Welcome And Low-Quality Pride

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Now we're on.

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Okay.

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Greetings and salutations.

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For hero or dick.

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Or hero.

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Or hero or a dick.

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It's episode 11. Season.

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No, it's season 11, episode 12.

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Season 4.

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Oh.

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Season 4, Kate.

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Correct. Why do we have 11 written here?

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I don't know, but we're getting noise in the background. It doesn't matter. We've never been a high-quality podcast and never will. We've had people screaming at us, throwing money at us, and we won't take it.

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When did that?

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Well, you know, remember Sirius XM, Amazon Music. You know, we're everywhere though. We are. We're on Spotify, Amazon Music Podcaster, Buzz Sprout.

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Yeah.

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And uh anywhere you want. Whatever you want.

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Apple from us.

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And uh you can email us at herodict2023 at gmail.com or stop by and visit us someday at 119 West Washington Avenue.

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Oh, now you're giving our address. Like, why don't you just give them our phone numbers too? 555.

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Anyway, I'm KJ.

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I'm Kate.

Becoming A Sauna Person

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I'm about five coffees deep into the day.

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So then I'll give you coffee candy, too.

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I'm sweating. And one of the reasons I'm sweating, Kate, is because my core temperature is now permanently at about 200 degrees. Because you have a sauna. I don't if you remember, we talked about this.

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You said you were a non-sauna guy.

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I was a non-sauna guy.

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And now?

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And now I'm one of those sleazy sauna guys.

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No, you're sleazy. Why did you have to be sleazy to be a sauna guy?

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That's kind of weird, doesn't it?

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Uh maybe not. I don't know. People are into it.

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I like it. And I'm hooked.

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I mean, like so you take the sauna, and then what do you do after? Do you I know some people like a cold shower after or a cold plunge? Um I feel like that would make your body just flip out.

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I think what we would doubt what we should have is my son and um my wife, Brooke. Have you met her?

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I have, she's lovely. She uh she's not a sleazy sauna girl.

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No, God, she's a hot mama.

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She's the queen of the sauna.

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She and my son could give um a lesson on saunas. They know a lot about them. Maybe.

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I mean it's just a high box.

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So anyway, uh I get into it. First of all, we gotta turn it on and let it heat up.

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Yeah.

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And it gets to about 165 to 200 degrees.

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Okay.

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And you sit yourself in there. It's a nice cedar, whatever apparatus. And I go 20 minutes. Wow. Yep. Yeah, not too bad. And then you get out, and no matter how hot it is outside, it feels like it's nice and cold. And I guess I actually like it because you obviously don't have your phone or anything in this on it.

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Oh, so it's a break from the real world. Let me just go in this little pot.

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It's just it's just you and the heat.

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I would like it if there wasn't heat.

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And once you get over that first initial time or two when you think you're gonna die in there and you can't breathe, it's pretty good. And then you get out and you sit, just sit on the porch and try to relax.

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I think you need a cold plunge pool.

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All the fucking dickheads with their noisy vehicles, revenue.

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Going down Washington Avenue.

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But anyway, uh, but I get a little centered nice and cooled off, and I go and take a nice cool shower.

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Okay. No, you're sauna guy.

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And you get hooked on it.

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Okay.

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Like you crave it.

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Are you wishing you had a sauna right now? I we are never doing the podcast in a sauna, FYI.

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I can be in the sauna. I'll do it through the door. I'll yell.

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But um I feel like, okay, I I am glad you have the sauna. Thank you. It's not for everybody. I think um the few times I've done it, I feel like a lobing, and I do have uh medicated high blood pressure, and I don't think you're supposed to go on a sauna.

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Well, I think it's okay if you go and you have high blood pressure and you drink in the sauna. I think it's okay. I'm just kidding, everybody. Jesus, maybe we need a disclaimer. Anything we say on this podcast is bullshit.

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It's a lie.

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Um, but anyway, that's enough of the sauna talk, I guess. Oh, good.

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I'm glad you're sauna guy now. Yeah. Something new.

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Well, I need something stress reliever that helps.

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Well, maybe just being in the pod without anything else gives you like that zen moment.

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I talk to myself in there though.

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Do you out loud? Do you not do that at other places?

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I do.

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Yeah.

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But it's weird when you're in the sauna, especially at night when it's dark. There's no light in there.

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And oh, there's not a light in there. Oh my god, it's like going in those um uh I don't know what they're called, but it's like a pool of water and you lay there in the dark.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's freaky.

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The hot spring or something?

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Well, it could be a hot spring, but I'm just thinking there's it's like a tanning bed with no lights on.

