Hero or Dick
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Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 3 - Vacations
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Vacations can be both exhilarating and exhausting—offering joy, connection, and adventure while testing patience, planning skills, and expectations. In this episode, we dive into the highs and lows of travel, sharing personal stories of unexpected encounters, unforgettable moments, and the eternal debate between staycations and jet-setting. Listeners weigh in on their dream destinations, and we reflect on whether the best part of a trip is where you go or who you experience it with. Packed with humor, nostalgia, and a few travel mishaps, this episode is a reminder that sometimes the journey matters more than the destination.
Thanks for listening!
~ Kate & KJ
Vacations and Random Stories
Speaker 1Not really , yep .
Speaker 2Recording .
Speaker 1We're recording . Oh , how about that ? Welcome ?
Speaker 2We had some technical difficulties last week , a little bit through the week , but we're back .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's good , because our topic last time would have been the male reproductive system , and instead of doing that , we decided we're going to talk about gonads .
Speaker 2Okay , hero or dick , we're not . Gonads Okay , hero or dick , we're not .
Speaker 1Gonads . No hero or dick . What is that on that Gonads ?
Speaker 2I don't know , I didn't study that much . I remember that term from junior high .
Speaker 1I remember it from biology , because didn't fish have gonads ?
Speaker 2I don't know , somebody's got gonads and it was hilarious in junior high . Oh , I don't know if somebody's got gonads in them . It was hilarious in junior high , oh God .
Speaker 1And it's still kind of funny . It is really funny .
Speaker 2So welcome to Season 3 , Episode 3 .
Speaker 1Of Hero or Dick , and the topic is not gonads , no , it's not , but it could be . Yeah , nervously , I keep looking at our recording to make sure that it's still going .
Speaker 2It's going , it looks like it's going .
Speaker 1We looking at our recording to make sure that it's still going . It's going , it looks like it's going . We have a new thing we're using . Well , we'll check it . Well , what's happened is we've had to lay off some staff members because of these tariffs .
Speaker 2It's fucking driving us crazy .
Speaker 1Yeah , and then the immigration's killing us too , there goes food service it's not good f you yeah no more canadian whiskey , kate usually sipping on a little canadian whiskey no , no , none for me .
Speaker 2Now we're done but our real topic today is a good one vacations , vacations , yeah , yeah , I like vacations you do , you do it a lot I , I tried to .
Speaker 1I don't even think I actually need to speak much during this .
Speaker 2No , if you don't have a job if you are retired , like I am . Are you going on vacation , Because you're kind of always on vacation .
Speaker 1Every day is a vacation .
Speaker 2It is .
Speaker 1No , you're going somewhere .
Speaker 2Well , I did go somewhere .
Speaker 1You do all the time .
Speaker 2Recently I went to Puerto Rico , Puerto .
Speaker 1Rico , puerto Rico .
Speaker 2That was a vacation . That was a fun vacation .
Speaker 1It was , I didn't know Was it . I don't remember you being there . You were supposed to scout some property for me , though .
Speaker 2I scouted some property and it wasn't as inexpensive as I wanted it to be . You've got to go further away , I guess . But you further away , I guess . But you don't need a passport to go to puerto rico . No , you can just go there .
Speaker 1It's commonwealth of the us . Everything's going to be a commonwealth of the united states . Sorry , I keep going back to it . I can't wait , that's all a commonwealth canada it's just a commonwealth , sunny , sunny gaza . That's where I'm going to go for vacation . Oh , what's weird . You can even clean that up .
Speaker 2I'm still not going .
Speaker 2Yeah , so uh now tell me about your trip um , our trip was good overall the beautiful country , beautiful beaches . We stayed in old san juan for a few days . It's very pretty there , nice beaches , beaches there too , lots of restaurants and there's lots and lots of hotels and there's lots and lots of cruise ships coming in there Lots . How'd you like that ? Well , I didn't like it because we were the only people Not the only people , but there wasn't that many people down in Old San Juan , and then four cruise ships came out it was like this influx of people , but I'm sure Old San Juan likes it .
Speaker 1Sure , they do .
Speaker 2Because those people come and they go to your restaurant and they buy the souvenirs and , yeah , they spend some money there .
Speaker 1Not pennies anymore , though .
Speaker 2No , but I'm down with that .
