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Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick - S.3, Ep. 15 - The Prince of F'ing Darkness: Ozzy
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Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick!
Kate & KJ track Ozzy Osbourne’s run from slaughterhouse kid to rock icon worth an estimated $220M. Bats, the Alamo, 25 Vicodin a day—then…Dad? Did the Prince of Darkness become a beloved family man? Tune in.
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Welcome to Hero or Dick
Speaker 1here we are . Hi everyone face to face , a couple of silver spoons . I can't see because my pop filter is don't move it though . Yeah , we're no buzzing because we had a little issue last week which was about urban legends , and the one person that listened to it noticed that actually we probably didn't record much of it because , uh , the microphone the microphone went in and out working well , but welcome to hero or dick yes , welcome season three , episode 15 15 big 15 oh man , the one five the one five .
Speaker 2We have an excellent topic today . I'm gonna try moving my chair before we get to the topic , I want to quiz you about something , because I both want to commend you and punch you in the face .
Speaker 1Yes , do it .
Speaker 2For going to the Cake concert . Yeah , cake .
Speaker 1Cake K-A-C-A .
Speaker 2It's C-A-K-E the band Cake , the band Cake . I love them . I love them so much that , when their tickets went on sale , cassidy bought some Uh-oh and we were going to cake .
Speaker 1You were ? Yeah , I didn't see you there .
Speaker 2Months ago . Yeah . And then Cassidy broke her ankle .
Speaker 1Did you ?
Speaker 2tell me you had tickets .
Speaker 1I don't know . There's no way .
Speaker 2Well , you're stupid , you could have bought them off me . Well , I didn't buy them . Well , I didn't buy them . Well , I didn't buy them either , but Cassidy sold them . Yeah , so , cassidy , when she fractured her ankle , we just decided it would be too hard for her to go . Well , so we did not get to go to cake , but you got to go to cake .
Speaker 1I did . I was dreading it .
Speaker 2Why Go ahead ? What were you going ?
Speaker 1to say cake . I did , I was dreading it . Why Go ahead ? What were ?
Speaker 2you going to say she what she did , sell her tickets Okay .
Speaker 1No , I was dreading it because I get a little anxious anyway .
Speaker 2Well , here's why I was okay . I'm not okay with missing it . We really wanted to go . I love cake . I've loved them for years . My favorite song is Sheep Go to Heaven , Goats Go to Hell . They sang it Fuck .
Speaker 1The whole crowd sang it and actually it was special . It was special because he had people singing one part of it .
Speaker 2People singing the other Don't tell me anymore .
Speaker 1Okay , but it was excuse me , I was dreading going because my wife . What's that ?
Speaker 2It was 90 degrees that day , you know it wasn't too bad , oh good , well , no , it was .
Speaker 1Never mind , take that back , because my wife was sweating profusely , but she was dancing and stuff .
Speaker 2Well , dancing at a concert , yeah , but I was dreading the 90 degrees .
Speaker 1But I was dreading the just traveling . I feared construction . You got to go through Traverse City , but it all worked out well and we got there . It was smooth as can be and the concert was really good .
Speaker 2Yeah , they would be .
Speaker 1It's so cool to go watch artists that have been at it a while and as soon as they hit that first chord , it's like you think you're listening to the radio .
Speaker 2They have a great horn section . And then it pisses me off . They have a great horn section . Oh my God , that guy's .
Speaker 1My daughter and her boyfriend went with us and they could not get over how talented that dude was , oh my God , fabulous , fabulous .
Speaker 2I don't know any names of people , but it is fabulous .
Speaker 1Did you know that their former drummer was arrested for child pedophilia ? He's a pedophile .
Speaker 2I did not know that .
Speaker 1That was nine years ago , not the current cake .
Speaker 2Did they announce that at the concert ? They did . No , they didn't .
Speaker 1Oh you kids . No , I read that . But now listen , now she could have went with the broken leg , I'm sorry to tell you because I saw no shit , there was a lady with a baby there for one .
Speaker 2Well , that's not cool .
Speaker 1But there was , there were old people there , like in wheelchairs , like me . No , I mean old .