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No, no, no.

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Too claustrophobic for me. Maybe that's why I don't like a sauna. It's just too claustrophobic.

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You know

Dolly Parton Grief And Love

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what you do like though.

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What do I like?

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Dolly Parton.

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Fucking hey, I love Dolly. Who doesn't love Dolly?

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Donald Trump.

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I I think even he loves Dolly.

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That's true.

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He made uh flags flew at half mast for a week.

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For who?

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For Dolly.

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Are you kidding me right now?

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I am not kidding you. And a lot of dignitaries didn't get that, you know. Right. Um, I don't think Jimmy Carter got that.

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Jim McCata.

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Come on. Poor Jimmy Carter. And he loved Dolly.

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I like her, yeah.

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Um nobody, she was like the great unifier.

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Yeah.

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There was not a person who didn't like Dolly, although I will say that Bill Maher opened his August 28th monologue show on his show by saying, the world has so much going on, but all people are talking about is Dolly Dolly Dolly. And then, and that wasn't bad enough. Then he made a crude joke about her uh bus line. Well, and now he is dead to me.

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He thinks he's a comedian.

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He does, and he is not.

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The world needed to talk about Dolly instead of all the fucking bullshit that's going on.

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And I think too, because we didn't, we knew she was had some health issues. She was 80 years old, but I mean we didn't see it coming.

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She's a ray of sunlight.

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She was the wrong 80-year-old to strike down. Needed her.

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She should have won another 30.

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The great unifier. Everybody liked her. You know why? Because she liked everybody. Yeah. And you try to find some dirt on her. I look, there's nothing. There's one uh reasoning people didn't like said they didn't like Dolly was she did a duet with Kid Rock. Well, she said, you know what? I like everybody. Yeah. I don't care.

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There's a lot of people that have done duets with Kid Rock, so what?

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Yeah.

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Take them or leave them.

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Yeah, and if that's the worst thing she did.

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Yeah.

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Uh and some people don't think it's the worst.

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Well, and Bill Maher, I mean, I I get sick of him because he thinks he's so cool sitting there smoking weed on his podcast. So smart, man. Fucking grow up, dude.

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So everyone knows the basics about Dolly. You know, Dolly Land, she grew up poor, she worked hard for herself and for people around her. Uh, she's a great philanthropist, she was humble and kind to all people, but I'm gonna tell you some facts you

Dolly Facts You Might Miss

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may not know about Dolly.

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All right.

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Did you know that Dolly's birth doctor was paid with a sack of cornmeal? That's not funny. I'm sorry.

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That's amazing.

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That is. Uh, she has 11 siblings, she's fourth in line.

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No shit.

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Yeah. She uh Dolly helped fund uh Moderna's COVID vaccine in 2020. She donated a million dollars to vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Good one. Although here's the Canadian version. Potine, Poteen. That's our new paper.

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Oh, wait. You don't want to talk about Lake Canada or Lake.

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I don't care to talk about it's always Lake Ontario. It will never be Lake America. That's just stupid. Huh.

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You think like a dummy would have to come up with that idea.

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Yeah. Anyway, back to back to the real good person. Dolly and her husband Carl were married for almost 60 years. 60 years. He passed away in 2025. And Dolly and her bestie, Judy, have been friends for over 64 years. What?

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Have you ever any friends?

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So she's very loyal. For 64 years, not quite that long because I'm not 80 years old. But yeah, I have friends from junior high.

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That you'll still like?

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Yeah. Yeah, we just went away and had craft weekend.

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Oh, that's right. And you got from Lauren.

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Um I brought the craft of um wrapped rocks. So I collected rocks on our beach, and then we wrapped them in copper

Craft Weekend Rock And Fabric Art

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wire and other things. And we had there's glass involved, and and then you hang them up and they can make a rain chain. So you hang them up instead of a gutter, and then the rain goes down.

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Oh, I like that.

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Yeah. I'll give you one. I'll take that. Or I'll give you the make one.

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No, just give me the whole thing.

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Okay.

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Hey, um, sorry, I'm not trying to detract from Dolly. But the rocks on your beach. Yeah, uh, we actually now have a small rock tumbler. Oh, if you have some, yeah. We actually did some, it's pretty nice.

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We we got a couple, yeah. And in fact, a couple of weeks before craft week with Beth and Lori, I was like, shit, I need a craft. What do I have a lot of? I have a lot of rocks. So how can I do that? And I did spray them so they're beautiful because they're they're always prettier when they're in the water and shiny.

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Yeah.

