , she didn't have any money , she was destitute . She had a girlfriend she was trying to support . So then I think she just started killing people , luring them and kind of doing it as a revenge . Yeah , yeah . So she started in self-defense Goal power . Yay , there was more than one woman too , which surprised me , but it's predominantly men . No surprise there . And why ? Why did they do it ?
Speaker 1They're sickos .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , but why are they sickos ?
Speaker 1They say it's because the common threads are trauma , childhood trauma . But , you know what ? There's a lot of people that have the same childhood trauma and they're not serial killers , Right .
Speaker 2Why are they , and why are they not ? That's true , but that can be a trigger .
Speaker 1Sure sure . Revenge , you know if you're the kid who gets bullied all the time or abused all the time yes , that's the ultimate , I guess one thing I learned from murder mystery , the adam sandler movie .
Speaker 3The three main motives are love , money and revenge .
Speaker 2True very true I think that even with uh , that counts for any murder , not just just a Another thing that .
Speaker 1IQ . Typically , folks think that they're so smart . They're not . They come from low IQ to high IQ . It's all in the middle , I think that .
Speaker 2Well , here's what I wrote down , the warning signs . First of all , they start . It's not uncommon for them to start out as arsonists .
Speaker 3Or they start off killing small things like animals .
Speaker 2Yes , torturing animals , he would kill his rats , that's the next one Poor family life , childhood abuse we talked about that Substance abuse , voyeurism and intelligence . They usually are intelligent in an IQ way , not in a real world way ?
Speaker 1Sure , Obviously . Well , yeah , some of these dudes are charming Like ladies love .
Speaker 2Ted Bundy , ted Bundy . There are people who say that they escaped from Ted Bundy because they didn't fall for his charms . Mm-hmm , and I looked at him and he's not that .
Speaker 3Maybe for the 70s he was charming , but I think also it's kind of like a turn off when you find out he's a serial killer .
Speaker 1No , some ladies like that .
Speaker 2Look at the people who wanted to marry while in jail . That's sick .
Speaker 1That's really strange .
Speaker 2It's weird .
Speaker 1I don't think that's normal how about Charles Manson .
Speaker 2Is he a serial killer ? He was on some of the lists .
Speaker 3I'm like I don't think so Well , he had people do it , though , yeah .
Speaker 1He didn't do it . He didn't do it . He did it , but he didn't do it . Yeah , he was the puppet master , he is . He's out of his mind . See a Charlie . What about , well ? Go ahead , jovi , jovi , joni .
Speaker 2Josie Jovi Okay .
Speaker 3Jeffrey Dahmer . He was a homosexual or bi or something , I don't know , but he was charming to men Like he would be like oh , let's go back to my apartment , you know .
Speaker 1and then take pictures of them and then , like , chop their heads off and do things to it . It's not good , wayne Williams was the child murderer in Atlanta . Oh yeah , he killed at least 23 of the 30 Atlanta child murder cases he was connected to , but he was only convicted on two counts . Only Was it enough to set him up the river forever Yep , what about the BTK killer ? There's been a lot of stuff about that guy , dennis Rader .
Speaker 2What about him ?
Speaker 1He murdered 10 people .
Speaker 2How did he get the initials ?
Speaker 1Bind torture kill .
Speaker 2Oh , because as a serial killer , you can't say those words .
Speaker 1He started supposedly .
Speaker 2I'm going to make up what's it called an acronym . Is it an acronym ?
Speaker 1He started in 74 and he didn't get caught until 91 .
Speaker 2Damn . So he probably killed a lot of people .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , 10 is what it says there are probably more .
Speaker 3Yeah , no matter what it says , there's probably more . Oh true .
Speaker 1That's true . Child rapist and cannibal , oh , albert Fish , from 1924 to 1932 . Wow , and then the guy Richard Chase , they called him the Vampire of Sacramento . He was only one year that they could find he murdered six people and he did nasty things to the corpses and ate them and drank the blood , things of that nature . Well , that they could find he murdered six people and he did nasty things to the corpses and ate them and drank the blood , things of that nature .
Speaker 3Well , that's always comforting .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's weird .
Speaker 1I mean there's a lot of them and I guess I probably shouldn't give you guys any and everybody has .
Speaker 2You know , it sounds , I don't know , bad maybe , but all the serial killers seem to have a gimmick . Everybody's got a gimmick A . All the serial killers seem to have a gimmick . Everybody's got a gimmick A shtick . Yeah , you got a shtick .
Speaker 1You got initials , you got a vampire , you got the Zodiac Killer .
Speaker 2You got the Zodiac Killer . I tried to watch that movie but I couldn't .