Speaker 2Well , here's what we said .
Speaker 1Well , we can do one of two things she could have got front door service .
Speaker 2Yeah , should we go for it and do the wheelchair ? She has a scooter that she gets around on and she just doesn't feel comfortable going .
Speaker 1No , I get it , yeah , hot .
Speaker 2It's hot , there's a crowd , people are going to bump me . I can't stand up . It would not be comfortable .
Speaker 1It wouldn't have mattered there , though it would have been comfortable for me . Not for her . One thing that my wife and brother-in-law , even my daughter , I guess coming around I could care less is that most of the time people sat . Most concerts people stand .
Speaker 2Yeah , and that was our fear . No , but it's an older crowd , so they're just sitting down and chilling out .
Speaker 1But I think they knew what they were doing because they played like the songs that weren't very familiar . You hear them and you're like , oh yeah , I remember that song . But then they built up to the second half . They had an intermission . No opening band , oh , but an intermission . They had an intermission and then the second half , everyone was on their feet the whole time .
Speaker 2Yeah , what's your ?
Speaker 1favorite cake song , I like Going the Distance . And what's that ? Short skirt and a long jacket ? Perhaps , perhaps . But they got it .
Speaker 2Both very classics , did they sing ? I Will Survive .
Speaker 1No , Fuck Damn .
Speaker 2I was waiting for that one too . They're waiting for me to be at the concert .
Speaker 1That's their last show . It's not , it's not . They haven't made an album in like 15 , 14 years .
Speaker 2Okay , I was going to say 10 to 15 . Easy . They were going to Grand Rapids , my favorite , favorite album or it was a CD had a pig on the front . Yeah , sheep go to heaven , goats go to hell , and everybody sing .
Speaker 1And he was , yeah , quite a few songs . He's really good about working the crowd . I like him because he's kind of a dick , but not really , and he is political without being political . Okay , you know , what I'm saying , like getting the message out there about treating people well . But it was pretty good you know his net worth is $7 million . That lead singer .
Speaker 2We should do the show on cake , I suppose . We should , but we're not . No , we're doing it on somebody .
Speaker 1That's why I wanted to bring it up . What Guess who they did a tribute to .
Speaker 2Ozzy Osbourne .
Speaker 1They sang War Pigs oh really , I'm not kidding you , it was really good .
Speaker 2Peep the place . Now I really want to punch in the face . The place went nuts , oh my gosh .
Speaker 1And our topic today is .
The Cake Concert Experience
Speaker 2Ozzy Osbourne . Yeah , I like how you correlated those two Very nice .
Speaker 1I'm sorry for the long intro , so I'm really sad that I didn't go to cake , but next time . Oh wait , and they had a t-shirt gun .
Speaker 2Are you kidding ?
Speaker 1me . I'm dead serious .
Speaker 2Did you get a t-shirt ? No ?
Speaker 1They wanted to shoot hot dogs , but they couldn't because of food laws .
Speaker 2Yeah , people might eat them .
Speaker 1I would eat it . Would you A wiener flying through the sky , who wouldn't Still good ?
Speaker 2Bounce it off the floor Still good .
Speaker 1And they gave away a tree , a tree . They had a nice size tree on the stage . They do this at every concert and if the person could guess what it was from being back , this lady guessed it was a peach tree . No , peaches were on it and she guessed it , so she got this big tree . I don't know how she's going to get it home , but they have to agree to every year to take a picture with themselves with the tree and they post it on their website .
Speaker 1Oh my gosh . But anyway , on to John Michael Osborne , who was born on December 3rd 1948 in Aston , birmingham , England .
Speaker 2All right , I have Marston Green . Whatever . Same thing , same place , that's all we got and he just died recently . He's dead . He's dead . Long live Ozzy . Yeah , he lives on , he'll live on forever . And actually , if you , I'm sure once we talk about some of the shit he did , it's amazing he lived to 76 .
Speaker 1It's really not fair that he lived to 76 .
Speaker 2Not fair to the other people who aren't going to who ?
Speaker 1And take care of themselves and try to . It's a crap shoot . Who may or may not sneak six cookies before bed every night ? I bet you I will die before you Fucking did . Anyway , before bed every night . I bet you I will die before you Fucking did .