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Uh um, and then uh the other crafts we did were uh Lori brought beads and we and wire and little um terracotta pots, and we made little beaded plants. Oh, yeah, very cute. And then the other one, man, I wish I could think of the name of it, some Japanese name. Um that Bethrot was really fun. It's um you you make a picture out of fabric, but there's no sewing.

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Picture out of fabric, but there's no sewing.

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Yeah, it was magic.

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I like it.

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It was very fun. I'd do the we'll do them both again. So back to Dolly. I bet she liked crafts.

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I bet you she did.

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Uh she had more than a hundred wigs.

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That wasn't real hair. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

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I wonder what her real hair looked like.

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I think it was blonde, wasn't it? I don't know.

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Well, you

Wigs Songs And Dolly Magic

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can see her early on. She doesn't have wigs on. She's a cute lady. Oh, she's super cute.

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Little tiny thing.

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Little tiny tiny thing.

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Little misproportioned.

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Uh yeah.

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But that was her like trademark, right? Well, not that.

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That was. Um yeah.

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She almost seemed not real in a good way.

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Yeah, she's like a magical like a Barbie doll or something.

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Sprite.

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It's a magical spright with her own amusement party. Did you know though that she lost a dolly part and look-alike content?

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Yes. Yep. Well, I heard that she actually went a little overboard with the colour.

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She went overboard with it and thought she was going to win. No, Dolly. No, you can't beat those drag queens. I think it was a drag queen.

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It was.

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And um she liked to communicate by facts.

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Come on.

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Mm-hmm. It was the seasonal.

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I mean, not more. She might be communicating through facts.

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And here's another uh, I don't know if you knew this or not. I learned this this this week. Dolly wrote, I will always love you and Jolene, like in the same 24 to 48 period.

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Impressive.

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That is very impressive. Yes.

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You ever hear Miley Cyrus's Jolene?

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Yeah.

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She kicks it.

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That's her goddaughter.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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You didn't know that? No. You don't do your homework.

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I don't. I told you I didn't.

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I I believed you then and I believe you now. Did you know that Dolly wrote songs for um, well, for Whitney Houston, of course, covered her song that wasn't written specifically. The I Will Always Love You Bodyguard song.

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Yep.

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Uh I've never seen that movie. Have you?

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No. No. Oh, would you?

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There's your homework. No. I don't know. Kevin Costner. Uh, she also wrote songs for Tina Turner. There will always be music, which I don't know that song, but it was one of Tina's first solo ones. So she left uh that guy. Emmy Lou Harris, she wrote uh To Daddy. Not too just T-O. To Daddy. She wrote a song for Wayland Jennings, Waltz Me to Heaven, Miley Cyrus, Rainbow Land. And that's her goddaughter.

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She uh was multi-talented.

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Oh.

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She was an entrepreneur as well.

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Oh, yes. She had, I have some of her merch.

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Yeah. From like, what do you have?

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Well, let's see. I have bought um what do I don't know what I have in my possession. I think I have some, uh I know I have a mug that Cassidy bought me from. She went to Dolly Land and it says, I will always love you. And it's got picture Dolly on it, and then it says, Mom.

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Nice.

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It is a beautiful mug. I used to I use it all the time, especially this week. But um with wine. I have bought uh no with coffee. Coffee, coffee, coffee. Um, I have bought this fabulous. I wish I would have bought them all now. Um, they were cook uh like mug cozy or not mug cozies, but like bottle cozies, you know, you put a beer or a pop in.

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Yeah.

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And they were fringed out. Oh. Brian and Daryl got those for Christmas last year. And Cassidy did also buy me a wonderful shirt at Dollywood that says Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene.

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Yeah.

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She she's got a lot of merch, so there's, you know, uh platters, there's plates, there's a did she have her own perfumer stuff too?

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Probably.

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I hope so. Yeah, I hope so. She was I'm sure if you go to Dollywood, you can get some merch.

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What are they gonna do? Just keep that going.

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I hope so.

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Does she have children?

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No, never had any children. Beloved aunt to a lot of people. And she had a lot of uh she watched over everybody, she didn't have time for children, I guess. And sometimes that is what you have to give up as a as a working female, especially in the 60s when she started and the 70s. You know, if you're on the road all the time, and I I believe she had a happy marriage, she just didn't have kids.

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Imagine the um stuff she ran into being a little blonde, pretty female in a male dialogue.

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You know, her and Porter Wagner were partners, and she was on his show, and when she wanted to leave, he was like, No, and she said, I gotta go. And she wrote that song.

Dolly Quotes And What Matters

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And he did help her and he got her a start, but then he wanted to, you know, put it her under his thumb. And she's like, I I gotta move on. Yeah, and she did.