Speaker 1Is that the one with Jake Gyllenhaal ?
Speaker 2Yes , he is yeah .
Speaker 1Ladies seem to like Jake Gyllenhaal .
Speaker 3Is he ugly ?
Speaker 1What Donnie Darko ?
Speaker 3Oh no , he's hot .
Speaker 2See the ladies love him .
Speaker 3I didn't know that was his name .
Speaker 1Wait , what's the other one , october Sky . He's been in a lot of movies .
Speaker 2Yeah , he's in a lot of movies . He's not a serial killer , just to clarify . He plays one in the movie .
Speaker 1He plays it pretty well . He did a great job . He's like the .
Speaker 3Joker , who played his role for so long , he actually went insane .
Speaker 1Heath Ledger .
Speaker 2I think he had some stuff going on he had some drugs going on . Too bad too . He was great . I don't know if he ever played a serial killer , but no , what else you got there ? I have fast fives for us , but I don't know how we're doing on time , because you have your paper over your phone .
Speaker 1Oh no , Did I even start recording ? I did . We have 13 minutes left .
Speaker 2Oh , we got lots of time All right .
Speaker 1Do we have any Ballyhoos ? Shout outs .
Speaker 2I do not Anything you want to say . Thanks , world .
Speaker 1Thanks , world Jovi , you want to do a shout out to anybody ?
Speaker 2No , no , no , I guess that face is saying no .
Speaker 3Shout out to all the serial killers that are listening to this yeah , we'll get you .
Speaker 2We will catch you right now . Call in , yeah , call in , just .
Speaker 1Scotty , get on the phone .
Speaker 2You can email us at heroordick2023 at gmail and confess and we'll take care of you .
Speaker 1Yep .
Speaker 2Don't think we won't . We'll have you as a guest , oh speaking of and we'll take care of you . Yep , yeah , don't think we won't . We'll have you as a guest .
Speaker 1We'll have you as a guest . Yeah , oh , speaking of she thought horribly that Brooke , my lovely bride that I mentioned once in a while on an episode .
Speaker 2Every episode .
Speaker 1She thought but warranted . Asked if we were murderers yesterday . Oh , yesterday , okay .
Speaker 3Well , here's out on a trail that led to a water .
Speaker 1The nature preserve over there , oh yeah .
Speaker 3And I was tying my shoes , putting my shoes back on over at a rock , and all I heard Dad say was , yeah , and finding bodies . And I was like , if you guys are serial killers , murderers .
Speaker 1just tell me , just tell me . I don't think that's what I said . I said I think I have to go potty .
Speaker 3No , you didn't . You said finding bodies .
Speaker 1And that was ketchup on my shirt , and we always take a shovel wherever we go .
Speaker 3I guess it's normal for my dad to carry heavy tarps around his shoulder .
Speaker 2Don't say stuff like that Rugs , in case you're going to roll up a body . Good lord Lie .
Speaker 1No , we shouldn't joke about this , we're not joking yeah . I'm joking . We do everything at tongue in cheek , but it's terrible .
Speaker 2It's horrible . Don't be a serial killer .
Speaker 1No , stop it . If you're a serial killer right now , just stop it , stop it .
Conversations on Movies and TV Shows
Speaker 2Can we actually inspire someone to be a serial killer ?
Speaker 1No , we're not going to inspire anybody ? They're already going to do it . No , we're not going to inspire anybody . They're already going to do it . No , we really don't . Speaking of inspirational things , though , what about some movies based on serial ?
Speaker 2killers . Well , I have fast five for you .
Speaker 1Well , let's do it and get it going .
Speaker 2Okay , so there are movies and TV shows about serial killers , which there's a shit ton of them , shit ton . How about ? I don't know this one , but I'm hoping you guys do . It's on TV , mindhunter .
Speaker 1Say it one more time Mindhunter .
Speaker 2Why can't ?
Speaker 1I say that , no , I liked it . I liked it . I don't watch it .
Speaker 2I can't say it . Mindhunter .
Speaker 1What's that ? Simulants .
Speaker 2Simulants .
Speaker 1That too , syphilis .
Speaker 2Syphilis . Don't say that that wasn't a story .
Speaker 1I'm reading Syphilis .
Speaker 2That wasn't a story I'm reading .
Speaker 1Syphilis .
Speaker 2Yeah , what are you reading ? No we don't know this one . I don't know it , but it's supposed to be great .
Speaker 1Mind Hunter .
Speaker 2Yes , it's all one word .
Speaker 1Is it ?
Speaker 2on CBS ? I don't know .
Speaker 1Let's talk like that the rest of the episode . What do you say , Dan ?