Speaker 2Anyway , he had a cool but not always well , certainly not a healthy life , but he did what he wanted to . But I think most of the time he did what he wanted to because of alcohol .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And drugs , yeah , and coke , you know . Yeah , that too , but I think mainly alcohol was his device .
Speaker 1Before you get there , though . Oh yeah , Do you have anything about his childhood ?
Speaker 2Well , his dad's name is Jack he was a toolmaker at General Electric , really and Lillian . His mother , worked at a Lucas factory , which Lucas is an auto and aerospace place in the UK , so they were working class . There's Ozzy , his three older sisters , jean Iris and Jillian hey . Hi and two younger brothers , Paul and Tony Pretty big family then yeah , six kids . They lived in a two-bedroom in Aston UK , Okay .
Speaker 1He had dyslexia .
Speaker 2Yeah , he had a lot of stuff Dropped out of school . He had dyslexia , adhd , autism , parkinson's . I mean not all at once , well , probably all at once , but later , sure , all at once . So early on dyslexia was discovered . And can I just say is there a different way we could spell or call dyslexia Because people who have dyslexia ? How are you going to spell that ? I didn't know how to spell it .
Speaker 1I don't have dyslexia . It's still in front of me and I think I have dyslexia . Looking at it .
Speaker 2It's not an easy word , so hey , let's take that thing that people can't read .
Speaker 1It's kind of making fun of them . It is . Why not call it Ada ? Whatever they want Something . Yeah , he you know . Do you think he took maybe you'll get to it , maybe it's even in my notes , I don't know but do you think he took on that persona to forge an identity that maybe didn't reflect any of those things ?
Speaker 2That's pretty deep , you would think . You know , maybe subconsciously . So I think he did what he could with what he had .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I guess that's saying the same thing . How did he get the nickname Ozzy ?
Speaker 1I don't know . You know , though I do , what is it ?
Speaker 2Well , it's pretty simple . His last name's Osborne , which equates to Oz , and then Ozzy .
Speaker 1That's it , that's it . I know nothing I mean I figured I was hoping there would be something else . I was thinking maybe it would be something crazy , but no . But that's , all right . He had it tattooed on his knuckles or on his hands Just like you have yours . Yeah , he on his knuckles or on his hands .
Speaker 2Well , just like you have yours . Yeah , pow , he worked odd jobs , lots of odd jobs .
Speaker 1He was a slaughterhouse worker . Yeah , that was nasty too .
Speaker 2A car horn tuner . A car horn tuner .
Speaker 1In your construction , that is such a specific job .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , tuning the horns , god damn it . And so do you get home .
Speaker 1I don't know they get tragedy a little nuts , because he also got
Introducing Ozzy Osbourne
Speaker 1involved in some petty crime . He did Burglary , I don't know . He did some other stuff too .
Speaker 2Burglary before he was 18 . He spent three months in prison . You know why ? Because his dad wouldn't pay the fine . Because he didn't want to placate him Exactly . He wanted him to learn a lesson .
Speaker 1You have to fail to succeed . It's true , sometimes it's a little tough out there , kids , it is . It is you got to sack up .
Speaker 2But you know it could have went either way , really yeah . It could have worked against him . True , worked at a slaughterhouse . You know what his job was at the slaughterhouse ? No , to kill cows by shooting them in the head With a gun , what , or that like .
Speaker 1Thing .
Speaker 2I don't know , just shooting them in the head . I keep seeing that video now . That's bad . We brought that up before ?
Speaker 1Have you seen that where they kill the cows ?
Speaker 2with the thing we did the whole cow thing .
Speaker 1Let's not talk about that .
Speaker 2Yeah , let's not talk about that . We bought some buffalo , though . I think we talked about that .
Speaker 1Yeah , from that place in Amish Place or something .
Speaker 2No , it's not Amish , it's in Posen .
Speaker 1Oh , that's what it is .
Speaker 2It's a bison farm .
Speaker 1Are you sure it wasn't an Amish person ?
Speaker 2No , it was not an Amish person . It was a no , okay .