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She really did. I saw nine to five. Oh, I love that movie in the back of a old station where my parents took us to the drive or the drive-in back in the day. God damn, I finally remember that. Working nine to five.

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Would a way to make a living.

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I liked it.

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I like that show a lot. Um, she was also in Steel Magnolias. Oh, she was, yeah. And what else? Oh, there was a couple other ones.

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Terminator. No, she wasn't. She should have been.

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Mm-hmm. She should have been. I you know, I don't have a list of the movies that she did. That's all right. But I can tell you um some songs that she covered that belong to other people, which is kind of interesting. Because we all know the Dolly songs. But she covered Jackie Wilson, Your Love Keeps Lifting Me Higher.

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Yep.

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She covered The Temptations, My Girl, but changed it to My Love. Oh. Very clever. Uh, Boulder to Birmingham was the Emmy Lou Harris song. Uh, You'll Always Be Special to Me, Merle Haggard song. And then on a rock star album, her 49th album, which was just a couple years ago, she covered Heart, Queen, Beatles, Miley Cyrus, Wrecking Ball, Four Non Blondes, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin. Yeah, she covered uh uh it all.

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That's awesome.

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She did uh Elvis song in the ghetto. Oh yeah. Um, The Story by Brandy Carlisle, uh Bon Jovi, Lay Your Hands on Me, Walking on Sunshine by Katrina and the Waves. No kidding.

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We should uh we should have bought that album and played it. Oh wait, we can't.

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We should have. You have well, we have a phone. I don't have a phone. Uh the other interesting one I heard on the Dolly Tribute uh uh channel on Sirius, which only lasted a fucking week. Come on, and then it goes back to Billy Joel.

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Oh he's the piano man. Is he still alive? Not in my world. Oh boy.

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But she covered uh Time for Me to Fly by Ario Speedwagon. Nice, it was weird too. It was country, it was it was the weirdest one, but it's like you know, and you think that song is kind of familiar, and then it's like, oh shit, that's what it is.

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Messes with your brain.

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Yeah, it was kind of cool though. And here's um uh she did do a duet with Kid Rack too. I don't know what it was. Um the only other bad thing, and it wasn't really bad. She had um a dining um place that's like a dinner and a show. And they called it the Dixie Stampede.

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She did?

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Well, in 2018, everybody took Dixie out of the world. Oh and so she did change it to Dolly Parton's Stampede or whatcha, the Dolly Pede. So is that really bad? No, it was just timely. So here's some uh do you have any other things you want to say about Dolly?

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I don't have any notes on Dolly.

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Oh, okay.

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I obviously You carry the show always, and I count on that.

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Uh well here's some uh just uh uh a top five Dolly quotes because she had a lot of good things to say. This one I actually have in a sticker that Cassidy bought me.

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All right.

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Apparently she likes to buy Dolly stuff and give it to me. I am down with that.

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Cassidy's a gift giver. I like that.

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She is, she's a good gift giver too. Both of my kids are.

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They get it from you?

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No, I think they get it from the grandma. My mom was the best gift giver.

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Oh, okay.

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So I'm glad it's in the family. I'm glad it is. I always look forward to gifts from them. But um, this dolly quote says it costs a lot of money to look this cheap.

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I've heard her say that.

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Um, another quote she had was a rhinestone shines just as good as a diamond. Um, this one's pretty deep. You ready? Storms make trees take deeper roots.

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Oh, that's a real good one.

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That is a good one.

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Son of a bitch, that's good.

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I was looking at my notes though when I wrote take deeper routes.

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Yeah.

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Whatever.

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Same thing.

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Um, here's uh find out who you are and do it on purpose. All right. And then I liked this one. I am not offended by dumb blonde jokes because uh I know that I'm not dumb and I'm not a blonde either.

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That's true.

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And the bonus quote is I just love everyone.

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She kind of did.

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She did. So no judging. She loved everyone, she didn't care what color, religion.

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She lived in positivity. Yes, supposedly, that we know.

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And I think she lived a good life, and and we will miss her very much. Yep. R.I.P. Dolly.

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I wish we had some outro song for that. We don't know. I know. But now we're gonna Well, here's the here's the

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segue.

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Okay, we had a segue.

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Dolly was nice. Anthony Bourdain was kind of an asshole.

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Yes, our true topic today before Dolly died and took over our world, um, which she was kind of taking over our world anyway. But um, but our our other topic is Anthony Bourdain, who doesn't love everybody. No, no, he doesn't, but he did, he wrote 13 books.

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Yes, good job. There's a lot of people that write books.