Speaker 2I think it might be a British show , though , is it ? Yeah ?
Speaker 1Oh , I don't like those , you love the Brits . I do . I don't dislike the Brits but I can't understand what they're saying .
Speaker 2I like their shows .
Speaker 1Wait , I watch everything with captions now . Well , the thing is .
Speaker 2So do I .
Speaker 3It's a love-hate relationship for me , because some of them are fine , but also , why can't you afford dental care ?
Speaker 1Oh my god , you can't say that . Well , they have .
Speaker 2Universal now .
Speaker 1Are you an anti-dentite ?
Speaker 2It's not as bad as the , as the Movies yeah , it's not like Austin Powers .
Speaker 1That's not real . I do too .
Speaker 2But his teeth aren't real .
Speaker 1Okay , go back , mindhunter . How about Never heard of it ?
Speaker 2I have not watched it , I'm going to ? Okay , yeah , we're going to watch it and report back . How about the movie Seven ?
Speaker 1Holy shit .
Speaker 2It's a good one .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's really good , mr Bradley .
Speaker 2Pitt yeah , he's an attractive man . He is an attractive man . He plays one of his best roles in that , I think .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's insane , and isn't Edward Norton ? No , I'm thinking of Fight Club .
Speaker 2No , you're thinking of Fight Club , but no .
Speaker 1Morgan Morgan Freeman .
Speaker 2What else is in there ? I don't have to look , I can't remember .
Speaker 1It doesn't matter , it was a good movie , I just saw Brad Pitt , that's all , and it was a Kevin Spacey . What's going on right now ?
Speaker 2Let's just name a bunch of people .
Speaker 1Was Bill Cosby in that movie , just kidding .
Speaker 2But it is a great movie and you have to watch it more than once .
Speaker 3Yes , Because it's a little complicated .
Speaker 2Okay , here's one . You guys know Dexter .
Speaker 1Oh , man , of course Don't even .
Speaker 2Probably the classic TV show about a serial killer , because you know , it's serial killer , and then he's got the big twist . And then every show there's a nice other little twist in there .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's one of my all-time favorite shows . It was so creative . The reboot started out okay , but then that son thing I was done with it , then you know they jumped the shark . Yeah , yeah , fonzie , yeah , took that motorcycle out and jumped the shark .
Speaker 2No , no , he was on water skis .
Speaker 1That too .
Speaker 2He jumped the shark , and that's where the show ended .
Speaker 1He jumped stuff with that motorcycle , that's where the show ended . Speaking of Henry Winkler . Yeah , I love him , I'm going off topic because I do that he was on one of the latest episodes of Smartless . The one that shall not be named is one of the hosts .
Speaker 2He is great .
Speaker 1He is oddly positive , caring . I mean , if you could be like him for one day . I don't know if somebody could do it . It seems like he's like that all the time , Just a genuine dude , Like nice guy .
Speaker 2I love him . We should all love him .
Speaker 1Shout out to Henry Winkler hey . Henry , you're welcome on the show .
Speaker 2Henry , good job . We should all be like you . You think he'd do the show , probably because he's a nice guy . Do you have his number ? Yeah , or his email or something . I got it All right , get a hold of them . All right , we will do a whole show on Henry Winkler .
Speaker 1Jovi , what'd you have to say ?
Speaker 3A good show is the Watcher , the Watcher .
Speaker 1Is that a murder show ?
Speaker 3It's the one you and mom watched about the letters to the house .
Speaker 1Oh , that is a good show . I don't know if it's still on Netflix .
Speaker 3It's a Netflix original .
Speaker 1It's really bizarre .
Speaker 3Okay , it's very bizarre . The Watcher it seems so predictable , but the next thing .
Speaker 2You know it's a twist . I love that . How about this movie ? I don't know if you guys have seen American Psycho . Oh , shut up . That's a big yes . Oh , disgusting .
Speaker 1Disgusting movie .
Speaker 3I watched that with oh my gosh . You shouldn't be watching this stuff . I watched all this again , though .
Speaker 1Yeah , see the custody . You shouldn't be watching this stuff . I watched all this in Kendall . That seemed a custody battle . This is what happens . Oh my God . One parent gets them and lets them do everything and I'm trying to run a tight ship .
Speaker 2You can watch whatever you want .
Speaker 1Yeah , that was a disturbing show . It was very disturbing , my son was watching it the other night .
Speaker 2Really yeah , wait a minute , he's left-handed and was born in May .
Speaker 3I know it's for the show , it's because Julian came out of the shower and he had his hair slipped back and I told him he looked like Patrick Bateman .
Speaker 1He should have never done that .