Speaker 1Because they're banning those things . I'm okay , that's it should have done that long time ago and a Canada got rid of pennies a long time ago no one's gonna even have paper money or coins eventually why do you need it ? Why I'm looking at I'm sending you a payment right now . Bleep , I just sent it to you .
Speaker 2With a blink of your eye , with a blink of my eye . That's what it's going to be .
Speaker 1That's why you've got to get more into Crypto Kid Okay .
Speaker 2That's a different topic . I know we didn't do that , yet Didn't we .
Speaker 1No , we need to . You have some interesting stories about your trip , though .
Speaker 2Which one ?
Speaker 1I've forgotten them all I remember One is you kind of went to the old haunts because you used to live there . Right , and then the other one wait , wait , I want to get my . It's a dual question topic , and the other one was you crashed someone's 60th party . We did that was so fun .
Speaker 2So we stayed in Old San Juan for like three or four days , and then we went across the island to the old Ramey Air Force Base , where I was living when I was in second , third and fourth grade , so I got to go to my old house . I was too chicken to go up to the door and knock on the door , though , but I got to see it and it's still there , and my old school is there , and a lot . Even though it's 50 years later , a lot of things are the same , so that was kind of fun , and I got to take my family to oh , here's this beach that we used to go to . There were some ruins there .
Speaker 2We we did many field trips there , and when we were there , we were picking up pottery and all kinds of artifacts , and I'm sure it's picked clean by now , but , um , and the people uh , most of the people there were very kind and very welcoming , and almost everyone speaks english and spanish . So , right there , I give them kudos . I only speak the one language not very well . So , um , one night , though , we went to a restaurant and we were seated in a room where a woman was having a 60th birthday party , and they graciously let us be part of that party , and she was very kind to us we bought her a drink .
Speaker 1What was her name ?
Speaker 2again , monique Monique , I know , yeah , monique Monique , and she looks great too . She does not look like she's 60 years old , she's going to like that when she hears this . Well , I don't know that she will .
Speaker 1I neglected to tell her . I thought you told everybody .
Speaker 2No , you know , we need stickers or something we need a lot of stuff . Yeah , but Monique and her family were very kind , gave us cake and welcomed us into their party , so thanks .
Speaker 1Monique , there was another cake thing , wasn't there ? Or is that the only cake thing ?
Speaker 2It's the only cake I had . I had a lot of creme brulee there and I have I like . Everywhere I go , I like to have creme brulee . And I want to give a shout out to the Polish Corner in Alpena , michigan , because they have , if not the best top five easy .
Speaker 1Really .
Speaker 2Their creme brulee is outstanding . That's good to hear that place is doing all right . Yeah , we went there friday night for dinner . It was wonderful , yeah I like eating there .
Speaker 1I don't like waiting for my food there , because sometimes it's a long time oh , or has it been better ?
Speaker 2it's been better .
Speaker 1I think I'm not complaining , I know , I think they , I think they make you know when they actually make it .
Speaker 2They're not pulling out of the gordon food no , no , it doesn't taste like it anyway , no , and I think well , a lot of their meat and stuff is from the wiki , so yeah , it was very well .
Speaker 1It's the same owners .
Speaker 2Yeah I think so , yeah , so they had great creme brulee , which brings me to my creme brulee in puerto rico . I had lime creme brulee and it was .
Speaker 1I don't even know what that is is the best what's creme brulee ?
Speaker 2it is like a custard in a dish and then they blow torch the top of caramel and some sugar on the top , and then they blow , torch it , so it's hard like a ice skating rink , oh , and then you crack through that to get to the magic show oh my gosh , you like magic , magic shell .
Speaker 1I do like magic shell . Do you use a torch in your kitchen ?
Speaker 2I do not , you ever thought about it .
Speaker 1No , I've been thinking about it a lot .
Speaker 2What do you need ? A torch for Whatever you need to make creme brulee then if you have a torch , I never did make the lemon cake I was supposed to make three months ago .
Speaker 1I've been watching that Hell's Kitchen three months ago . But I've been watching that Hell's Kitchen . Yeah , they're always torturing shit . Yeah , looks fun .
Speaker 2We went to Cassidy and I went to a Gordon Ramsay restaurant Before he was really famous . He was famous .
Speaker 1Famous enough to have a couple restaurants .
Speaker 2He was famous enough to have a few restaurants in London and we went to one and it was one of the best meals I ever had . It was very , very good . Are we recording ?