Speaker 1Nope , all right , let's talk about his other stuff Career , maybe .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , okay , what do you want to say about ? So he started . What was his first band ?
Speaker 1Was it Black Sabbath , or was there another one ?
Speaker 2Well , it was Black Sabbath kind of , and I didn't write down their name but it had a different name . But pretty early on they adopted Black Sabbath , Mm-hmm , and then from there and there was . I don't write down the people's names either , although one we know was Randy Rhoades , eventually .
Speaker 1Oh shit , that guy was phenomenal .
Speaker 2He was one of the best guitar players and died in a freak accident of the best guitar players and died in a freak accident . As he was on the bus , the tour bus , he and the pilot , or he and the costumer , a woman went up in the plane , uh with , um , I guess , uh , the tour plane and they were just flying around with this pilot , who later was a drunk , or on drugs or both , so they swooped down to kind of dive bomb on the tour bus and they hit a tree and they crashed and they all died and they actually put like a Memorial or something there .
Speaker 2Well , maybe I can't remember where they were either . I didn't jot that down , man , my research skills .
Speaker 1I didn't know that's how that happened . That's terrible .
Speaker 2It is terrible . And so Randy Rhodes he was like 24 , 25 when he died and that really , really , really affected Ozzy . He went into a depression , and if you're an addictive personality , how do you treat depression ? Drink it away , you drink it , you snort it , you pop it away .
Speaker 1So he did that for many years
Early Career and Black Sabbath
Speaker 1and still lived to be 76 , and still lived to be 76 . And still lived to be 76 . It was , with Black Sabbath , from 68 to 79 , right . And then they had reunions after that .
Speaker 2Yeah , and so he did get kind of thrown out of Black Sabbath at the time because they said he was doing too much alcohol , drugs , coke , and he said , hey , seems to be on par with everybody else , but I think it was affecting him more and he was replaced with Ronnie James Dio From Dio , from Dio . Yeah , he must be a guitar player too , but he sings kind of high .
Speaker 1I don't know .
Speaker 2He's not my taste , but some people love him . Some people love him . And then Ozzy went on to his solo career . One of his tours was I liked this . His dad named it too . It was called Blizzard of Oz . Very nice , good job , jack . I think that's his dad's name .
Speaker 1That was like his debut for his solo career , wasn't it ? Yeah , it had Crazy Train on it , mr Crowley . Other hits he had was Diary of a Madman and is that when Zach Wilde came in ? I think so , dude , that guy can shred too . He can shred . Wow , he's a good shredder . Speaking of shredders , no . And then let's see Ozfest . No talk of business , no , ozfest from 96 to 2018 . Him and Sharon created it and it gave platforms to heavy metal bands like Slipknot , disturbed , system of a Down Love System of a Down .
Speaker 1Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , aerials , that's a good song . Oh , it's a good song Aerials in the sky .
Speaker 2What's the prison song ? I think it's called the Prison Song by them . I love that song . Check it out .
Speaker 1Check it out , check , check . What did the bat incident happen ? I want to get to that .
Speaker 2Well , I wrote it down because everybody knows the bat incident 1982 .
Speaker 1Okay Des Moines .
Speaker 2Iowa . Oh my gosh , you're out . I was there , A bunch
Notorious Incidents: Bats, Doves, Alamo
Speaker 2of executives .
Speaker 1I was there .
Speaker 2A bunch of executives . I was not . Wasn't that the bat , or was that the chicken ? No , that was a dove . Sorry , he did the dove for the record label . The bats he did in front of a crowd , right , and you know , I was at a house party last Friday and I said hey , everybody .
Speaker 1You still go to house parties . And I said hey , everybody , you still go to house parties , I do . Was it like a rave ?
Speaker 2No , oh God , it was a porch party actually . Oh , awesome , yeah , having a few cocktails on the porch , and I kind of informally polled everyone what's your tell me about your memory of Ozzy Osbourne ?
Speaker 1Do you have any shout outs , though , to give ? Are you going to do it as we go ?
Speaker 2I Do you have any shout-outs though , to give ? Are you going to do it as we go ? I can give shout-outs at the end . All right , they're not shout-outs , they're belly hoos .
