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Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 9 - Blackbirds
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They recognize faces, hold grudges, mourn their dead, and might be smarter than your neighbor. From royal ravens and ghostly folklore to punk-ass grackles and poetry's darkest mascots, blackbirds have haunted myth and mind for centuries. In this episode, Kate and KJ dive into bird brains, badass behavior, and why these beady-eyed legends might just be heroes—despite the occasional dick move.
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Podcast Introduction
Speaker 1greetings and salutations . Is this a test ?
Speaker 2I think this is the real thing oh okay , all right , I'm pretty sure it's going . Yeah , it looks like it's recording .
Speaker 1Welcome to hero , or dick episode nine of season three thousand well three , three . You know you're getting . You guys , the , you , you fans , all two of you that listen . Um , no , I bet you we have 19 , 19 , I think we have 19 people that listen . We have people that actually listen and download this oh well , thank you people appreciate that .
Speaker 1Yeah , but they're going to get a raw deal now because the best podcast just happened before this podcast we're talking about peewee herman , yes , and so I suggest anybody , suggest anybody who has HBO Max or whatever they're calling it these days .
Speaker 2There's a documentary about Paul Rubens on there .
Speaker 1Paul Ruben is Pee Wee Herman , by the way .
Speaker 2It is yeah , I think Does everyone know that .
Speaker 1I don't think so , I don't know .
Speaker 2Maybe not . There is a great documentary on about him , though , and he is such a cool guy , yeah , who got a raw deal .
Speaker 1Right , he went to too many ditty parties , just kidding .
Speaker 2Ditty wishes .
Speaker 1He's that fella's .
Speaker 2He's in some trouble .
Speaker 1He's a bit of trouble . I was listening to the 2020 . You ever hear that it's a news program , but anyhow , they have a thing going right now , like every week or day , I don't know what it is . They're following the trial and I was listening to the stuff up to the trial . Yeah , there's some stuff going on there .
Speaker 2There is yeah , I think he is , and I don't know Everybody's innocent until proven guilty . And I know nothing about him not not much about him but I would surmise that he is a person with a lot of money who can buy whatever he wants , and sometimes he wants to buy freaky ass sex , and so people sell it to him .
Speaker 1Yeah , and sometimes he makes his significant other perform acts on other individuals , sometimes young people , and tapes it and sometimes beats the living shit out of people in the video . Right and so the question is .
Speaker 2Is it consensual ? I don't think so . I think she was bullied into it and threatened into it . But some of the participants , let's say I think it was consensual and I think they got reimbursed for it .
Speaker 1He did have punch at the parties Like a special punch that he would serve . It was Cosby punch , jesus . That's terrible , but today we're talking about something a little more wholesome .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 1Don't you think ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I do think that , but pretty much anything is more wholesome than that Blackbirds . Yeah , blackbirds , which can include crows and ravens and the traditional blackbird .
Speaker 1It can . Kate likes to go the extra mile .
Speaker 2Well , you know , blackbirds are blackbirds . And then you also have crows and ravens . I can't say the Latin names for them , can you ?
Speaker 1I don't . No , I can't .
Speaker 2Well , look them up , they all have Latin names .
Speaker 1I know the one . In North America , blackbirds are primarily members of the . I can't say it , kate .
Speaker 2Is it ?
Speaker 1I-C-T-E-R-I-D-A-E family . Wow , in Europe and Asia , the Eurasian blackbird . I can get this one . It's called Turdus marula . Turdus Turdus , it's a thrush A thrush yes , Now how many and then the crows and ravens are Corvus . Yes .
Speaker 2They're either Corvus really long name that stands for short beak and crows , or ravens are Corvus . I'm sorry Corvus Corax , which sounds like a Dr Seuss name , but it ain't .
Speaker 1So there are well . They've been around millions of years . Yeah , of course they date back to the Miocene epoch . I don't know what that is , but it sounds like it was a really long time ago .
Speaker 2It does sound like a long time ago . I thought you were going to say there was like a hieroglyphic on it .
Speaker 1There probably is , I bet there is . I bet you the UFOs probably , you know when they built the periods Maybe crows came through Speaking of periods .
Speaker 2Maybe the crows are UFOs , we don't know .
Speaker 1Stop it Conspiracy theory . We're living in a multiverse .
Speaker 2A multiverse .
Speaker 1The Google quantum computer you know they developed that can solve things that would take a septillion years . Now it solves in like 10 minutes huh like .