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 2So back to vacations . Spokassany and I were on vacation . That was a great day .
Speaker 1Wait , where were you again ?
Speaker 2We were in London and we went there for a lovely meal and actually our I guess it was the main course was taking a little while , so they brought us out some homemade ice cream and strawberries here . This is taking a little while , so they brought us out some homemade ice cream and strawberries here this is taking a long time here .
Speaker 1Have this , that's okay , yeah , yeah . Why don't places do that ?
Speaker 2I don't know , but they did it and it was the lovely
Dream Vacation Destinations
Speaker 2, lovely meal . And then , cassidy , remember we went to that waterstone five-story bookstore and books are not a good souvenir to buy , because they're very heavy , sure , but we still buy them because we're book people . I love books too , yeah , so that was a great day . Then it was pouring rain , so we went back to our hotel , snuggled in the bed and she had the pullout and we watched hours of British soap operas . It was the greatest day ever no , that was your favorite trip .
Speaker 1Wasn't one of your favorites when you and cassidy went ?
Speaker 2yeah , sure , yeah , we have a good time together . We travel well together . I think , um , and probably my favorite trip is when I retired and went there and was there for a while , like three weeks . We were yeah , you were gone a while . Like three weeks we were there .
Speaker 1Yeah , you were gone a while . We were podcasting then weren't we . I think we were .
Speaker 2We've been doing this for ten years . Ten years , I guess , only .
Speaker 1Three .
Speaker 2Three , no two . Two we were on season three , though I don't figure that one . We were just making sure I don't know .
Speaker 1Well , we did we did .
Speaker 2Yeah , so he's the first kill me , but yeah he's talking about us on our walk before this was she ? Brooke is my lovely wife , you know her she's beautiful .
Speaker 1Oh , we love the coasters , by the way . Oh good , kate brought us back some gifts from puerto rico no rum , no , sorry , she would have been you don't want rum . She might want a rum , I would like rum for her . Terrible , anyway . What was I saying ? Oh , she was saying that she's pretty impressive that you and I have been doing this for as long as we have .
Speaker 2She's surprised . I said , well , we enjoy it . Yeah , nobody's listening , that's okay , that's why I like it . I think , yeah , what if we had 10,000 people listening ? It would be kind of Pressure . We couldn't say gonads . What I hope we would , I don't know you think they'd still let us call it hero or dick . Who's they ? Who's going to stop ?
Speaker 1us .
Speaker 2The 10,000 . No , that's why they're listening . Nobody's stopping us , they want to hear gonad .
Speaker 1So anyway , you went to London with Cassidy . You've been there a few times .
Speaker 2Yeah , three or four times . Yeah , three or four times . Yeah , I like it there . And then it's Cassidy's favorite . I polled some people and Cassidy said London is her favorite place to go . I agree , but there are some other places I want to go to . She also had Buenos Aires , but she said there's always political unrest , Excuse me .
Speaker 1So yeah , what else you got ? I know you've talked to quite a few people .
Speaker 2Well , and some people go to you know the same place every time and there's no shame in that . I mean , if you have a cottage , that's your vacation , boom go to the cottage .
Speaker 1But like if you go to the same great wolf lodge every year .
Speaker 2Oh , that would be horrible in my book , but some people would love it for some people in their vacation is the alpena county fair . They pull up a camper and oh boy , that sounds horrible too you're terrible .
Speaker 1Oh , you know what I mean . I mean it all depends on the person . It depends .
Speaker 2Some people would love that .
Speaker 1Yeah , most .
Speaker 2I'd put the best vacation London , london , london Also . I went to Colorado once and my girlfriend arranged everything . All I had to do was show up . That's nice and that was one of the best vacations . We went and visited . My sister lives out there in Jefferson .
Speaker 1Where's that ?
Speaker 2It's up in the mountains .
Speaker 1How far from Denver ?
Speaker 2Two hours maybe , I don't know , because I wasn't the organizer . I just sat in the car and drank .
Speaker 1Hey , that's cool though . Yeah , it was great , jesus Christ Not really it's okay if you did I mean I did , I would have .
Speaker 2Don't tell anybody , I wouldn't . You know , for the worst vacation I wrote an in-law vacation . I don't think my in-laws are listening , so that's okay and we have vacationed with them and visited them , and it's fine . We go and do our stuff and then spend a few days with them .