Speaker 3He was like what's that ? And I was like it's from American Psycho . He's like , okay , I'm going to go watch it .
Speaker 1And he did .
Speaker 2Where is he right now ?
Speaker 1We don't know yeah , we don't know . Buying drill .
Speaker 3He's watching Better Call Saul in his boat dockhouse .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , don't , don't , can't give up the secrets .
Speaker 2So , and we can't forget the classic movie and TV show of Silence of the Lambs , Hannibal .
Speaker 1Disgusting as well . Good one , though , silence of the Lambs movie was a great movie .
Speaker 2Well , somebody wrecked it . Who wrecked it ? Somebody keeps mentioning it . Who wrecked it ? Somebody keeps mentioning it .
Speaker 1Oh , and then the TV show is .
Speaker 2Hannibal .
Speaker 1Which I've never watched . A TV show , I haven't either .
Speaker 2The movie was disturbingly .
Speaker 1Jodie Foster .
Speaker 2What's that guy's name ?
Speaker 1Anthony Hopkins .
Speaker 2Sir oh .
Speaker 1We got the buzz back .
Speaker 2You got too excited over Anthony Hopkins .
Speaker 1I got so excited about Sir Anthony Hopkins that I jacked my mic , and now it's buzzing . There we go , now we're back .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 1Oh , the buzzing's there . I'm sorry everybody , you might not be able to hear it .
Speaker 2Okay , that's the five movies and TV shows I have . Was there any others that ? You wanted to add to that . Did we talk about .
Speaker 1Zodiac .
Speaker 2Well , you're just making it worse .
Speaker 1I'm sorry , zodiac , did you watch that one ?
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1A long time ago . Oh , you talked about it Jake Gyllenhaal and then Monster .
Speaker 2Yep , well , I started watching it .
Speaker 1Seven .
Speaker 2Seven Love it .
Speaker 1And I couldn't find a whole lot of books . I wanted to find more about Chicks that Kill , and I couldn't find it .
Speaker 2About chicks . What are you laughing at ? There's a couple other ones .
Speaker 1What Chicks that Kill ?
Speaker 2No , no no , no , that sounds like a good movie though .
Speaker 3Is that ?
Speaker 2a movie I would watch that .
Speaker 3But anyway , a good TV show that my parents can't stand because they have a weak stomach is Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix , the one I watched .
Speaker 2The what you ever watch , that I have not , but . I think the last time you were here , we were talking about it .
Speaker 1I think I also said one of the funniest scenes ever I've ever seen in a show is when that guy is looking at a bookcase . They're going over to someone's house a Nazi to murder him , and they don't know he's a Nazi , right . And he's looking at this bookcase and all along the bookcase are these Nazi memorabilia , swastikas , terrible things . He's like look at this . What the Wow ? Isn't this woodwork beautiful ? He's looking at them and pretty soon , all of a sudden , he goes what the fuck is that ? But wow , that one scene .
Speaker 3It's so funny . It's so funny , but then all of a sudden , like you see blood everywhere . It's really good , so go look at it .
Speaker 1What's that one called ?
Speaker 3Santa Clarita Diet .
Speaker 2Okay , because there's another one where Al Pacino's in it and it was on Netflix I can't think of the name of it and they had a group of people that they got together I can't think of the name of it and they had a group of people that they got together and it was like in the 70s and they'd find Nazis were hiding out and they'd kill them .
Speaker 1Oh no , this is funny actually .
Speaker 2It's serious . What that didn't sound funny to you .
Speaker 1I'm sorry it kind of does . Oh Christ , all right , we have a few minutes left so we can talk about whatever . Oh Christ , all right , we have a few minutes left so we can talk about whatever . Oh , what do we say ? Hero or dick on serial killers .
Speaker 2Oh , my God Hero .
Speaker 1Don't say that .
Speaker 2I'm kidding . Well , of course they're dicks .
Speaker 1Dick .
Speaker 2But they do give us some good movies and TV shows , they're still dicks .
Speaker 1And it's fascinating . Unfortunately , I know , just like Dateline mbc or forensic files sucked into those what is it ?
Speaker 2uh , what's the channel I e , or ? I id yeah yeah , it's like well , I'll just watch this one , and then three days later you're like oh my god , we're all gonna die because my neighbors are all murderers how many many are around .
Speaker 1They say that any time there can be dozens walking around , right , you know what it wasn't serial killers , but this scary statistic said .
Speaker 2it has been said that the average person can unknowingly walk past 36 murderers in their lifetime . That's too many , not serial killers but murderers still . That makes it so Not serial killers , but murderers still .
Speaker 3That makes it so much better .
Speaker 2I know .
Speaker 1That's messed up .