Speaker 2What kind of
Understanding Blackbirds
Speaker 2question do you ask it ?
Speaker 1what do you want to ask now ? It was like some of the most complex math problems , but because of , because of , uh , this computer . Um , they're thinking that we live in a multiverse because this computer is able to find information from other . I'm probably using the wrong words dimensions , or something .
Speaker 2Or other sources beyond our capacity . Oh , that's interesting .
Speaker 1It is .
Speaker 2Okay , it has nothing to do with crows , really no . Or ravens .
Speaker 1How do you think the podcast is doing in one of the other multiverses ? Probably great , probably . They're not talking about blackbirds , they should be though they're talking about peewee hermits . Because there are several species here in our lovely North America . I'm going to rattle off a few of them . Are you ready ?
Speaker 2Okay , I'm ready .
Speaker 1Siminids what is that ? Siminids ? Sibilins , sibilis , whatever ? Simulants what is that ? Simulants ? Sibilants , sibilants , whatever ? Red-winged blackbird , yeah , the rusty blackbird , oh , brewer's blackbird , I like it . The tricolored blackbird , the yellow-shouldered blackbird , it's endangered . Oh , I think that one's in California . The shiny cowbird .
Speaker 2I love shiny .
Speaker 1The brown-headed cowbird he's not shiny the great-tailed grackle , the boat-tailed grackle and the common grackle , those common grackles , by the way grackles are one of the most intelligent . Grackles are yes and they can mimic other birds and other environmental sounds , as can your friend the shiny and brown-headed cowbirds .
Speaker 2I think blackbirds in general can mimic . They all kind of mimic not only other animal sounds but human voices . I mean , they're not talking like a you know . Yeah what's up man . What would that be ? A parrot , I guess , guess . Or a macaw ?
Speaker 1oh yeah , you see those crazy birds on those . Uh , you know I'm on that . That thing the kids use to instagram , oh , and , like you got to get on there , kate , and we need to have a page on there because people actually but , um we should have a page because I'm doing okay with the book . Crap on there oh god yeah making videos it's going . It actually finally got released for global distribution , so that means it went through the approval process and it will be available and whatever .
Speaker 2And what's the name of that ?
Speaker 1Devotion , that's D-E-V-O-T-I-O-N Devotion .
Speaker 2Devotion , or , as I like to call it , shorten it , devo .
Speaker 1It should be shortened because it's 10 very short stories and it's 10 very short stories .
Speaker 2That is short stories . I like that . I think there's a couple birds in there . Uh-oh , I didn't think of one offhand , anyway .
Speaker 1So actually there's 26 species referred to as blackbirds in the Americas , 30 worldwide , so that's mine . They live three to five years , the oldest .
Speaker 2Okay , and I did read that and I thought that doesn't seem quite long enough , because then I read that they can live up to 10 to 15 years .
Speaker 1So it depends on the source Three to 15 . That sounds good .
Speaker 2Three to 15 , that's a big span . They are monogamous , they find a partner , they stick with them and they are omnivores .
Speaker 1What does that mean , Kate ?
Speaker 2That means they eat insects , worms , along with fruits and berries and anything a human will throw out .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's right . They alter their diet based on what's available . They adapt .
Speaker 2They also eat other things . A lot of birds do , yeah , and you know that's kind of a dickish move . It is a real dickish move . But if you've ever seen the family guy , uh , the seagulls , when they're talking about kfc and they're like , oh that's just delicious , dude .
Speaker 1That's your what . What's the bird ? It's one of the blackbirds , I think that actually takes over a nest , drops an egg in there . Is it a grinkle ? Maybe ? It drops its egg in there and leaves it in there and the other bird raves as the bird . And the bird grows up like really big compared to all the other birds .
Speaker 2Birds , don't beg .
Speaker 1It takes up the resources .
Speaker 2Well , you know what . We're going to talk about them later .
Speaker 1I can't wait . We can talk about them now .
Speaker 2Oh , Blue Jay .
Speaker 1They are noisy , they're tattletales , they do mimic everybody , they steal stuff .
Blackbird Species and Intelligence
Speaker 2And they are bullies . They're kind of cool , though they're beautiful . Yeah , that's how they get away with it . So if you want to make friends with a crow , what would you do ?
Speaker 1Give it a shiny thing .