Speaker 1They're in Arizona .
Speaker 2Yeah , a beautiful state , really Spent a few days with them . They're in Arizona . Yeah , a beautiful state , really beautiful . Huh , not yeah , but it's not like I thought it was going to be all desert . It is not Okay . It's got mountains , it's got water . It was very impressive . I liked Arizona . I've been there like two or three times and I'm ready to go somewhere else . Now , though , and some people I did write to them some people like a staycation , they like to just stay home . They , you know , take a vacation from work , but you're not going anywhere . I don't know . I like to go somewhere , I guess , but some people like to stay .
Speaker 1Like you're like , oh , I'm going to eat my favorite foods this few days .
Speaker 2I'm going to sleep in Watch my movies .
Speaker 1You kind of have to have this vacation alone , probably Away from your family .
Speaker 2Well , your family can be there Maybe .
Speaker 1I mean , I would love it , of course , but most people would maybe like being alone , like my wife . Sometimes that's a vacation to take a vacation from those that you love . She wants to go to the big apple . Uh , I don't . I've been there , it's fine , I like it's cool . But I said you know what , take jovi on spring break . Oh , I'll stay home and watch the dogs and what is ?
Speaker 2what's are they gonna do ?
Speaker 1it . I don't know she's , she's hemming and hawing , but I keep trying to encourage her . Go do it . You and Jovi can go have fun for a few days and then when she gets back , I'll take Jovi on a trip a little train trip .
Speaker 2Man Jovi is one lucky kid yeah . Poor Julian's at school , yeah sorry , but he's going to Ecuador , oh .
Speaker 1Spring break .
Speaker 2Wow , when's that ? February Well it says February , march , march .
Speaker 1Yeah , so what are some other polls ? You took a poll there . I want to hear some more .
Speaker 2So I asked people what's your dream trip ? And Jennifer told me her dream trip is a whole month on the coast of Maine in the fall .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I like that . I said I'm there , I will come and visit you . Take some Stephen King novels with you . She loves stephen king . I do love stephen king too , um beth said . First she said national parks in utah , and then she texted me back , but and or on alaskan cruise . And then she texted me back or caribbean , all inclusive on a beach . I can just lay around . And I finally texted her and said you just want to get away , don't you ? She said yeah , I'll go anywhere . Harley told me she was the one that was . She wasn't a big travel person . She said I just now I'm getting back into traveling . It was , I don't know why . She didn't like it , but it wasn't fun for her . So she didn't want to travel , but she liked staying home when she had time off .
Speaker 1So she's a staycationer .
Speaker 2She was a staycationer but now her dream trip is the Scandinavian cruise . And she said she's new to loving travel . And then her guy , corey , said vacation is a state of mind .
Speaker 1Oh , yes , I like that .
Speaker 2I liked that too , corey . Good job , Every day is a vacation if you have the right state of mind , I guess , if you can close your eyes and go somewhere or just relax . Lori Faber said Norway or Prince Edward Island and Tahiti . Those are her bucket lists . That's a wide range . That's the range I like , that she's traveling the world Greg best , greg said Cuba .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , and .
Speaker 2I just read that Cuba's having some electrical problems and supply problems . So don't go there now , greg . No , hold off Greg . Problems and supply problems , so don't go there now . No , no , hold off greg . Jay jay's is so specifically planned out .
Speaker 1I think he might be leaving like next week .
Speaker 2Only he has a newborn . Um , he said his dream vacation would be a couple's week in australia during ashes , which is a big cricket match between australia and the uk at christmas time . You would also go fishing there too . That's nice , yeah that is specific .
Speaker 1It is very specific . It's good to know what you want to do yeah , yeah it's a goal to work towards right .
Speaker 2Leanne chose hawaii , one she already did . She did a cruise and they went to four of the islands . She said that was wonderful and beautiful . Suzanne said it's more about who is with me than where I am going . Man , you've got some cool friends . Oh my God , that was so deep .
Speaker 1They're better people than we are , aren't they ?
Speaker 2Well , they're friends with me , so right there .