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I I hear that. I think you're one.

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I am.

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What what's the scoop on that lately?

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Me?

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Yeah. Um doesn't something get published this month?

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It was supposed to.

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This is September.

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It's getting published.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

I don't know what's going on. Uh-oh. I think maybe they're pushing their publication date out. But that's the MacGuffin. It's still coming out. A story named Kill Deer. And then because I'm patting myself on the back, which I hate doing. But that's there's a poem coming out in this poetry magazine called JMWW, which I forget what that stands for.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

JMWW.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Um, but this it the poem's called Inheritance.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

And I have something else too. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yeah, you had three things happening.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

One more comment too.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Well, think about that and just throw it in when when you what is it?

SPEAKER_02 21:48

I don't remember. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

It was another short story, I thought.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

It probably is. One thing though, his stuff actually got published and read by real people.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I've read it.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

So it was interesting.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

The the couple of books I read.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Kitchen Confidentials what launched them. But he was born June 25th, 1956 in New York City.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

He was raised in New Jersey. And he came from a bit of a wealthy, affluent family.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Yeah, I mean, they weren't hurting for anything. No. His father was a music executive for Columbia.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Mom was an editor at the moment.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

So yeah, they they did okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Um one of the things that I no, I'm not going off my notes really, but noticed is that he came from a decent upbringing and really had no reason to bitch. And so it from what I gathered, it's almost as if he put himself in difficult situations on purpose to try to live the rougher life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Yeah. And and what I had, I'm I'm looking at my notes. I've got notes, but I'm not looking at them. He was from a stable middle class suburbia atmosphere.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Sometimes that's the worst thing can happen to you.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

He was still rebellious and angry outsider. And okay, I guess. Yeah. Um, you know, that's what he was. He was uh he had a lifelong love for the underground culture.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

He did, yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Music rock and punk music and comic books.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

He wanted to be a comic book illustrator, he could be a comic book character.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

I knitted a doll of him once.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Well, I'll edit that part out. I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

It's the truth.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

How big was the doll cake?

SPEAKER_00 23:34

It was it was not life-size, it was just like a Barbie doll. Cassidy was going to see him and have her book signed, so I made this doll, and I'm like, oh, it'd be kind of cool if you could sign it, you know. But it turned out so nondescript that it didn't, it looked like just a dude, you know. It didn't, yeah, he doesn't have any, you know.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

You didn't know it was him.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Well, I couldn't make it really tall because it was a doll.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

So you couldn't, I mean, it could have been any dude on the street, right? Yeah. Although his arms, if I remember right, were flinging upwards. Like he was always under Did he take it? I don't think she took it because it was so nondescript. We're like, here's a dolly view. You're like, it's not really me.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Yeah. Who knows? He may have liked it.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

He might have. We'll never know.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

No, I got a feeling he would not.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Probably not. He probably wouldn't include it. Dolly would have I should totally knit a dolly doll. I saw somebody made some stained glass of a dolly. Gorgeous. I'm gonna knit a dolly doll. Okay, stay tuned.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

Um, he started working in pigeons immediately, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Well, he didn't have a job, he was kind of a lazy fuck. And his I think his roommate or somebody, one of his friends, is like, yeah, good job. And here's a job as a dishwasher.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Yeah. He worked his way up though.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

He did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

But he never was like a premier Michelin star chef. No, he was a good cook.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

He was a good cook.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

But what got him was his ability to write, communicate, very personable. Um, but he was an asshole. And like he owned that though later on.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

So, yes, yes. And so when you look at uh later on on his TV shows, when he did, you know, uh what's the one, Anthony Bourdain, where he's traveling around.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

And the one on CNN.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Yeah, it's a great parts unknown, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:25

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

I love when he would get drunk and then at 2 a.m. they'd go to the yeah, go to wherever and get food. This is delicious.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

It's like probably not, but everything's good when you're wasted.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Yeah, he got to start as a dishwasher at the lobster pot. Yeah, his friend slash roommate got him the job. Um yeah, and I didn't know, I didn't recall this either. There was uh early on after Kitchen Confidential, which I'm not sure how long into his career that was, you know, as a bad boy chef, he there was a TV show based on Kitchen Confidential. It only lasted a year, but it launched Bradley Cooper's career because he played him. So you're welcome, Bradley Cooper.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

Yeah, no shit. He um, well, there was a cook's tour he did.