Speaker 1I forget .
Speaker 2So everybody there said the bats Biting the head off the bat , that's their memory of Ozzy . Hmm , yeah , one person did say talked about reality show .
Speaker 1I'm going to re-watch that . It's on Prime and he also has that one with his kid ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I like that show . I watched that one , and then they also he and Sharon and Jack did the Osbournes Want to Believe ? Sometimes that one's fun to watch too . I remember that they're just sitting watching videos , but they're like paranormal or UFOs . Oh , I do remember that they're just sitting watching videos , but they're like paranormal or UFOs .
Speaker 1Oh , I do remember that , yes .
Speaker 2So that's kind of fun , and then they raid them . But before we get to that , oh , yeah , there's lots . What was I saying ? Oh , okay , the bat incident , yeah , and then you got the dove incident . Yes , and then you got the Dove incident which that was , with the record executives .
Speaker 1Yeah , those pricks . Then he was arrested in 1982 . And other times For pissing .
Speaker 2On the Alamo .
Speaker 1Yeah , why wouldn't you ?
Speaker 2I love the story behind that , though , sharon , which we'll talk about , sharon , in a little bit . Sharon hid his clothes because she's like you , drunk fucker . I'm hiding your clothes , you can't go anywhere .
Speaker 1That's not going to stop him .
Speaker 2He put on her clothes and went for a walk . And at one point he stopped to take a pee and it happened to be on the wall of the Alamo and the cops busted him and he was banned from San Antonio for a decade . So he not only was peeing on the Alamo , Banned for a decade . But he was in drag .
Speaker 1let's say you know , all that did is hurt their economy . You know what I mean . That's right , because he could draw people in there .
Speaker 2Right , he's probably like whatever . And then he and Jack later went back on their show .
Speaker 1Yes , they did .
Speaker 2And he was like I don't want my kid kicked out .
Speaker 1And they didn't Suicide solution Lawsuit 1986 .
Speaker 2I know nothing about that . You do what Tell me Inform me .
Speaker 1Parents blamed him for the death of their son .
Speaker 2The case was dismissed . Yeah , I'm sorry that they lost their son to suicide , but yeah , it's not as he's strangled sharon he did , he did during a blackout yeah , yeah , he did do that , but 1989 she dropped the charges which you , which a lot of wives do , and again , alcohol . He didn't even remember doing it .
Speaker 1No , who doesn't know somebody . This is not excusing the behavior , but it's nasty Alcoholism drug abuse .
Speaker 2It's horrible .
Speaker 1People do shit that it's not even fucking fathomable in real life .
Speaker 2Trust me , I know myself here's another instance when he was drunk in Germany and he got thrown out of the concentration camp because of drunkenness . Who gets thrown out of a concentration camp ? Well , as he has worked .
Speaker 1What was he doing there , drunk ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't know , but he did . He did it . He probably was everywhere drunk . He probably did . George W Bush invited him to the White House and guess what he did ? I don't know . He got drunk , george .
Speaker 1Bush did .
Speaker 2No , as he did , and he screamed wildly at the crowd of 1,800 people Good job . And GWB said this might have been a mistake . You think people , good job , and GWB said this might have been a mistake ? Yeah , I think , george W . George , you know what else he liked to do . I don't even think he was drunk when he was doing this .
Speaker 1Right ATVs . Okay , he was probably drunk yeah and he got in a few accidents 2003, . He got severely injured . What were you going to say ?
Speaker 2I was going to say if you were a guest at his house when you went to sleep he liked to shave your eyebrows off .
Speaker 1Who does that ? That's his husband .
Speaker 2I'm going to do that to my kids , can you ?
Speaker 1imagine Shave their eyebrows off . Right before they go back to school .
Speaker 2No eyebrows .
Speaker 1They'll start a trend . He used to dance in graveyards and howl at tombstones and he once fired a shotgun who hasn't In the studio ,
Sharon's Influence and Relationship
Speaker 1in the studio , at the windows . Oh , okay , blew them out . He told her it was for therapy . Well , did he feel better ? He must have , because then , shortly after that , he snorted a line of ants , with Motley Crue Snorting ants .