Speaker 2Jenna said Bermuda , because she said they don't have big cars , they only have mini cars and scooters and mopeds , and she thought that would be kind of fun . Yeah , I like that too . And she thought more of the cities , although I think they're going to nyc too on their spring break . But she , when we went , she came to Puerto Rico with us and she said she enjoyed the beaches more than she thought she would . You know , you don't have to be laying out in the sun to enjoy a beach . You know , yes , you can swim , but I liked people watching at the beach . That was fun . Read a book , hang gliders everywhere . Oh my God , they're so amazing . I could watch them . I did watch them for hours .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Hours at a time . There's surfers too , but there was more hang gliders where we were Not . Hang gliders Parasailing , Parasailing . Thank you .
Speaker 1Did you want to do it ?
Speaker 2No , no , thanks . Just watch them . Just watch them from afar . Marcy said dolphins and Ireland , but we decided she couldn't have both in the same one , unless she goes to an aquarium . Unless she goes to the aquarium in Ireland . Two separate vacations , ireland . Now here's the best one . Tom , my friend Tom Moran , said that his dream vacation is always the next vacation . Geez , there goes another one . I know isn't that deep . Mm-hmm , and it's the experience more than the destination . Mm-hmm , I get that Wow .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , I liked that answer .
Dream Vacation Destinations and Anecdotes
Speaker 2What's your dream vacation ?
Speaker 1I don't know now .
Speaker 2You have many to choose from .
Speaker 1I'm trying to be happy here right now , in this moment .
Speaker 2Okay , are you going on vacation right now ?
Speaker 1I went on vacation Friday and took a day off .
Speaker 2Oh , did you . You went to Petoskey , gaylord , to get a windshield replaced in my wife's car .
Speaker 1That was my day off , and then I did some work on the investment property . But no , I'd like to go somewhere .
Speaker 2Name place , I'll go . I think my dream vacation and , mind you , this is just a dream . I would like to go to Spain , but I would like to go alone , and not because I don't like people and I have a lot of people to travel with but .
Speaker 1Are you going to run with the bulls ?
Speaker 2No , oh , I think that's horrible .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I would watch it if it was happening , but Sure no . I just think that is a country that I would like to explore Alone , alone .
Speaker 1I mean there'll be other people in Spain , but Well , yeah , you're probably not going to get the whole country to yourself .
Speaker 2I'm not going to get the whole country to myself , but just to see if I can do it .
Speaker 1I want to hit some places in the States .
Speaker 2There's so many cool places I mentioned .
Speaker 1Denver . I'd like to get to Hawaii , northern California , maine .
Speaker 2Anywhere yeah .
Speaker 1We've done the . Everywhere has a cool shit going on . Yeah , you can drive to some small podunk town . What ?
Speaker 2was your place . You went to Appleton Wisconsin Appleton Wisconsin , I loved it or somewhere in Iowa .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , dubuque .
Speaker 2Dubuque , that was fun .
Speaker 1Yeah , there's plenty of places .
Speaker 2I'm going to Gatlinburg Tennessee in June . Oh , I forgot .
Speaker 1Because the Blue Ridge Mountains are around that area .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1We went to North Carolina , oh , and stayed in a little Airbnb up on the mountain edge or whatever . That was pretty cool . Drew up the Blue Ridge Parkway .
Speaker 2Yeah , was it scary .
Speaker 1For my family . It was because I kind of got stressed out and got the car on two wheels and we're waddling back and forth on the side of the road for a minute and I was yelling at my passengers um but everybody shift their weight . They wanted to do the uh zip lining . I did not . So , like the old lady that I am truly inside . I went to an antique , big antique place .
Speaker 2Oh my gosh , that sounds all by myself .
Speaker 1It was awesome see and then we're like I can't believe , you don't want to go I just don't I don't like heights , but that wasn't . It's just like it's not my bag . I'm sure I would have been like , oh cool , I'm glad I did that , but I don't know .
Speaker 2I kind of looked like like looking at old stuff too I different antiques , I don't care , I'm telling you yeah , when we were in , uh , when the first time I went to London , my husband was working and so I had all day to myself , and so I went to malls , I went to antique places . I went to this old lady's house for tea . What she gave me ? Sherry . Did you know her ? I met her on the bus .
Speaker 1Are you kidding me ?
Speaker 2No , I'm not kidding you .
Speaker 1You just met a lady and went to her house .
Speaker 2I met a lady on the bus , yeah , and she said oh , you're staying . Wherever we were staying , it was a bed and breakfast . And she said I'm just around the corner , you should pop in . So I did , you did , I did pop in . I have pictures .