Speaker 2Yes , they like shiny things because they are clever and curious and self-aware , and they also recognize faces that they like and that they don't like . So you need to find a pair of crows , at least a pair . Offer them food at the same time of the day or night and be mindful . Don't be , you know , be me day or night and be mindful . Don't be , you know , be mellow towards it .
Speaker 1Oh okay , don't be like here crow no you're like hey crow yeah , what's up man .
Speaker 2Yeah , you got to be mindful .
Speaker 1You want this shiny nickel . How's it going , man ? Yeah , dude , have some crackers .
Speaker 2Have this cracker . I'll let the birds come to you and they will , but they have to learn to trust you .
Speaker 1My notes are not jiving with yours .
Speaker 2What do you say about you ? Don't want to be friends with a crow , no , I really do , but the whole monogamous thing . Oh , you think they sleep around .
Speaker 1They do . The red-winged blackbirds and the grackles are polygamous , the one male mates with multiple females . They're polygonous the one male mates with multiple females . And then the Eurasian blackbird may form seasonal bear bonds , so it has a summer romance . But I think most of them are monogamous , you know .
Speaker 2And I just wrote down blackbirds . I didn't write down what kind . So maybe it's only certain kinds are monogamous . Maybe the other ones ?
Speaker 1are over a bug . Maybe it's the ones in Utah . I think most of Utah , utah no offense to anyone in Utah , because if I was in Utah and grew up in that situation , I may want five you know , I think one is being a good thing , but if it works for somebody , cool . Right .
Speaker 2You know , if you had seven wives , say , and you went and stayed with one of them a night , it's like the other six nights they kind of got the day off right .
Speaker 1It might be better for the women .
Speaker 2It might be , I wouldn't want to all live in the same house . Oh my God , I don't know . No way that's a lot of kids together too , mm-hmm . So I'm going to tell you about some Blackbirds in song . What first comes to your mind ?
Speaker 1Blackbird by the Beatles .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , leonard McCartney , representing civil rights , blackbird singing in the dead of the night .
Speaker 1Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Classic .
Speaker 2How about Rain King by Counting Crows ?
Speaker 1Oh , that's a great song .
Speaker 2And Counting Crows .
Speaker 1Yes , what about Blackbird Chain by Beck ?
Speaker 2Oh , I don't know that one .
Speaker 1Well , now you do . Bye-bye , Blackbird .
Speaker 2Bye-bye the Raven by Alan Parsons Project . I don't know that song . I don't either , but I believe it . I do too . How about Cat Stevens , also known as Y know that song ?
Speaker 1I don't either , but I believe it , I do too how ?
Speaker 2about uh ? Beyonce had one . How about uh cat stevens , also known as yusuf has ? Morning has broken like the first morning . Blackbird has spoken , like the first bird heavens to murkertroid . That's a mouthful and then let's go very old school go 4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a pie yeah . Yeah , yeah , sing a song six times .
Speaker 1But don't forget Fleetwood Mac . They had blackbird .
Speaker 2Do they have blackbird too ?
Speaker 1Yeah , from 1970 . Okay , wait , what are you jumping into there ?
Speaker 2I have . I'm done with songs . Do you have any more songs ?
Speaker 1No , I've got some nesting facts .
Speaker 2Okay , let's hear them .
Speaker 1But now I feel bad because I feel like I should have got those in sooner .
Speaker 2The nesting facts ? Yeah , no .
Speaker 1Okay , it's a perfect time for it , because I have some cultural impact things too .
Speaker 2All right , literature I have some literature , okay , so let's do the nesting goes along with the other thing With the sleeping .
Speaker 1Yeah , with the sleeping around With the sleeping around . You know , this is obvious stuff Shrubs reeds , trees , even urban areas , you know .
Speaker 2I mean where else ?
Speaker 1Where else are you going to do it ? Yeah , they go , they got it .
Speaker 2They use what they got .
Speaker 1Twigs , grasses , mud , animal hair , plastic strips and other objects that they find animal hair , plastic strips and other objects that they find . Incubation typically lasts 11 to 14 days , and the young stay in the nest for 10 to 19 days . After hatching , the female usually builds the nest and incubates the eggs and provides most of the care . Isn't that weird ? It's the way of nature , it's like . Do you think birds will evolve when they're like ? I don't want to stay home and build a nest and take birds .
Speaker 2You stay home . You know what I mean . I want to go out on tea , maybe . If anybody can do it , the blackbirds can .