Speaker 2Just to see what would happen .
Speaker 1I guess so .
Speaker 2He also accidentally drugged a vicar which is like a priest kind of person .
Speaker 1In the UK you brought that term up before A vicar , a vicar's house or a vicar what's that thing ?
Speaker 2Never mind Vicar .
Speaker 1He painted hotel walls with shark blood .
Speaker 2Oh .
Speaker 1Didn't get that one .
Speaker 2Did you ? I did not , but let me tell you more about this vicar story . Do it Thelma , his first wife , which he has three kids with what ? Yeah , I didn't know that it's true , I think three . So I didn't know that it's true , I think three . Thelma gave a big piece of cake to the vicar when he came to visit which why , as a vicar , are you going to Ozzy Osbourne's ?
Speaker 1Maybe he thought he was going to save him . Well , if it's the Prince of Darkness , what ?
Speaker 2bigger challenge , I guess . Well , here's what happened Thelma gave him a big piece of cake that Ozzy had laced with Afghan hash and she didn't know it , and three days later the vicar finally came out of his coma he wasn't in a coma , but he didn't know what happened . He was quite buzzed up .
Speaker 1Probably the best three days of his life . That would have maybe put Ozzie out for an hour , but that guy got the brunt . That's terrible , funny .
Speaker 2He did believe in . He was very Christian and believed in Jesus Christ Amen . He prayed before performances and he was christened in the Church of England . So it's not like he . Yeah , he had the persona of the Prince of Darkness , but Did he really kill the puppies ? No , or kittens , depending on the story .
Speaker 1I remember my uncle telling me that story at my grandma's one time . I hope not . He's like you know that he wouldn't play until they killed puppies . That makes no sense , because he's an animal lover . That's not true , though .
Speaker 2Yeah , he loves the dogs . I mean , Sharon had the dogs all over .
Speaker 1On that show . He said that he was stoned all the time on the Osbournes .
Speaker 2On the reality show . Yeah , I think so . I love him . He would just sit there in color like a toddler . Can I get a burrito ? Oh God , yeah .
Speaker 1He's on Instagram reels . Everywhere People share stuff .
Speaker 2It's hilarious . And Sharon , who was he , met . She was the secretary for her dad and they were . Her dad ended up becoming his manager and that's how they met . And you know , kudos to Sharon . She stuck by him , but she also kind of knew how to keep him in line , or at least keep him in line enough to— she didn't put up with , you know— . Well , she did put up with a lot of stuff I know .
Speaker 1But she kind of tried to boss him around . She did he needed that Later ?
Speaker 2Yeah , he did . He needed Sharon . In 1972 , at the end of his US tour , he dosed himself with penicillin from sampling all the groupies so he wouldn't go home and give Sharon . That was nice of him . That was nice of him .
Speaker 1You've got to be thoughtful like that .
Speaker 2And I don't know . It said his wife , and I assumed it was Sharon , but maybe it was Thelma then in 72 . The other thing he did , though , was the fear of AIDS in the 80s kept him loyal then to Sharon , so he quit fucking around on her .
Speaker 1You couldn't just be loyal because she's your wife ? Well , no , of course not .
Speaker 2If you're a rock star that's not enough . Yeah
The Osbournes Reality Show Legacy
Speaker 2, you know you're going back to the reality show . So they started that . In what year was that 2002 . 2002 . They started that and that was really the first reality show of its kind . I mean , people have done it over and , over and over again .
Speaker 1Yeah , like a family .
Speaker 2But it really was the first one of its kind . And again , kudos to Sharon , because you know who's selling it , to the networks or to whoever needs to buy it . I mean , it wasn't Ozzy getting out there and marketing the family because they need money , it was Sharon and it was mind blowing .
Speaker 1Like you're like whoa really .
Speaker 2Yeah , it was the real thing too . They didn't . They didn't . No mincing thing too , they didn't .
Speaker 1No mincing words .
Speaker 2No , they didn't candy coat anything . It was the real thing .
Speaker 1I think everybody should broadcast their life .
Speaker 2Isn't that a movie ?