Speaker 2Then it wasn't as scary when it's just , oh just , murderers . You only killed one person .
Speaker 1So then you add in molesters , murderers and all the other nasties , oh my God , everybody's horrible . Except that person on the motorcycle . Yeah , he's pretty cool .
Speaker 3He's a murderer , especially since he was riding without a helmet . He seems so awesome .
Speaker 2He's going to kill himself .
Speaker 1Organ donor .
Speaker 2All right . So what do you say , Jovi ?
Speaker 3Oh dick obviously .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , we got one minute left . So do you want to reflect on anything ? Do we want to talk about our journey in life ? Have you been doing some more welding ?
Speaker 2I have not welded lately . Probably in the fall I'll get back into it .
Speaker 1Let's give that guy a Ballyhoo or a shout out .
Speaker 2Oh , yeah , hey , Tom Moran Tom .
Speaker 1Moran .
Speaker 2Thank you for teaching me welding . I love it . It's going to be my lifelong hobby there you go . And I made some beautiful things .
Speaker 1Yeah , you did .
Speaker 2I did .
Speaker 1I saw some of them . Oh , I showed Jovi some pictures too . But yeah , this dude's multi-talented , he educates people . He's got a nice business going up there in Onaway .
Speaker 2He made a beautiful sculpture for the Onaway 4th of July parade and it will permanently be located on the corner of 23 and Johnson . Probably by September , I think , they'll have it set so you can see it there .
Speaker 1And I actually went to Northwood University for my son's orientation and I sent Kate a picture . I was walking around in their little courtyard and there was a nice sculpture he had done and donated there .
Speaker 2So that was really cool . Yeah , we're all over .
Speaker 1And one more thing , because I want to try to talk about people in the community in a positive way .
Speaker 2Yes , not in a serial killer kind of way .
Speaker 1But this guy . I needed some concrete work done and I contacted at least six places . One of them emailed me back because they found it in their junk mail . Nobody called me back , even when I called and asked them to call me back . But this guy I got from word of mouth . His name is Mike Mullaney and he has his own Mullaney excavating in concrete or masonry . I'm sorry and I'll tell you what top notch Showed up when he said he was going to show up , got the work done when he said he was going to get it done and he followed up afterwards , which was really cool .
Speaker 2And what's his name ?
Speaker 1again Mike Mullaney .
Speaker 2Thank you , Mike Mullaney . I saw the truck saw parked in front of your house , I remember like .
Speaker 1He was burying the bodies for me , putting the concrete over it .
Speaker 2So he dug up the bodies , got rid of them .
Speaker 3Even like you had just told me that we were going to get it done finally . And I look out the window and they had already started on it and they finished it in a couple days .
Speaker 1So if you're looking for , work of that nature . There's just a few dudes doing it Three guys , because it's hard to find good service these days .
Speaker 2It's true and it matters . I want to give Chris a shout out .
Speaker 1Oh boy , we're really giving everybody a shout out , chris down at Alpena Auto Care , car Care sorry , over around the corner of Washington and Ripley .
Speaker 3Oh , okay , what was that ? I'm getting my brakes done .
Speaker 1Brakes and a wheel bearing .
Speaker 3Yeah , and we were going to take my car down to Sheboygan and actually get it done . At what , cornelius the Toyota ?
Speaker 1Yeah , oh , don't knock them , I'm not dealership , they know that they're .
Speaker 3They didn't order my stuff on time so they canceled our appointment and we told Chris and he ordered the stuff from my Like the parts from my car , like a week in advance before the appointment .
Speaker 1Well , and I do want to clarify For Nelia , it's been good to us . I bought several cars , but what happened was their mechanic , apparently the only one that could work on that car . His wife had a baby , so everything that we've got pushed out , but still you should have other people to do the work .
Speaker 2It would be nice but , as you just said , good help is hard to find .
Speaker 1Exactly so . I don't want to knock them and I've been trying to buy a GR Supra from them for about four years and they can't hook me up .
Speaker 2Okay , well , congratulations on the baby .
Speaker 1Yeah , congratulations on the baby , but good job to Chris down there .
Speaker 2Thank you .
Speaker 3Chris .
Speaker 1And we don't have any sponsors . Thank you .
Speaker 3Cornelius Mechanic , I mean not . Thank you , congratulations .
Speaker 2Yeah , there you go .
Speaker 3Congratulations , yes .
Speaker 2Having a baby Anyway well , we should probably wrap it up before we get sued . All right , Thanks everybody .
Speaker 1Thank you .
Speaker 2Talk to you next time .
Speaker 1You want to say goodbye , Josie .
Speaker 2Jody .
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