Speaker 1They could the males . They do help feed the chicks and they defend the territory . It's pretty stereotypical .
Speaker 2That's nature , yeah , whatever .
Speaker 1So are we fighting nature .
Speaker 2Hmm , that's pretty deep .
Speaker 1Let's think about that . I don't know . I think I'd like to stay home and feed the chicks .
Speaker 2You think , you think staying home is easy until you do it . Yeah .
Speaker 1I did it for a while , but I only had one chick , it was a boy chick . The boy , chick Julian . I stayed at home with him for a while . That was fun it was , but it was very difficult because I went from a swinging single to a stay-at-home dad . Stay-at-home dad . Holy , that'll clip your wings pretty quick . So , to speak .
Speaker 2So the Tower of London , they love the ravens .
Speaker 1You've seen that .
Speaker 2Because yes .
Speaker 1You've been there .
Speaker 2They're the protectors and actually they got really sick . But the myth is that there has to be a raven at the tower or the rain falls , and I don't mean R-A-I-N oh boy . I mean the royalty , so even sickly . So there was a couple in the cages and they were all sick .
Speaker 2Oh , geez yeah , because they got some bird flu and hopefully they brought them back . Now they're . They're healthy and whatever . But uh , that's interesting , other cultures have different ways of looking at them . The Swedish say that the ravens are said to be ghosts of murdered people . I like that . I like it a lot . That's a story right there . That's a movie , that's a series Like the birds ? No , not at all . Did you ever watch the birds ? Yes , it is terrifying , but if you really look close , those birds are so lame .
Speaker 1Oh , it's bad .
Speaker 2Yeah , but back then , but for the time .
Speaker 1Someone needs to remake that .
Speaker 2Oh , with AI .
Speaker 1So that's in Sweden . What about the Celts ?
Speaker 2The Celts , the Irish , the Welsh .
Speaker 1They thought that the similar thing there . They thought that , the similar thing there . They thought they were spiritual messengers from the other world .
Speaker 2Oh , I like that .
Speaker 1And here's the thing If that computer is tapping into other multiverse , are they tapping into , like you know , ghost world ? Is there a ghost world ? Is there a ghost world ? I'm fucking telling you yeah . Native Americans Kate . They considered them sacred symbols tied to the sun and harvest .
Speaker 2They respected them .
Speaker 1Yep , they respected everything . Because they respected everything Except Except Whitey , because we came in there . Can't say that Just handed out blankets filled with the measles , measles , jesus .
Speaker 2With your blanket .
Speaker 1Yeah , but there was . You know , I got to stop being like that because I'm sure there was stuff on both sides . I don't know the story I wasn't there but I do know that we fight dirty .
Speaker 2Yeah , oh no . I think it's safe for you to say that , yeah , we totally
Cultural Significance of Ravens
Speaker 2took advantage of them .
Speaker 1We do that a lot , all in the name of freedom and spray tan .
Speaker 2It's not . Let me tell you about Irish and Welsh people , because the Irish people think that the raven is foretelling of doom . So if you see a raven , look out . The Welsh say death and resurrection .
Speaker 1There's too many things associated with death and ghostly stuff here , Kate .
Speaker 2Now Hindus say , they bring info . Oh , they're bringing info .
Speaker 1Yeah , from the dead and omens , holy shit .
Speaker 2And I liked this one . The Aborigines think that they are ancestral resurrections and they're tricksters .
Speaker 1Oh , I like that too .
Speaker 2And there is a three-legged crow in East Asian mythology , which I know nothing about , but in Chinese-slash-Japan and Asian culture there's a three-legged crow .
Speaker 1You gotta like that .
Speaker 2Sure , I would like that .
Speaker 1What else you got as far as cultural impact ?
Speaker 2Cultural . How about books and movies ?
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2I started out with . That's so Raven .
Speaker 1There you go . What about ? Well , we talked about the Birds .
Speaker 2The Birds , the Raven , the Crow , oh the Crow yeah , what was that guy's name ? Brandon Lee .
Speaker 1Did he die during that ? He did , he did . He shouldn't have been talking about Crow .
Speaker 2His Bruce Lee son . Yeah , yeah , that's a great movie too . The Raven Sleeping talking about his grisly son yeah , yeah , that's a great movie too . Uh , the ray of the sleeping beauty was she ? Yeah , and sleeping beauty , um , the mal of maleficent . Her buddy is a raven oh , yeah , yeah , okay oh diablo . I think there's a diablo , something like that's a wonderful , a wonderful life .