Speaker 1Truman .
Speaker 2Show Truman Ed . Is that a movie ever ?
Speaker 1I don't know . Truman Show , the Truman Show .
Speaker 2Fuck that end makes you cry , Ed no the end , oh , the end of Truman Show , because he , I can't remember . Does he find out what happens ?
Speaker 1It's just sad and beautiful .
Speaker 2He hits that end of the fucking earth . Oh my God , heavy sigh there Continue . All right , let me talk about Ozzy and his reality show . He was taking 25 Vicodin a day when they were doing the show . How ?
Speaker 1can you survive that ? Again he did it , damn it . Why can't we just fucking hurry it up ?
Speaker 2I know like if I put 20 people in a room between us , we have not taken 25 Vicodin Ever All of our lives . I mean , he had some resistance . I haven't read it , but I guess in 2009 he wrote a bio . It's called I Am Ozzy and I guess it's great it's called it was Honest and Humorous . I haven't even heard of that . I didn't either .
Speaker 1I would love it's great it's called . It was honest and humorous . I haven't even heard of that I didn't either .
Speaker 2I would love to read it .
Speaker 1Maybe we should have that in our book club .
Speaker 2In our book club . Yeah , okay , we'll do it . Oh , he's a naturalized US citizen too . That's helpful . Well , it is these days . Mm-hmm , mm he is these days . What else can you tell us about ?
Speaker 1Ozzie Ice would get rid of him .
Speaker 2If he were alive today yeah , he'd be gone Fuck . Ozzie . He'd be gone , even though he's our national treasure and the UK's national treasure .
Speaker 1What else do I have ?
Speaker 2Yeah , what can you tell me about Ozzie that we haven't already said ?
Speaker 1At the time of his departure from this earth , he was worth $220 million , I would have guessed more . The estate was split between Sharon and the children . He's donated a lot to hospitals , Parkinson's research and children's causes . He idolized the Beatles . One of his bucket list things was to meet Mr Paul , and I guess he did . I would hope he did . I'd like to be in that room . You imagine , though , Paul , and I guess he did .
Speaker 2I would hope he did . Yep , I'd like to be in that room . Can you imagine , though , paul and Ozzy .
Speaker 1Somebody would probably . He's looking forward to meeting Paul McCartney , but you can't you think that Paul McCartney's like oh , it's Ozzy , fucking Osbourne .
Speaker 2You know what I mean . I don't think Paul McCartney says that about anybody Really , because he's Paul .
Speaker 1McCartney . What has he done ? Just kidding Paul ? I don't want him not to come on the show .
Speaker 2So I say , wrapping up , ozzy , he's a family man , he really is , who paid for his sins , which Dearly Because he wouldn't have all that shit . Poor health in later years and you know bad investments . I'm sure he wasn't always worth $220 million . He paid for what he did Right and man , he did a lot of dickish things . A lot , sure , A lot Alcohol could do that . But overall I say Harold , yeah .
Speaker 2And not just because he died recently Right , I would have said it before , if you would have . And kudos to Sharon and the rest of his family too for putting up with them for one thing and sticking by him . Yeah .
Speaker 1I think he was a dick , but he had his whole life to turn it around and he did .
Speaker 2He did .
Speaker 1So you can become a hero by conquering your dickishness .
Speaker 2So maybe if he would have died early he could have died a dick ? Yep , I think so . But he redeemed himself . Yep , now he's a hero , he is a hero .
Speaker 1Did you ever get a hold of Greg ?
Speaker 2Oh , no From .
Speaker 1Spectrum , business Spectrum . No , his business card is still there .
Speaker 2I don't want to give him the Ballyhoo
Hero or Dick Verdict
Speaker 2to the League of Women Voters , people who may have tuned in for the first time .
Speaker 1Hey , explain to me , like I'm a five-year-old , what I always do .
Speaker 2I know what is the League of Women Voters , so League of Women Voters helps you decide where , who and why to vote .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2We want everyone to vote . It's nonpartisan . We never pick a candidate , you pick the candidate . We just want you to vote . Okay and that's pretty much it . That's awesome .
Speaker 1So it's educational .