Speaker 1You weren't worried .
Speaker 2What's she going to do ?
Speaker 1She has a murderous son living at home in the basement .
Speaker 2No , she had a sweet old husband who he said she loves having afternoon company because then she can break out the sherry . And she did . And I don't like sherry but I drank it . Yeah , they were fun . They told me about the ghosts living in their house . Oh , I love it . And they were . I mean , this was years ago now , so it's 20 some years ago , and they had gone through the war . So they were telling me about world war ii and it was so interesting . Yeah , yeah , she was really cool .
Speaker 1So the people you meet on vacation that's nice it was very fun , yeah yeah , I don't know we do the or we did the . Um , one of your friends mentioned the all-inclusives . We did a few of those .
Speaker 2Yeah , what do you think of that ? I've never done an all-inclusive .
Speaker 1I mean , I liked them better when I was drinking . Sure , because I would just wake up and my wife would be like what are you doing ? I'm like there's vodka sitting here .
Speaker 2I'm going to make myself a drink .
Speaker 1Eight o'clock in the morning , slow , steady buzz . Slow steady buzz oh yeah , and hang out by the pool .
Speaker 2Oh man , the buffets . There is nothing better than a two-beer buzz at 2 o'clock in the afternoon on vacation , nap a little bit .
Speaker 1But the Dominican was my favorite , I think .
Speaker 2That was another one that they said there's some high crime going on , don't go there right now .
Speaker 1I don't know . They said that when we were going to , but what's the other ?
Speaker 2one , but if it's all-inclusive , I'm sure you're safe .
Speaker 1It's gated , yeah Bahamas and St Thomas .
Speaker 2I would love to go to a different island . I like Puerto .
Speaker 1Rico a lot I've been to Barbados , barbados .
Speaker 2It's beautiful what you went to Barbados , yeah .
Speaker 1You probably told me that already .
Speaker 2Yeah , no , my in-laws did take us there , so that was really nice , see . Yeah , that was an in-law vacation and that one was fine .
Speaker 1I've done . Actually , two of our three Malaclusas . I took our in-laws Did you my in-laws ? Actually , well , it was pretty fun , very fun to travel with , yeah , and they said they liked it because , like you just said , they didn't have to plan anything , and so I think they spent their whole lives , planning shit well , and I'm the usually the planner of the vacation , so it's a lot yeah , I don't too For .
Speaker 2Puerto Rico . There were two hotels that we added another hotel . There's a car rental , there's airplane tickets . I'm coordinating two people , mike and Jenna , and Mike and I , and it was a lot .
Speaker 1Yeah , it was a lot , and then sometimes I don't you worry about where people want to eat , what time they want to eat .
Speaker 2Right , so you had to coordinate that . We only had four people and one day there was a throwdown Not really a throwdown- yeah , close to it . And it's like , well , let's just pick someplace . If it sucks , we'll go somewhere else , or if it sucks , we won't go there again .
Speaker 1That's one thing about the vacations Expensive , yeah , and Vacations are expensive , yeah , and it's like I think fewer and fewer people can take vacations . I agree , because they've got that gap widening between the haves and the have-nots .
Speaker 2And I think that it makes the long weekend vacation more important . You know we're lucky . We live in a beautiful area . You can go north or you can go south , and you can have a good vacation , or you can stay here . Some people come here on vacation .
Speaker 1They do , don't they ? They do More and more . Yeah , we get the .
Speaker 2Viking ship in here and the Viking people are like oh my God , it's beautiful here .
Speaker 1What is it about the cruise thing ? I don't know , but I'm not a cruiser . You had some people mention the cruises .
Speaker 2Scandinavian cruise , but not a big . Looking at those cruise ships coming into Old San Juan , it gives me anxiety .
Speaker 1I don't think I would enjoy it . I don't like people that much . And there's a lot of people on some of those and I can't get away from them , but I think I like on the river cruises .
Speaker 2The boats are smaller and everybody has an outside cabin so you can go to your place and just look out . Plus , you're on a river , there's scenery on both sides .
Speaker 1Yeah , out in the middle of the .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't know . I don't know , not for me .
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Speaker 1Unless , of course , norwegian Cruises wants to sponsor the podcast .
Speaker 2I will certainly go on a trip . Yeah , we'll try it .