Travel TV And Sharing Meals

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Okay, and then he did no reservations. Oh yeah, then he did the layover.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Oh, I love that one too.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

And then parts unknown.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

And he, you know, there was also in childhood they did a vacation to France, and that helped fuel his food love. Interesting food love.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Oh, and then cool, I mean, to the traveling thing. What was cool about Parts Unknown was that um the food thing was like a side thing. It it was just being able to see other people like regular moms and dads and people in countries that are just like us, take politics out of it, just sitting down, breaking bread, having a meal, and learning about those people.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Yes, and if you can share a meal with people, everybody can do that.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Yeah, almost everybody.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Well, everybody should do that.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

There was one person he wouldn't eat with and hated. Who was that? You know who it is. I can't say his name anymore. I already said it once. Okay. Um, what else do you have?

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Um, one of the most disgusting

Food Snobbery Brunch Hate And Diners

SPEAKER_00 27:20

things he said he ever ate was a chicken nugget.

unknown 27:23

Come on.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Chicken McNugget. They're so good. They are really good. He wouldn't eat cats or dogs, airplane food, or brunch.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

He was arrogant.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

You know why he wouldn't eat brunch?

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Because it was an interview with his hot hangover or what?

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Uh because brunch is a dumping ground for Friday and Saturday night leftovers. Don't tell me that. Well, I'm not going for Sunday brunch anymore. You know where we went for the first time? I was at Chee Cheese this week.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Oh, I love Chi Cheese. You know that I talk about all the time. What'd you have?

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Well, uh, what did I have? They're sweet potato tater tots, which are tiny and they're literally like baby tater tots, and they are so delicious that I can't even remember what I had with them.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

Did you get the coconut pie?

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Oh, I know. I know they didn't have that carrot cake.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Uh yeah, it was delicious.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Did I tell you the last time we were there, I ordered a burger, the jalapeno burger, something like that. Whatever. And Brooke had something with jalapenos. They obviously, you know, the chef or the cook was like, hey, or was the owner? I don't know. Somebody, the waitress came out and said, Hey, the owner, the chef wants you to try this. It was some uh jalapeno mac and cheese that they had. They gave us two nice samples to try. It was decent. Because they knew you liked jalapenos. It was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

You know what I did have, I remember, um, because uh we walked in there and a friend of mine was in there and he said, Oh, I come here all the time. You gotta get the it's the BLT with cheese. Because they have a part of their mental cheese at G Cheese, it's all grilled cheese.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Brooks working her way through it.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Oh, is she well the last one? Well, the last one is the BLT cheese.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

Well, she's not doing it in order.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Super delicious, super delicious. Ah, they got good food. Okay, deviated. Wait, I went to cheese. Anthony Bourdain should have gone to G Cheese. Parker House. Oh yeah, I went there this week too. What? I was there Did I see you there? No, we sat outside. It was delicious.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

I got a veggie omelet, which I'm I eat meat. I did have some uh bacon. Oh the veggie next side of bacon. I did, but I love a veggie omelet, and their vegetables were so fresh and so crazy. Their staff is so delicious. Nice. The staff looks wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Go, Eric. Yeah, and somebody else's did that too, didn't they?

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Yeah, it looks great in there. I loved it.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Um fresh air walking in there.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Yes, it was really.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

There were two guys though sitting behind us, off to the side. And it was weird listening to them talk. I like doing that, listening to them.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Well, you're oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

What did they at one point? Yeah, I think so. Well, not that morning, because the one guy says to the other guy, don't pick up your fork and eat yet. You do not eat until I eat.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Whoa. Well, we know who the alpha dog is in that relationship.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

That's fucking weird, man. Who says that to somebody? Oh, that's rude. That's weird.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

That's domineering weird.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

But anyway, speaking of weird. Okay, we'll stop that. Let's talk about your good buddy. Now you met Anthony, if I remember right.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

Cassidy is mad him because Cassidy does everything.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Yeah, she does.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

She went and listened to him speak about uh, so I guess it was kitchen confidential days. I'm not even sure. I think he was in Ann Arbor when she lived there. And she

Me Too Growth And Kitchen Culture

SPEAKER_00 30:50

did go and listen to him and he and then had him sign a book.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

He was a huge proponent, proponent of the Me Too movement.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Proponent or opponent?

SPEAKER_02 31:01

No, the Me Too movement. He was for it. He wanted women to come out and talk of guns.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Oh, I bet there's a lot in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

And that's where he like he actually embraced that masculinity and all that bullshit stuff that you know used to be in the kitchens, especially and in life in general. And um he actually realized I was part of the problem. And so that was pretty cool that he admitted it.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Yeah, I think as the older he got, the more he realized. Also, he had a daughter by that point, too, um, who was very young when he died. But he he did have a daughter who, you know, it's like that that could happen to my daughter. Yeah, and I think when people think of it as a personal level like that, it then you know how wrong it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Growth, right? Personal growth.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

For some people. Not everybody, Kate.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

No, no, no, not everybody.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

Um, he took stabs at a lot of celebrity chefs. He was a snob. He thought that um Emerald was a dum-dum. Really did not like Rachel Ray, Guy Fierry, Paula Dean. He did not like uh himself. Um he's had three wives. He was married for 20 years to the first one, correct?