Speaker 2It is educational yeah .
Speaker 1Now , what are they going to do ? Are they going to help fight the trying to get rid of mail-in votes ?
Speaker 2I don't know . That's a very new topic , so I don't know about that .
Speaker 1The only reason I voted the last few elections is because you can do a mail-in .
Speaker 2Exactly , I agree . I think there are so many people who need to do a mail-in vote that , as long as it's legal , official , why not ? Why would you not want people ? Why aren't we all mailing it in ? Post office needs some work .
Speaker 1It's fucking 2025 . Why aren't we using biometrics to log into your fucking computer ?
Speaker 2Why can't you just think it and they read it ? That's coming , that's coming .
Speaker 1All right , what else you got ?
Fast Five: Classic Books
Speaker 2I have some fast fives for you . Okay , and because we went so crazy with Ozzy . Crazy , that's Patsy Cline . I wish we could we have for our fast five . Oh , okay , yeah .
Speaker 1I thought you were going . Patsy Cline , crazy . You know we can't play the music , can we ? We'll get in trouble .
Speaker 2Oh no . You got to pay , pay , pay . But the fast five is classic books . So the first classic book that I want you to tell me is a hero or a dick is To Kill a Mockingbird Hero yeah , of course , I mean , that was kind of a given . Yeah , how about Pride and Prejudice , dick ? I'm not a fan of it . I'm not a fan of it . I'm not a fan . No , I say Dick Elson . How about Great Gatsby ?
Speaker 1It embodies dickishness , but it's heroic ? It sure does , yeah heroic Scott Fitzgerald's a fucking drunk .
Speaker 2He was , and he didn't grow to be old enough to get out of his dickishness . No , so I .
Speaker 1The book was good , though .
Speaker 2Was the book good ?
Speaker 1The movie's good . He's not that good of a writer . Oops , sorry , I'm just kidding .
Speaker 2No , he's fine , he's a good writer , I think that if he F Scott , if he hadn't been , what's the F for ?
Speaker 1Fucking If he hadn't been . What's the F for Fucking , Scott ? If he hadn't been so messed up with drugs or alcohol Well , drugs too , but alcohol I think he would have been an even better writer ?
Speaker 2Maybe not , though . Oh , maybe we would never even have heard of him , that's true , maybe I still say it's a dick . How about 100 Years of Solitude ? Oh , that's a heroic book . You don't like it , yeah .
Speaker 1Years of Solitude .
Speaker 2Oh , that's a heroic book . You don't like it . Yeah , you know what I tried to read it and I couldn't read it . Oh , yeah .
Speaker 1It's kind of wandery yeah .
Speaker 2I mean , I wanted to like it so much too .
Speaker 1It's not very long . No , it's a short book . It's like you're sitting on the back of a butterfly floating around reading it , because it's it floats . It's kind of floaty . The writing to me . I liked it , though I mean I wouldn't take it with me out of my top 20 .
Speaker 2No , but You're not taking it to the desert island , fuck , no .
Speaker 1Not , unless I , no , never mind .
Speaker 2How about the last one , excuse me , 1984 .
Speaker 1Boy , you know that's got to be heroic right . Why Kind of telling of like now right ?
Speaker 2It is , I like it . I say hero .
Speaker 1Georgie , right ? George Orwell , yeah , did you read his short storybook ? Damn it , I can't remember the name of it . It's really , really , really , really good . I'll think of it and talk about it next time . Yeah , talk about it next time . You can talk about it next time . Maybe , if people can remember , they can email us at heroordick2023 at gmailcom .
Speaker 2Yeah , dot com , I'm so impressed that you just rattled that off .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know , I try to work it in . Should we cover our sponsors today ?
Speaker 2Which word ?
Speaker 1Us ? Yeah , what else do we have to leave the folks with Want to talk about Alpena at all ? Are you done talking about Alpena ?
Speaker 2I'm done with Alpena right now . I mean , they're fine , we're fine in Alpena , we're good here , it's rainy today , so whatever .
Speaker 1Nice weather though .
Speaker 2It feels good after the heat and humidity . All right , now we're talking about the weather , so we got to
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