Speaker 1What is it ? Norwegian Cruise .
Speaker 2Line Prove us wrong trip ?
Speaker 1yeah , we'll try it . What is it norwegian ? Prove us wrong . Prove us wrong . Viking . Yes , prove us wrong . We'll even go on a . What is the one around ? Here a viking I know , but great lakes cruise a great lakes cruise .
Speaker 2Sure , yeah , I've met a couple people , um , you know , just being down when they come in , and the one person I was talking to him like oh yeah , on the cruise .
Speaker 2yeah , we're having a great time . I'm like , oh , where are you from minnesota ? I'm like you know you're on the cruise , yeah , we're having a great time . I'm like , oh , where are you from Minnesota ? I'm like you know you can come here anytime . We're like we'll pick you up the next . They've got a little bit of Wisconsin and then Minnesota . So the price of the Great Lakes one is more than it is going to Tahiti , isn't it ? But they do cover a lot of area . It's really spendy , isn't it ?
Speaker 1But they do cover a lot of area Okay .
Speaker 2Wow , that was acceptance .
Speaker 1Yeah okay .
Speaker 2Well , I'm thinking , like you know , you're going to Toronto . You're going to , aren't you going through the ? I can't think of the seaway . It's called there by the .
Speaker 1St Lawrence .
Speaker 2Seaway . Is it St Lawrence there ? I don't even know .
Speaker 1I don't even know what country .
Speaker 2I'm in right now . Shame on me for not knowing , and you do . You know we live in the Great Lakes , so we're kind of blasé about it . But if you don't live here , the Great Lakes is a really cool place . It's still pretty cool , You're going to five you know , lakes Mm-hmm .
Speaker 1A lot of water here .
Speaker 2We do have a lot of . That was the other thing when we were in Puerto Rico . You're surrounded by water , but it's all salt water .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's not fresh water . Is that four miles long , that island Not even .
Speaker 2Well , it took two . We were in San Juan You're almost at the tip of the northeast corner , maybe like another half hour 45 minutes and then we drove all the way to the other corner , to the northwest , where agadilla is old ramey air force base , and it was about two hours . Okay , and that's the long part of the island . If you go , you know , uh , north to south it's shorter , so it's not . It's actually one of the bigger islands but it's not very big it'd be tough living on an island because you can't just go well for us , because we don't .
Speaker 2We don't , you know , think of that . And even in , even in the uk , you know that island isn't huge , and so my uk friend was wanted to come and visit us and I hope she still does and we're like , oh , cassidy just lives close , you know we can go , you can stay there and then come and and she said well , by close will you yanks ? I mean close . She said what do you mean ? I said , oh , it's just a couple hours she's .
Speaker 1You know , if I drive two hours , I pack a suitcase yeah , yeah , but that's just what they're used to well , we have to drive two hours to go anywhere , anywhere , it's two hours . Yeah , it's I don't know but I like it here , I do too all right .
Speaker 2So vacations I think it's obvious that I like a vacation . It's a hero hero the only time they are . Sometimes in your mind they're a superhero , and then the reality of it is like the Chevy Chase syndrome yeah . Yeah , and then yeah . Damn it , but usually it's almost as good as in your head .
Speaker 1Yeah and it's always better after Remember the memory of it .
Speaker 2Yeah , Because you could be arguing with your family all the way there . Oh , and you see , you know , think of Disney World . If you're ever in Disney World , every other family is having it melt down . You know kids are tired , parents are crabby . You know they all want to go separate ways and then when they get home they're like oh we have so much fun at Disney $20,000 . Still , vacations are a hero , even if they have sucky moments .
Speaker 1Indeed , I agree , okay , hero .
Speaker 2Hero , hero , hero .
Speaker 1What else do we got ?
Speaker 2Well , we'll do a fast five . Oh , goody Ready , I am Airplanes Dick Right now . They're total dicks . Right now , they're total dicks , are they ? Oh , they're crashing , yeah , they're crashing everywhere , yeah , I don't like that , the crashing part .
Speaker 1I don't like planes very much .
Speaker 2We had a lot of turbulence on the way to Puerto Rico , like the most I've ever been in a plane , and I was a bit fearful for my we're over the Bermuda Triangle , for one thing , that's why , we're totally going down .