Speaker 1There's a crow in there , a raven . They keep him in the office , oh yeah , and when Uncle Billy's freaking out , the bird crawls up on his shoulder . What's up with Uncle Billy , or Uncle Billy ? Uncle Billy really stole the money .
Speaker 2Come on , would Uncle Billy do that ? No , he's a drunk , but he's not a thief .
Speaker 1A A little forgetful how much you got for movies .
Speaker 2How about Game of Thrones too ? Never saw it . That is it what .
Speaker 1I've never seen it .
Speaker 2I'm going to have to make a citizen's arrest on you right now , is it ?
Speaker 1really that good though ? Yeah , it is . Here's what I want to tell you , Okay .
Speaker 2I did not . That is not my genre .
Speaker 1Oh good , because it's not remotely close to me , it's not at all my genre and Cassidy , thank you .
Speaker 2Cassidy said you really need to see this and I'm like , eh , not my thing . You know , I saw the books . I don't even want to read them . They're too involved . You know , it's not my thing . She's like I think you need to see this . So , on her suggestion , I watched it and became totally addicted to it . The writing , the what do you look at it ? The writing the um , the costumes , the people in it .
Speaker 1Do they all have accents ?
Speaker 2No .
Speaker 1Okay , good .
Speaker 2And it is like , uh , a fantasy dream come true .
Speaker 1okay , I'm saying watch ah , maybe I'll try it try it and see , I have to change it up because I just keep watching seinfeld . Right , you need to .
Speaker 2I gotta change , break away , yeah or , and I can remember being so addicted to it . I came into it late , but there was still one season left . I think that wasn't out and then waiting for it . Waiting for it was like being a kid waiting for a TV show . No , kidding . Yeah , all right , I was totally addicted to it and I started to watch it again , just because now I know what's going to happen and also I love Pedro Pascal . Wait , it's still going on . No .
Speaker 1Oh .
Speaker 2No , all right , but I started watching it again just to I got you Okay , and I will say , though , that the last season was very dark , not in , you know , being ominous , but like , turn the lights up , I can't see anything .
Speaker 1That's something going on right now .
Speaker 2So that was hard , but that's the last season . Okay , you don't have to even watch it if you don't want to .
Speaker 1That was on HBO or something .
Speaker 2I believe it was HBO .
Speaker 1You and all your fancy channels .
Speaker 2I get them from .
Speaker 1Cassidy , oh , okay .
Speaker 2Alright , so .
Speaker 1Books , literature , Wallace Stevens' 13 Ways of Looking at a Blackbird , which explored perception and reality .
Speaker 2Was it written by a computer ?
Speaker 1That's my Twilight's own thing . Well , you got stuff there . Go , go ahead . You got the most famous one , probably oh yeah , never more that is a great .
Speaker 2That is great , though , isn't it ?
Speaker 1it appeals to when you're a kid all the way to your adult .
Speaker 2It's just a good , scary , spooky little thing and so I'm just thinking of so many versions of it like A Christmas Carol . You know , you got the Muppets , you got . Traditional you got and I was my favorite version of the Simpsons . I do a great version of it .
Speaker 1You know I still haven't watched that show much . The Simpsons Do you have a TV ? I told you I watched Seinfeld . Ts Elliott and Margaret Atwood also use them .
Speaker 2A lot of writers use them .
Speaker 1I use birds too .
Speaker 2Well , and ravens , Like we said , they're so ominous and mysterious and they kind of got that ghostly death thing around them .
Speaker 1So it's easy .
Speaker 2So what else you got for ?
Speaker 1cultural stuff , death thing around them , so it's easy . So what else you got for cultural stuff ?
Speaker 2Well , I just wanted to mention that somewhere I read that they can fly upside down
Making Friends with Crows
Speaker 2. It's true , I haven't seen it , I haven't seen a video of it , but they can fly upside down .
Speaker 1Can't all birds do that ? I don't know they need to , can they ? I don't know .
Speaker 2Think about it .
Speaker 1Hey , if anybody knows , you can email us At Hero or Dick 2023 at Gmail Dot com . Yep , that's where we get most of our Info . Fan mail Damn it , I burped on the air again . Brooke .
Speaker 2Damn it , I burped on the air again , brooke , I'm sorry , we would have never known if you didn't say it though .