SPEAKER_00 32:13

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 32:13

Yeah, or maybe two wives. I didn't know he married his high school sweetheart. Oh I thought that was nice, and then things hit the fan. He was a drug addict, including heroin.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

That's true. Yeah, that can that can be a problem in a marriage.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

And he said he cleaned up, but then obviously he still drank pretty heavily.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

He did, and then he wasn't drinking.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Yeah, drinking was so much fun.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

It is really fun, especially if you're traveling the world, you know. Um, and I think later, like, I don't know, we'd have to look it up. Maybe he was still drinking because I know he was drinking sake one time and something else. But I mean, they were him and the I can't think of the guy from Russia, his buddy from Russia. They were just hammered on the show. They were hammered.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

See, if I was like that again, because I don't drink, but if I was that again, I'd need like a caretaker with me all the time.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

Well, I think the caretaker was the I can't think of the guy's name.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

But he was with him more than once. He was, yeah, he was his handler, and it's like, uh oh.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

A handler, that's what we need. Yeah, we need one of those in here.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

I don't need a handler.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

You do sometimes. You get a little out of control.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

I'm giving you the eye.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

I know.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

He did grow more empathetic through his global travels, too, and later did enforce his no-asshole rules for production crews and the rest of the line staff. And he had a loyalty to underappreciated workers, um, because he was one at one time. Yep. And I think you know, later in life he was more generous with that, but he did openly battle depression, isolation, substance abuse. He himself said he could be a jerk, especially during his younger uh years, um, and in early writing days. Arrogant, selfish, difficult. Those are all his own words.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

And I think because of low self-confidence. And um, yeah, he was a Boy Scout too. Random fact there.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

He uh he wasn't a happy guy.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

No, he battled depression, so you know that's that's a tough one, and I I'm assuming that it that's why he killed himself, but who knows? He was young, he was only 61, he had a young daughter, was only 11 or 12. You know, it's I I understand that people are you know not in their right mind, but I also think, you know, you're already 61, you only got 20 good years anyway.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

That's when Hemingway Hemingway did it in six at 61.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

And then I don't know, if you have cancer or something, okay, you know, you want to uh uh kill yourself before you're in the pain, which some say Hemingway did. We should do a show on Hemingway. Very I can't decide whether I love or hate me too. Because he could be a real asshole.

SPEAKER_02 35:09

Oh my god, talk about an arrogant.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

I'm really an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

But man, he you can tell by his writing, though, he actually wasn't a bad person, I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Well, if you're not a bad person, you don't act like a dick.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

I don't know. I don't know. That's the case here. Yes, that's the hard part with broken Bourdain.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

Out of all of his well, I also want to say that there is a new movie coming out, uh, which it already came out. I don't know if it's here or not. It's called Tony and um Dominique Sessa as a 19-year-old, Anthony Bourdain, and Antonio Banderas as his mentor. It's it takes place in 1975, his formative summer. And I think it'll be a great movie because Antonio Banderas is in it.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Man, he's a good-looking man.

Darkness Depression And Complicated Legacy

SPEAKER_00 36:00

He damn straight is um yes, Asia Argento was his last um romantic relationship.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Oh, and she was one of the first women that came out against Harvey Weinstein. Oh, and so he was one of her fiercest defenders um and it made him look really admirable, but then something came out after Bourdain died, and it was actually that that lady was had sexually assaulted Jimmy Bennett. Who's Jimmy Bennett? He was a 17-year-old and she was 37 at the time. Um there was a $380,000 settlement that apparently Bourdain made the payment to to keep the guy quiet. Oh that came out afterwards. So, but I mean he was trying to protect his whatever, but here he's Mr. Me Too.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Was that the mom of his child? No.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Oh no, he met this lady on a set, she was from Italy. Um, yeah, and that was a pretty dark time for him.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

And that was you know, everybody's got a skeleton or two or three or more in their closet.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

And that was when he committed suicide, though, around when his relationship with her. Yeah. So not saying that was the reason.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

So he was troubled. I would say, you know, for most of his life he was a dick. Um, but he did produce some interesting stuff for sure.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

It was a great to watch and listen to.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

And when you see him, I mean, I hate to say it, you're like, man, he's kind of a cool fucking guy. Doesn't give a shit.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

But maybe that's maybe that's what a dick is.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

But he did he had that nice dinner with Obama. That was pretty cool. That was like a famous one in 2018. The hot dogs they were in uh Tokyo or no, where with Vietnam or something like that. I don't know. They just had a beer and whatever, sitting on these little teeny stools.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

Didn't the didn't he have a hot dog with Obama? Is that who had a hot dog with Obama? And they're like, Do you want ketchup on it?