Speaker 2Don't take a plane over that . Well , I didn't care if it was on the way back , but we're on the way there . So , yeah , how about trains ? Hero , I think , hero , I would love to do a train trip . I like them . Yeah , we did a short train trip . We stayed in Williams , arizona , and took about almost three hours train ride to the Grand Canyon .
Speaker 1Oh , that's nice .
Speaker 2Yeah , and you go where you're going through this desolate area , parts of it , and it is easy to imagine how it was . So that was really fun .
Speaker 1Yeah , I like the idea of it . I've done it a couple times . I actually traveled for work back in the day and I would take the train because I would go from michigan to chicago or to out in iowa , wherever , and I always I liked it yeah , we took the train from ann arbor to chicago , so you didn't , you know , have to drive in the traffic .
Speaker 2And yeah , I like relaxing , it is relaxing . So trains , hero . How about automobiles , love ?
Speaker 1Love cars .
Speaker 2I know you love your car . I love driving , Drive , drive drive , I do love driving . I do like cars , because how the hell else are we going to get around ?
Speaker 1Yeah hero .
Speaker 2How about a bus , dick ? Did you ever do a bus ride ?
Speaker 1Yeah , I don't like it .
Speaker 2I took a bus from Alpena , michigan , to Biloxi , mississippi , and it was the longest suicide mission . Yeah , it was . It was the longest . I can't remember how many days .
Speaker 1I think it was three days , like two and a lot , what you're sleeping oh my god , it was horrible so that was the last time I was on the person you sat by yeah , and , and I think I was about 18 when I did it , but I still hated it . Yeah , that's no fun .
Speaker 2How about boats ?
Speaker 1No , we've had this discussion before .
Speaker 2Oh really .
Speaker 1I enjoy a personal watercraft boat . In fact I would like to get one for the summer because we don't have one anymore . But the big boats like the cruise ships and shit .
Speaker 2Not a cruise ship , but how about a ferry ? I like going on a ferry boat , oh yeah .
Speaker 1I like ferry boats .
Speaker 2You're like in the car , sometimes not even in the car the Mackinac Island ones ? Well , yeah , those two , that's a ferry boat . That's a ferry boat I'm thinking like a car ferry .
Speaker 1Yeah , oh , the big ones , yeah I , I haven't been on one of those .
Speaker 2Oh , they were kind of adventurous . We took the motorcycle one time and we were on a big one , a Manitoulin Island , getting from somewhere to Manitoulin . It was a beautiful ride .
Speaker 1Dolores Claiborne ruined ferry rides for me . Remember that the poor little girl and the dad , oh , Ugh . Okay , let's not revisit that .
Speaker 2That's a great movie it is a great movie because it's stephen king probably a good book too . I didn't read it you should read the book . Sorry , oh you should have .
Speaker 1So yeah , we're saying heroes for fairies boats overall heroes cruise boats okay , we'll do it to be determined when we get free tickets , yeah , they're coming okay , all right .
Speaker 2So that's what I say . What do you say ? Any closing thoughts ?
Jason Bateman and Outlast Production
Speaker 1No , I've just been thinking about Jason Bateman again .
Speaker 2Why .
Speaker 1Well , because he has . How are we ?
Speaker 2running to Conan O'Brien .
Speaker 1Yeah , I think he's kind of a doofus .
Speaker 2He is totally a doofus . That's why I love him .
Speaker 1But Bateman , he's a producer of a show on Netflix called Outlast . It's where they put , like I don't know , a dozen people out into the wilderness and they can win a million dollars .
Speaker 2Or die .
Speaker 1Well , yeah , or you shoot your flare and get taken off if you get sick or you're done or whatever . And it's pretty fascinating and I did not know he was the producer until I saw it pop up in the credits .
Speaker 2And I know you and him had a little thing . Is there anything he doesn't do ? Call us .
Speaker 1Yeah , he doesn't call . And you were on Smartless . I can't believe it . All right , well , we should say thank you to everybody that participated .
Speaker 2Yes , thank you everybody for giving your input on the vacations and we'll hear from you soon , I hope . Yeah , oh yeah , when do you email us One time oh ?
Speaker 1man .
Speaker 2Hero or .
Speaker 1Dick at Gmail .
Speaker 2No , there's a number in there .
Speaker 1Hero or Dick 2023 at Gmailmailcom yeah , that's it yeah , that'll do it yep okay thanks everyone bye .
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