Speaker 1I know , but she'll know she can tell by that pause and the little whoop . Anyhow , good old blackbirds . They obviously control insect population , they disperse seeds and they're also used , as you know , kind of like frogs and whatnot an indication of the health of the environment . So if the blackbirds are doing good , the environment's doing good . Okay , so maybe where that yellow-winged bird is endangered , things might not be so good .
Speaker 2Is it in the fires of California ? I don't know .
Speaker 1Maybe it's in Smogville .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't know .
Speaker 1Not sure , I think our blackbirds are doing good .
Speaker 2I see them frequently , ravens .
Speaker 1Oh , tell me your favorite thing that you learned about what they call a group of .
Speaker 2Oh , isn't that the best ? Okay , and I did find there was more than he's talking about . A flock of ravens is called a murder .
Speaker 1Yeah , she was so happy when she found that out . She had to let me know , because Kate has a dark side .
Speaker 2It did text it to you , didn't it ? I like that .
Speaker 1I do too .
Speaker 2Because I don't know who thought it up .
Speaker 1I just felt bad that you didn't know that .
Speaker 2Well , I did know it .
Speaker 1Oh , you did .
Speaker 2I didn't just learn it . I've seen flo . I just felt bad that you didn't know that . Well , I did know it . Oh , you did , I didn't just learn it . Oh , I've seen flocks of crows before .
Speaker 1You called them a murder .
Speaker 2Well , not to their face .
Speaker 1You don't want to piss off the crows or the blackbirds .
Speaker 2No , no , I like them . What else you got about blackbirds ?
Speaker 1They sing during and after rainfall to reassert territory after silence or disruption . Now that's kind of neat . Hey , I don't know . There's a lot , it's you know , more little tidbits . I did want to talk a little bit Companies and branding that use Blackbird . There's a Blackbird Vineyards , oh , I bet . Blackbird Studio in Nashville , a recording studio which has been used by some of the elite artists yeah , Probably some of the people that have been at the ditty parties .
Speaker 2I doubt it . You've been at one of those haven't you , no , no . I don't like baby oil . What did you just say ? I don't like baby oil .
Speaker 1Well , I heard , though , that there was like the inside party and the outside party , and the people outside were all having drinks , enjoying whatever , but then the inside party kind of got , and then Diddy would come and say they actually played it , Somebody recorded it . He's like everybody . Things are about to get wild , Wild out . Kids , yeah kids , you got about an hour to get out of here . If you're not out of here , welcome to adult time . It's like that's messed up .
Speaker 2Well , to me is that messed up , or is that consensual ? Then it's like all right , I'm giving you guys all fair warning . You got an hour before it gets kinky .
Speaker 1Make sure you drink some punch before you leave .
Speaker 2I mean he's giving them fair warning .
Speaker 1I don't know . Blackbird Fragrance . I'm wearing it today . Can you smell it ? No , I'm not wearing it . Blackbird Interactive it's a game developer . And then the SR-71 Blackbird Is it a plane ? Yes , it's an iconic aircraft used by the military .
Speaker 2I like it .
Speaker 1So that's what I got .
Speaker 2So I think that's all the facts that we have about blackbirds . Next comes our determination . Our blackbirds heroes or dicks .
Speaker 1Heroes , heroes , don't care how dickish they are .
Speaker 2I don't care if they sleep around .
Speaker 1No , eat those babies .
Speaker 2Smart and playful . You know they can fly upside down . They're sensitive , so when a crow dies , the other crows gather around the body and I've seen that .
Speaker 1I've seen that that's , that is cool they're humans .
Speaker 2They're more human than the human they're better than we are they're better than oh , I agree
Blackbirds in Songs and Literature
Speaker 2with that . Plus , they can remember faces , and sometimes they're white .
Speaker 1What'd you just say ?
Speaker 2Sometimes they're white albino .
Speaker 1Oh , I like that .
Speaker 2I couldn't find a picture , but I found A verbiage that said that . So big heroes , even if they do a couple dickish things which you know .
Speaker 1Yeah , that seems to be our mantra .
Speaker 2It really is .
Speaker 1We could get a shirt that says that , oh , you know what I was thinking , what ? I don't know if we should talk about it on air , but you know , I'm doing the Crooked Steeple , which is the Crooked Steeple Press , and there's a blog , there's the books , but I think we should put a page on there for this thing . Oh yeah , the podcast , totally , I think we should put a page on there for the web this thing .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , the podcast Totally , and then people can go there and maybe we can put swag on there , we want some swag .