SPEAKER_02 38:03

I know I don't know, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

And Barry says, What are you in fourth grade? But I don't know if that's Anthony Bournemouth. So anyway, uh yeah, cool guy, but yeah, I am sorry, Anthony. You're kind of a dick.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

He's cool, but I bet you treat you like poop. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Like well, in later years he said, No assholes, I'm done with that. You know, we're not doing that. So maybe he finally evolved out of his dickishness, like the Grinch. But then, but then he killed himself, so we don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

We don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Sad story.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Yeah. Do you want to know his top? So what do you say? Hero or dick?

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Dick.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Okay. I think we're in agreement down there. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

But Dick.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Cool, tall, good looking.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

I just don't see the hero anything heroic.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

Yeah. Here's his top five foods.

Favorite Foods Final Goodbyes

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Oh boy, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be able to pronounce it. Just make it up. Cazio Pepe.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Oh, we've had that at Chi Cheese.

unknown 39:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

You lie. Classic pasta, cheese and pepper, uh, pepper, cini, romano, and black pepper. Just a very simple meal. He said that's the best. Uh how about uh bunbo? Hu. Hu from Vietnam. Oh, okay. The greatest soup. That's what noodles and beef and pork, lemongrass, chili oil. I think it's knuckles.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

Did you say knuckles?

SPEAKER_00 39:31

I did. Which I I don't like to eat knuckles. So yeah. How about uh number three on his top five was Roasted Bone Marrow on toast? He said it's butter from the gods. He had it uh in uh London, and uh morta della sandwich in Sao Paulo, Brazil, which was pork cold cuts. He said that was a guilty pleasure street food. Um, and the last one is oh boy, Lira a la Royal in Lion, France. A complex classic. So it's whole wild hair braised in rich red wine and blood sauce. It's a little too gamey for me.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

A different palette. He does a ha like a sophisticated palette, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Uh it's a kind of a dickish palette in the dickish palette.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

You know, it in my drinking days.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

You would have ate it?

SPEAKER_02 40:35

No, I would have hung out hanging out with him. Well, I was totally hanging out with him. I mean, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 40:39

If he was around today, I would still hang out with him, even who's a dick to me because he's cool.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

I forgot to mention my favorite uh Dolly Barton song, so I'm just gonna say it now. Mule Skinner Blues. Listen to her version of the Mule Skinner Blues, and you will never go back.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Really?

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

All right, I'm gonna have to listen to it. What else do we have to share with our three or four listeners?

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Well, you know what else I want to share is that we also lost Tim Curry. Oh man, I love Tim Curry. I love him and um I watched the movie Clue the other night. He was fabulous in it, and of course the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Oh, so it was a really rough week for drag queens losing Dolly and Tim because you know that's those are popular drag queen.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Hey, it was rough for the straight guys too. I miss them.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

So I do uh I love Tim Curry. I just read his book too. Read his book, I saw it.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Very good. It was 50% off at Barnes and Noble. Really? You should have bought.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Was it was he already dead?

SPEAKER_02 41:44

Yeah. Oh it was like three days ago, four days ago.

SPEAKER_00 41:47

Oh, so yeah. It was a great book. I think I got it on the library of all places.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

You know, I like Barnes and Noble.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

I do, I know it's a big corpus. Oh, I know you're not supposed to, but it's nice. They have a beautiful magazine selection. They got the coffee shop there, the bathrooms are pretty nice. Don't take a book in there, though.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Yeah, like George at Seinfeld.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

George on Seinfeld. Remember that?

SPEAKER_02 42:08

He took the book in there and had to buy it.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Yeah, he's mad about it too. I love that show. He's always mad. All right, so we're deviating. So rest in peace, Dolly and Tim.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

See you, Tim.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

And Anthony Bourdain. Everybody's dead.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

Fucking hey, Kate. It's coming for all of us. There's no getting around it.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

Death and taxes, man. Death in taxes.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

Well, on that, on that note.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Yeah, happy Noah. Thanks, everybody. See you next time. Bye. Bye.