Speaker 2Give us some ideas .
Speaker 1We can do some behind the scenes . Randy here can .
Speaker 2Oh , we could do like a beyond the podcast . Yeah .
Speaker 1Oh , I like that too Well .
Speaker 2first we're going to do Fast Five .
Speaker 1Yeah , let's do it .
Speaker 2All right , a robin .
Speaker 1Hero .
Speaker 2I say hero because it's the first bird you usually see .
Speaker 1And they're like the most fun to watch when they're going after worms , when they're bouncing on . They listen to that ground . They're so intense , you can get close to them yeah .
Speaker 2They're like man .
Speaker 1I want to grab this worm man .
Speaker 2Wait , give me a break . How about a mourning , dove I'm going to say hero . You're a liar because they're dicks , shut up . They're like oh cool .
Speaker 1Shut it yeah .
Speaker 2And we discussed this briefly earlier . Blue jays , I say . They're the biggest dicks in the bird world . They are dicks Even though they're beautiful , and maybe that's why .
Speaker 1Yeah , they think they can get away with it Because you look good . I remember when I used to hunt . I used to go hunting and they are tattletales . As soon as they would see me , they would announce it to the whole fucking universe that I was there , they tell the deer , they tell everybody . But that's good , they're doing their duty .
Speaker 2Dicks , how about a cardinal though ?
Speaker 1Oh , come on now , are you kidding ? Right now you love a cardinal . I don't know what's going on in my life . The last couple years I'm like an 82-year-old woman . I really cardinals .
Speaker 2I bought like this cardinal he's wearing a sweatshirt that has a cardinal . It's from jc penny I I love it .
Speaker 1I got it before they moved out of here , like 10 years ago , but uh , yeah , I bought a like a cardinal to put in our window at christmas . I don't know , I like cardinals and I keep saying that my wife likes them , so that I can I suck don't you love these cardinals in Brooklyn ? Last week , though , we had one . You know what Bluechase though , I think are tied to the spiritual world . I was reading about that . They are .
Speaker 1But the other day there was a cardinal just outside our window just early in the morning just singing away . It was so loud it was pretty , not like those morning doves .
Speaker 2Okay , and the fifth one is Chickadee .
Speaker 1They're the cutest bird in the world . They'll land on you . I love them . They're so cute .
Speaker 2They're cute . There's no way they could be dicks .
Speaker 1No .
Speaker 2No .
Speaker 1No , I love them .
Speaker 2They're adorable .
Speaker 1Very curious and that little .
Speaker 2Chickadee . They got a great song . They are adorable .
Speaker 1Very curious and that little tickety-day-day Mm-hmm .
Speaker 2They got a great song . Yeah , they got it all going on Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , but they don't show it . They're not show-offy like the bluebirds no , or blue jade no .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , you got more .
Speaker 2No , that's just five . That was five of them .
Speaker 1Before we depart , on the bird topic , yes , if anybody would like to download an app , I'm not getting kickbacks for this , but something I found a few years ago called Merlin .
Speaker 2Bird . I have it already , I would say download that sucker . Mentioning it .
Speaker 1Because you can be walking through the woods . You turn it on it's listening and it will tell you what kind of birds . It's amazing .
Speaker 2It is amazing . It is amazing , yeah . And then it gives you pictures and it gives you information about the birds and whenever we were out of town , you know when you're sitting in your backyard you kind of know , yeah , but still it's nice to listen and then . But when we were out of town , we're like what is that bird ? Well , let me tell you .
Speaker 1Oh , I bet that was when you were in Georgia . Mm-hmm , it was a stork , not really , I used it when we were Pelican Pelican .
Speaker 2There's lots of pelicans in Georgia . What do you think about them ?
Speaker 1I don't know , really I think they're heroes .
Speaker 2I love them . Because no ?
Speaker 1they don't bring babies . That's a stork , okay .
Speaker 2Who doesn't really bring babies either . What We'll talk after the show , but I love the pelicans because they're so prehistoric looking .
Speaker 1Yeah ,
Final Verdict: Heroes or Dicks
Speaker 1Well they are right .
Speaker 2I think so . Yeah , yeah , related , all right . Well , thanks for listening .
Speaker 1Thanks everybody .
Speaker 2Okay , bye , bye .
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